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Dec 25, 2020 00:20:42   #
SSDD
 
dtucker300 wrote:
You live in the contiguous U.S. to be more precise than the continental U.S.
Do you use your own computer or a smartphone when going on OPP? Either way, you don't remain mysterious, anonymous, or obscure.


Oh, I know all about the "revelations" that our digital lives reveal about us, I am just fairly confident that Trumplicans aren't capable of figuring it out, if they were, why would they support Trump?

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Dec 25, 2020 00:27:21   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
SSDD wrote:
Oh, I know all about the "revelations" that our digital lives reveal about us, I am just fairly confident that Trumplicans aren't capable of figuring it out, if they were, why would they support Trump?


Yeah, and the technocrats are the ones supporting Bribem and globalism. Interestingly, It was Facebook who surreptitiously helped get Trump elected in 2016. Perhaps that is why they feel the need to censor Trump.

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Dec 25, 2020 00:54:53   #
SSDD
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Definitely petulant!


You may want to look into the word petulant some.

" (of a person or their manner) childishly sulky or bad-tempered:
"he was moody and petulant" "

Oxford Dictionary (behind a pay wall so no link provided)

I do not show ill temperament, at least most of the time and I am fairly sure the very unpatriotic "pat riot" has NEVER caused me to become "bad tempered", not even once so... And I am not one to "sulk" either.


" 1. : insolent or rude in speech or behavior
2 : characterized by temporary or capricious ill humor : PEEVISH "

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/petulant

#2, since I rarely if EVER succumb to "ill humor" and can't recall if I have or not here on OPP, but do KNOW for a fact that not EVER with pat riot, does not apply AT ALL. #1 would apply to nearly EVERYONE here on OPP so since that definition is far too loose in context, it loses meaning.


" 1. moved to or showing sudden, impatient irritation, especially over some trifling annoyance:
a petulant toss of the head. "

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/petulant

Again, this definition fails on temperament.


" disapproving "

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/petulant

If the definition of petulant is nothing more than "disapproving" there would be absolutely no need for another word being created to mean EXACTLY the same thing as another with NO discernible difference in meaning or context. This definition lacks ANY context whatsoever so it fails entirely. If this is how we define petulant, EVERYONE would be petulant unless they agreed and approved of EVERYTHING.


" 1
adj easily irritated or annoyed "

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/petulant

Again, fails on temperament.


" Someone who is petulant is unreasonably angry and upset in a childish way. "

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/petulant

Again, fails on temperament.



It seems the ONLY way to make "petulant" fit me is to so loosely define petulant that it fits EVERYONE here on OPP as well as elsewhere. To do so makes you just as "petulant" as I would be. In that case, I would have to say, enjoy being petulant then.

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Dec 25, 2020 01:06:42   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
SSDD wrote:
You may want to look into the word petulant some.

" (of a person or their manner) childishly sulky or bad-tempered:
"he was moody and petulant" "

Oxford Dictionary (behind a pay wall so no link provided)

I do not show ill temperament, at least most of the time and I am fairly sure the very unpatriotic "pat riot" has NEVER caused me to become "bad tempered", not even once so... And I am not one to "sulk" either.


" 1. : insolent or rude in speech or behavior
2 : characterized by temporary or capricious ill humor : PEEVISH "

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/petulant

#2, since I rarely if EVER succumb to "ill humor" and can't recall if I have or not here on OPP, but do KNOW for a fact that not EVER with pat riot, does not apply AT ALL. #1 would apply to nearly EVERYONE here on OPP so since that definition is far too loose in context, it loses meaning.


" 1. moved to or showing sudden, impatient irritation, especially over some trifling annoyance:
a petulant toss of the head. "

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/petulant

Again, this definition fails on temperament.


" disapproving "

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/petulant

If the definition of petulant is nothing more than "disapproving" there would be absolutely no need for another word being created to mean EXACTLY the same thing as another with NO discernible difference in meaning or context. This definition lacks ANY context whatsoever so it fails entirely. If this is how we define petulant, EVERYONE would be petulant unless they agreed and approved of EVERYTHING.


" 1
adj easily irritated or annoyed "

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/petulant

Again, fails on temperament.


" Someone who is petulant is unreasonably angry and upset in a childish way. "

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/petulant

Again, fails on temperament.



It seems the ONLY way to make "petulant" fit me is to so loosely define petulant that it fits EVERYONE here on OPP as well as elsewhere. To do so makes you just as "petulant" as I would be. In that case, I would have to say, enjoy being petulant then.
You may want to look into the word petulant some. ... (show quote)


Okay, so you are adamantly not petulant.

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Dec 25, 2020 21:22:30   #
SSDD
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Okay, so you are adamantly not petulant.


Opinionated, strong willed and quite an AH, just not petulant. See, I can honestly evaluate myself, I know I have my flaws, I can see my flaws, I just don't care enough to modify them. I am typically a nice guy, I just prefer truth, facts and reality to all of this B.S. we have been seeing these last four+ years. I was actually hoping that the Republican party would have put up someone other than Trump so that we would have a choice of who to vote for based on the issues and not be stuck voting for anybody but... With "anybody but..." we are restricted to "whoever is in the only viable OTHER party" which this time around was... Of course between all the B.S. these last four years compounded by the fact the Republicans refused to hold primaries this election cycle, I may not vote for any Republicans for quite some time, may have to consider some of the lesser viable parties if I can't stomach the Democrat.

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Dec 26, 2020 10:56:48   #
Pat Riot
 
SSDD wrote:
You may want to look into the word petulant some.

" (of a person or their manner) childishly sulky or bad-tempered:
"he was moody and petulant" "

Oxford Dictionary (behind a pay wall so no link provided)

I do not show ill temperament, at least most of the time and I am fairly sure the very unpatriotic "pat riot" has NEVER caused me to become "bad tempered", not even once so... And I am not one to "sulk" either.


" 1. : insolent or rude in speech or behavior
2 : characterized by temporary or capricious ill humor : PEEVISH "

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/petulant

#2, since I rarely if EVER succumb to "ill humor" and can't recall if I have or not here on OPP, but do KNOW for a fact that not EVER with pat riot, does not apply AT ALL. #1 would apply to nearly EVERYONE here on OPP so since that definition is far too loose in context, it loses meaning.


" 1. moved to or showing sudden, impatient irritation, especially over some trifling annoyance:
a petulant toss of the head. "

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/petulant

Again, this definition fails on temperament.


" disapproving "

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/petulant

If the definition of petulant is nothing more than "disapproving" there would be absolutely no need for another word being created to mean EXACTLY the same thing as another with NO discernible difference in meaning or context. This definition lacks ANY context whatsoever so it fails entirely. If this is how we define petulant, EVERYONE would be petulant unless they agreed and approved of EVERYTHING.


" 1
adj easily irritated or annoyed "

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/petulant

Again, fails on temperament.


" Someone who is petulant is unreasonably angry and upset in a childish way. "

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/petulant

Again, fails on temperament.



It seems the ONLY way to make "petulant" fit me is to so loosely define petulant that it fits EVERYONE here on OPP as well as elsewhere. To do so makes you just as "petulant" as I would be. In that case, I would have to say, enjoy being petulant then.
You may want to look into the word petulant some. ... (show quote)


Don't forget: peevish; perverse, obstinate. And nice try projecting your character flaws onto the sane people here.

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Dec 26, 2020 11:09:17   #
Pat Riot
 
OM gosh, dtucker! How can you bear the continuous dronings of a case study in classic narcissism. SSDS just prattles on & on & on about... himself!

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Dec 26, 2020 14:09:14   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Pat Riot wrote:
OM gosh, dtucker! How can you bear the continuous dronings of a case study in classic narcissism. SSDS just prattles on & on & on about... himself!


Mostly, I just don't pay any mind to it. It's all more of the same from them. Their tune never changes.

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Dec 26, 2020 15:30:58   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
permafrost wrote:
Curtesy of Slatten49...


So far, there isn’t one.

Which is strange, because the amount of evidence generated by fraud large enough to change an election, would be massive. There would be thousands of people involved in this conspiracy in order to make it happen.

And I’m not talking about the evidence that Trump and his people have come up with. I mean large amounts of smoking gun, red-handed, obvious instances of voter fraud.

And there would be a lot of it to find.

So, there are a lot of different allegations of fraud, but I’ll go with the big ones here. Algorithms changing votes, dead people/ineligible people voting, and ballots being brought into voting stations to be counted late at night.

Dead/ineligible people voting.

So I’ve already covered why dead/ineligible voters would require thousands of conspirators in my answer below:

John Blackstock's answer to Is the ‘election fraud’ Trump claims won Joe Biden the 2020 election even logistically possible?

The gist is, that in order to use dead people’s names to vote, you’d have thousands of conspirators across polling locations, board of elections, and even the DMV, all complicit on the fraud without saying a word.

If this were the case, it’s almost inevitable some of them would have gotten caught. Voter rolls are purged regularly, and if you try to vote using a dead person’s name that’s been removed from the rolls, you bet your ass that you’d be caught. From there the house of cards would fall, and the resulting investigation by the authorities would uncover either the whole conspiracy, or at least a large chunk of it.

Would some people be able to successfully gain a vote via a dead person’s name? Probably. Would thousands of them do it without a single person getting caught? No way.

Machines changing votes.

Chris Kreb’s the former Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency in the United States. He’s a lifelong Republican, and was appointed by Trump to this position, specifically to ensure the integrity of our elections.

Well, before he was fired for reporting that there’s no evidence of any voter fraud, his main project as director when it came to elections was to ensure that a vast majority (95%) of voting machines in the United States have some sort of paper backup.

This makes it extremely easy to verify if there’s some sort of algorithm improperly counting votes.

The main target of these conspiracy theories is a company called Dominion Voting Systems. It was one of the main voting machine systems used in the state for this most recent election. In order to audit the process, Georgia conducted a hand recount.

And lo and behold! The recount tally matched almost exactly the original count. The main difference was a batch of ballots that were mistakenly not counted in a Republican county that narrowed Biden’s win slightly. This had nothing to do with the voting machines.

Huge batches of ballots coming in the dead of night.

This is by far the easiest to debunk.

Polling locations keep a record of how many people check in to vote, and then compare it to the amount of votes cast. For in person votes, you’re checked in to ensure that you’re an eligible voter, and then you anonymously fill out your ballot and then turn it in.

For mail ballots, the envelope is checked to verify that it’s coming from an eligible voter, and then is separated before it’s counted to ensure that the vote can’t be associated with a specific voter. This is by design to ensure the concept of a secret ballot.

If there were thousands of votes being brought in the dead of night, there would be thousands of votes more than people that actually voted. It would be extremely easy to catch people trying to do this.

Trump claims to have found this, but the people actually qualified to report this kind of discrepancy haven’t seen anything like this. It’s also something that is easily verifiable by government officials, and they haven’t found anything either.

... John Blackstock
Curtesy of Slatten49... br br br So far, there i... (show quote)


As much as I respect Slatten and you, I have to say that unless you have been following this issue diligently you are mistaken. Here is more about vote fraud. Please look at it objectively. Draw your own conclusion, but for me, the inescapable one is that Democrat operatives in battleground states stole the election for Biden. This is going to be eventually proven beyond a reasonable doubt to the American public.

Rudy Giuliani: Common Sense podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAzCECx8XeE&list=PLlMn0a7NgIUZIGjQVofrk1M3Ulqdc7_-4

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Dec 26, 2020 21:03:16   #
JohnCorrespondent
 
permafrost wrote:
Curtesy of Slatten49...


So far, there isn’t one.

Which is strange, because the amount of evidence generated by fraud large enough to change an election, would be massive. There would be thousands of people involved in this conspiracy in order to make it happen.

And I’m not talking about the evidence that Trump and his people have come up with. I mean large amounts of smoking gun, red-handed, obvious instances of voter fraud.

And there would be a lot of it to find.

So, there are a lot of different allegations of fraud, but I’ll go with the big ones here. Algorithms changing votes, dead people/ineligible people voting, and ballots being brought into voting stations to be counted late at night.

Dead/ineligible people voting.

So I’ve already covered why dead/ineligible voters would require thousands of conspirators in my answer below:

John Blackstock's answer to Is the ‘election fraud’ Trump claims won Joe Biden the 2020 election even logistically possible?

The gist is, that in order to use dead people’s names to vote, you’d have thousands of conspirators across polling locations, board of elections, and even the DMV, all complicit on the fraud without saying a word.

If this were the case, it’s almost inevitable some of them would have gotten caught. Voter rolls are purged regularly, and if you try to vote using a dead person’s name that’s been removed from the rolls, you bet your ass that you’d be caught. From there the house of cards would fall, and the resulting investigation by the authorities would uncover either the whole conspiracy, or at least a large chunk of it.

Would some people be able to successfully gain a vote via a dead person’s name? Probably. Would thousands of them do it without a single person getting caught? No way.

Machines changing votes.

Chris Kreb’s the former Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency in the United States. He’s a lifelong Republican, and was appointed by Trump to this position, specifically to ensure the integrity of our elections.

Well, before he was fired for reporting that there’s no evidence of any voter fraud, his main project as director when it came to elections was to ensure that a vast majority (95%) of voting machines in the United States have some sort of paper backup.

This makes it extremely easy to verify if there’s some sort of algorithm improperly counting votes.

The main target of these conspiracy theories is a company called Dominion Voting Systems. It was one of the main voting machine systems used in the state for this most recent election. In order to audit the process, Georgia conducted a hand recount.

And lo and behold! The recount tally matched almost exactly the original count. The main difference was a batch of ballots that were mistakenly not counted in a Republican county that narrowed Biden’s win slightly. This had nothing to do with the voting machines.

Huge batches of ballots coming in the dead of night.

This is by far the easiest to debunk.

Polling locations keep a record of how many people check in to vote, and then compare it to the amount of votes cast. For in person votes, you’re checked in to ensure that you’re an eligible voter, and then you anonymously fill out your ballot and then turn it in.

For mail ballots, the envelope is checked to verify that it’s coming from an eligible voter, and then is separated before it’s counted to ensure that the vote can’t be associated with a specific voter. This is by design to ensure the concept of a secret ballot.

If there were thousands of votes being brought in the dead of night, there would be thousands of votes more than people that actually voted. It would be extremely easy to catch people trying to do this.

Trump claims to have found this, but the people actually qualified to report this kind of discrepancy haven’t seen anything like this. It’s also something that is easily verifiable by government officials, and they haven’t found anything either.

... John Blackstock
Curtesy of Slatten49... br br br So far, there i... (show quote)


The Original Post says:

"So far, there isn’t one."

Hah! I found one! Here it is:

"This past week in Pennsylvania, authorities did make one arrest based on an accusation the Trump campaign first leveled in November. Delaware County prosecutors said a man named Bruce Bartman cast an absentee ballot in his deceased mother’s name — for Mr. Trump. Mr. Bartman’s lawyer said Mr. Bartman had done so as a misguided 'form of protest,' and the local prosecutor said it was nothing more than 'evidence that one person committed voter fraud.'"

( https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/us/politics/republicans-voter-fraud.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage )

So there's one. How many more are needed to be found, to change the winner from Biden to Trump?

Oh wait. The voter fraud was in Trump's favor. Okay, how many _were_ needed to be found, to change the winner from Biden to Trump? Add one to that.

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