One Political Plaza - Home of politics
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main
trump is a national embarrassment...
Page <<first <prev 4 of 10 next> last>>
Dec 14, 2020 09:08:45   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
kemmer wrote:
Until Trump, America was a gold standard of how democracy worked. Now, with a defeated Trump clawing and scraping to remain in office despite losing an election pronounced fair and legal by Trumps own appointees, America appears to the outside world as little better than the "Democratic" Republic of the Congo.


Did you learn that is a public school? Was giving full-auto rifles to the drug cartel in Mexico a gold standard for freedom? Is going all around the world bowing down to Dictators a gold standard too.
You're a disgrace to man kind.

Reply
Dec 14, 2020 10:17:27   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Capt-jack wrote:
Did you learn that is a public school? Was giving full-auto rifles to the drug cartel in Mexico a gold standard for freedom? Is going all around the world bowing down to Dictators a gold standard too.
You're a disgrace to man kind.





Reply
Dec 14, 2020 10:29:09   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
EmilyD wrote:
Oh dear, permafrost.....it's amazing that your lies are so blatant that it's leaves one laughing and shaking their head at you. Do you EVER check things before you post them??

Fred Trump, Sr.'s (Donald's father) estate was worth between $250 million and $300 million when he died. So how did he manage to give Donald $400 million? When Fred Sr. died, he left approximately $20 million to each of his children equally. That's it. The rest of your post is pure blather. How can anyone believe a word you say?

You need to get your facts straight before you accuse me of not talking facts.

....................................
Oh dear, permafrost.....it's amazing that your lie... (show quote)




emily, the ruined world of republicans will need trusting people such as you. hang on, you will have an audiance..

n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump#:~:text=10%20References-,Gifts%2C%20loans%2C%20and%20other%20wealth%20from%20his%20father,York%20Times%20reported%20in%202018.

Gifts, loans, and other wealth from his father
Donald Trump received at least $413 million (2018 prices) from his father's business empire, the New York Times reported in 2018.[2] The Times drew upon more than 100,000 pages of tax returns and financial records from Fred Trump's businesses and interviews with former advisers and employees, finding 295 distinct streams of revenue that Fred Trump created over five decades in order to channel his wealth to his son.[2][3]

Trust funds
Trump is the beneficiary of several trust funds set up by his father and paternal grandmother beginning in 1949 when he was three years old.[4] According to the New York Times, he "was a millionaire by age 8",[2][3] In 1976, Fred set up trust funds of $1 million ($4.5 million in 2019 dollars) for each of his five children and three grandchildren. Donald Trump received $90,000 in 1980 and $214,605 in 1981 through the fund.[4]

Alleged tax-fraud schemes
Donald Trump was also involved in a number of allegedly fraudulent tax schemes. When Fred Trump sold shares in Trump Palace condos to his son well below their purchase price, masking what could be considered a hidden donation, and benefiting from a tax write-off.[3] A lawyer for Trump denied the allegations, calling them "100 percent false, and highly defamatory". A spokesman for the New York State tax department said the agency was "vigorously pursuing all appropriate areas of investigation".[5] New York City officials also indicated they are examining the matter of Trump's alleged fraudulence.[6]

Inheritance
In 1993, when Trump took two loans totaling $30 million from his siblings, their anticipated shares of Fred's estate amounted to $3.5 million each.[7][4] Upon Fred Trump's death in 1999, his will divided $20 million after taxes among his surviving children.[4][8][9]

Acknowledged loans from his father
His immense wealth from childhood notwithstanding, Trump has sought to burnish a reputation for business acumen by minimizing the amount of money he received from his father.[10] He has acknowledged borrowing just $1 million from his father as a young adult, in a sworn deposition and repeatedly on the campaign trail, calling his loan "a very small amount of money".[11][12]

After several years on the Forbes List, Trump's financial losses in the 1980s caused him to be dropped from 1990 to 1995, and reportedly obliged him to borrow from his siblings' trusts in 1993;[7] in 2005, The New York Times referred to Trump's "verbal billions" in a skeptical article about Trump's self-reported wealth.[7] At the time, three individuals with direct knowledge of Trump's finances told reporter Timothy L. O'Brien that Trump's actual net worth was between $150 and $250 million, though Trump then publicly claimed a net worth of $5 to $6 billion.[7] Claiming libel, Trump sued the reporter (and his book publisher) for $5 billion, lost the case, and then lost again on appeal; Trump refused to turn over his unredacted tax returns despite his assertion they supported his case.[17]

But in September 2020, the New York Times noted that "he is personally responsible for loans and other debts totaling $421 million, with most of it coming due within four years" and no obvious way to repay them.[43]

Trump has a total of over $1 billion in debts, borrowed to finance his assets, reported Forbes in October 2020. Around $640 million or more was owed to various banks (Deutsche Bank, Professional Bank, Amboy Bank, and Investors Savings Bank) and trust organizations (Ladder Capital, Chevy Chase Trust Holdings, and the Bryn Mawr Trust Company). Around $450 million was owed to unknown creditors, due to loans related to his properties of 1290 Avenue of the Americas and 555 California Street. In addition, Trump owes over $50 million to Chicago Unit Acquisition LLC, a company he owns.

Investment performance
A 2016 analysis of Trump's business career in The Economist concluded that his performance since 1985 had been "mediocre compared with the stock market and property in New York".[47] A subsequent analysis in The Washington Post similarly noted that Trump's estimated net worth of $100 million in 1978 would have increased to $6 billion by 2016 if he had invested it in a typical retirement fund, and concluded that "Trump is a mix of braggadocio, business failures, and real success."[48]

House subpoenas and court rulings
On May 10, 2019, House Ways and Means Committee chairman Richard Neal subpoenaed the Treasury Department and the IRS for six years of Trump's tax returns. Seven days later, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin refused to comply with the subpoenas.[49][50][51]

On May 20, 2019, President Trump lost an unrelated lawsuit in which he sought to stop his accounting firm, Mazars USA, from complying with a subpoena from the House Oversight Committee for various financial records.[52][53] The ruling against Trump was issued by Judge Amit Mehta of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, who also denied the president a stay of the ruling pending any future appeal.[54]

On November 4, 2019, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld the lower court ruling.[55][56] On December 10, 2019, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York issued a ruling which again found that the lower court had acted properly in upholding the congressional subpoenas for Trump's financial records, but this time also ordered for Deutsche Bank and Capital One to cooperate in releasing the financial records as well.[57]

On July 9, 2020, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 7-2 that Trump cannot continue to keep his financial records secret, but ruled they should instead be given to a Manhattan District Attorney rather than the U.S House of Representatives.[58][59]

New York tax law
In May 2019, both houses of the New York State Legislature, which is based in Trump's native and business home of New York, approved a bill which allows the state's tax commissioner to release any state tax return requested by the leaders of the House Ways and Means Committee, the Senate Finance Committee or the Joint Committee on Taxation for any "specific and legitimate legislative purpose".[60][61]

Perception of wealth
According to a 2019 study in the journal Political Behavior, many voters who perceived Trump as a keen business man and the right choice for the presidency changed their opinions when given the knowledge that he inherited a lot of his money from his father.

Reply
 
 
Dec 14, 2020 11:12:38   #
EmilyD
 
permafrost wrote:
emily, the ruined world of republicans will need trusting people such as you. hang on, you will have an audiance..

n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump#:~:text=10%20References-,Gifts%2C%20loans%2C%20and%20other%20wealth%20from%20his%20father,York%20Times%20reported%20in%202018.

Gifts, loans, and other wealth from his father
Donald Trump received at least $413 million (2018 prices) from his father's business empire, the New York Times reported in 2018.[2] The Times drew upon more than 100,000 pages of tax returns and financial records from Fred Trump's businesses and interviews with former advisers and employees, finding 295 distinct streams of revenue that Fred Trump created over five decades in order to channel his wealth to his son.[2][3]

Trust funds
Trump is the beneficiary of several trust funds set up by his father and paternal grandmother beginning in 1949 when he was three years old.[4] According to the New York Times, he "was a millionaire by age 8",[2][3] In 1976, Fred set up trust funds of $1 million ($4.5 million in 2019 dollars) for each of his five children and three grandchildren. Donald Trump received $90,000 in 1980 and $214,605 in 1981 through the fund.[4]

Alleged tax-fraud schemes
Donald Trump was also involved in a number of allegedly fraudulent tax schemes. When Fred Trump sold shares in Trump Palace condos to his son well below their purchase price, masking what could be considered a hidden donation, and benefiting from a tax write-off.[3] A lawyer for Trump denied the allegations, calling them "100 percent false, and highly defamatory". A spokesman for the New York State tax department said the agency was "vigorously pursuing all appropriate areas of investigation".[5] New York City officials also indicated they are examining the matter of Trump's alleged fraudulence.[6]

Inheritance
In 1993, when Trump took two loans totaling $30 million from his siblings, their anticipated shares of Fred's estate amounted to $3.5 million each.[7][4] Upon Fred Trump's death in 1999, his will divided $20 million after taxes among his surviving children.[4][8][9]

Acknowledged loans from his father
His immense wealth from childhood notwithstanding, Trump has sought to burnish a reputation for business acumen by minimizing the amount of money he received from his father.[10] He has acknowledged borrowing just $1 million from his father as a young adult, in a sworn deposition and repeatedly on the campaign trail, calling his loan "a very small amount of money".[11][12]

After several years on the Forbes List, Trump's financial losses in the 1980s caused him to be dropped from 1990 to 1995, and reportedly obliged him to borrow from his siblings' trusts in 1993;[7] in 2005, The New York Times referred to Trump's "verbal billions" in a skeptical article about Trump's self-reported wealth.[7] At the time, three individuals with direct knowledge of Trump's finances told reporter Timothy L. O'Brien that Trump's actual net worth was between $150 and $250 million, though Trump then publicly claimed a net worth of $5 to $6 billion.[7] Claiming libel, Trump sued the reporter (and his book publisher) for $5 billion, lost the case, and then lost again on appeal; Trump refused to turn over his unredacted tax returns despite his assertion they supported his case.[17]

But in September 2020, the New York Times noted that "he is personally responsible for loans and other debts totaling $421 million, with most of it coming due within four years" and no obvious way to repay them.[43]

Trump has a total of over $1 billion in debts, borrowed to finance his assets, reported Forbes in October 2020. Around $640 million or more was owed to various banks (Deutsche Bank, Professional Bank, Amboy Bank, and Investors Savings Bank) and trust organizations (Ladder Capital, Chevy Chase Trust Holdings, and the Bryn Mawr Trust Company). Around $450 million was owed to unknown creditors, due to loans related to his properties of 1290 Avenue of the Americas and 555 California Street. In addition, Trump owes over $50 million to Chicago Unit Acquisition LLC, a company he owns.

Investment performance
A 2016 analysis of Trump's business career in The Economist concluded that his performance since 1985 had been "mediocre compared with the stock market and property in New York".[47] A subsequent analysis in The Washington Post similarly noted that Trump's estimated net worth of $100 million in 1978 would have increased to $6 billion by 2016 if he had invested it in a typical retirement fund, and concluded that "Trump is a mix of braggadocio, business failures, and real success."[48]

House subpoenas and court rulings
On May 10, 2019, House Ways and Means Committee chairman Richard Neal subpoenaed the Treasury Department and the IRS for six years of Trump's tax returns. Seven days later, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin refused to comply with the subpoenas.[49][50][51]

On May 20, 2019, President Trump lost an unrelated lawsuit in which he sought to stop his accounting firm, Mazars USA, from complying with a subpoena from the House Oversight Committee for various financial records.[52][53] The ruling against Trump was issued by Judge Amit Mehta of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, who also denied the president a stay of the ruling pending any future appeal.[54]

On November 4, 2019, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld the lower court ruling.[55][56] On December 10, 2019, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York issued a ruling which again found that the lower court had acted properly in upholding the congressional subpoenas for Trump's financial records, but this time also ordered for Deutsche Bank and Capital One to cooperate in releasing the financial records as well.[57]

On July 9, 2020, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 7-2 that Trump cannot continue to keep his financial records secret, but ruled they should instead be given to a Manhattan District Attorney rather than the U.S House of Representatives.[58][59]

New York tax law
In May 2019, both houses of the New York State Legislature, which is based in Trump's native and business home of New York, approved a bill which allows the state's tax commissioner to release any state tax return requested by the leaders of the House Ways and Means Committee, the Senate Finance Committee or the Joint Committee on Taxation for any "specific and legitimate legislative purpose".[60][61]

Perception of wealth
According to a 2019 study in the journal Political Behavior, many voters who perceived Trump as a keen business man and the right choice for the presidency changed their opinions when given the knowledge that he inherited a lot of his money from his father.
emily, the ruined world of republicans will need t... (show quote)


Wikipedia is a joke. ANYONE can edit any article with anything they want!

Nuff said.

Reply
Dec 14, 2020 12:25:53   #
RRRoger
 
Kevyn wrote:
I am perhaps mor cynical than you are. If Trump thought he really had a shot at overturning the election he would utilize the rioting he has incited as an excuse for some sort of national emergency and declaring of martial law. By sending a diarrhea perspiring clown to put drunken lunatics up to testify at televised hearings a clown who then audibly farts on national TV he is simply creating a distraction. The same is true of his execution marathon. It is all a circus act to distract from his feathering his bed and covering his tracks before he slithers out the door. During the housing crisis, I have a friend who bought foreclosed property from banks. She said that in most the people thrown out would show their anger by liking in or spray painting the walls, destroying plumbing, filling them with garbage or even crapping on the floor or pouring cement down the toilets and drains. This is what Trump is doing to our country.
I am perhaps mor cynical than you are. If Trump th... (show quote)


Kevin, you will never stop lying until you face your maker, or have you already sold your soul to the devil.
Trump is the Greatest Public Servant we have ever had.
But, perhaps his pride has come before his fall?

Reply
Dec 14, 2020 12:29:58   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Capt-jack wrote:
Did you learn that is a public school? Was giving full-auto rifles to the drug cartel in Mexico a gold standard for freedom? Is going all around the world bowing down to Dictators a gold standard too.
You're a disgrace to man kind.


He's really only a disgrace to "kinda a man kind".

Reply
Dec 14, 2020 14:03:20   #
Radiance3
 
permafrost wrote:
The electoral college votes on Monday Dec 14. Can Trump or the Republicans block Biden at this point?
The Michigan AG was asked if now that the Supreme Court had rejected the TX and 18 other AGs plus 126 Republicans in Congress, could she relax as the election was over and the electoral college will go ahead as scheduled on Monday December 14, 2020.

Her answer was, ‘I won’t be able to relax or take a breath until January 20, 2021 when Joe Biden is inaugurated as President’.

I think that says it all, Trump and his anti democracy crusade trying to overthrow the US and the votes of 81 million who voted him out, will not stop ever. Today Trump flew over a crowd supporting him on Marine 1 so he could play the dictator in chief thanking them for trying to overthrow the US constitution.

On Monday is the next test in a seemingly endless series of this man and his enablers trying to overthrow the US constitution. All of the states vote their electors. We all know what they are supposed to do, we all know that it should only be Democrats in the states Biden has won and only be Republicans in the states that Trump has won who will vote.

In any other time, even Bush V Gore, Gore had conceded by now so there was no disputing anything they all just voted straight party lines. Yes there have been a couple of ‘faithless’ electors in the past but nothing that could change an outcome and certainly not in 2000 as Bush literally had exactly the 270 he needed and they all voted according to who won in their respective states.

Do I believe something will happen? Yes, do I think they will change the outcome, No!

On Monday it will be yet another nail in the coffin of President Trump and more noise and more yelling and more law suits and more discussion about the Supreme Court.

Most importantly though is for everyone to pay attention on Monday as it will be history in the making one way or the other. Let us hope that the decisive results of Biden beating Trump is finalized by the electoral college. That will leave one last battleground in the House of Representatives on January 6, but there Nancy Pelosi holds the gavel and runs the House and I am confident she will not allow any shenanigans to get out of control. But equally prepared for wild speeches by Republicans and I expect there may even be congressman dragged off the floor if necessary.

Stay tuned it is as the Michigan AG said, not over until January 20 when Biden takes office.

Such is the state of insanity that Trump has brought to America and is only beginning to be purged like that disease it has become and this purging shall intensify over the days, months and years ahead until hopefully it is but a memory in the not too distant future.
The electoral college votes on Monday Dec 14. Can ... (show quote)

======================
I am truly upset with you, calling president Trump an embarrassment. Who are the embarrassments here ? They are Barack Obama the treasonous and treacherous Kenyan, Hillary, and the CROOK Joe Biden, his son, and the whole family. Those are the embarrassments, the crooks and thieves. Most of the democrats are thieves! They stole the 2020 election thru FRAUD!

President Trump is the best president this country since president Reagan. He loves this country and the American people. He has done so much for this country for a short period of 4 years. Barack your beloved president has destroyed this country since 2009. BarackGate until now has not been accounted for the crimes he did for the American people. The BarackGate, the ObamaGate, the Deep State, all due to Barack Obama's vision to change this country for his Marxist vision.

Reply
 
 
Dec 14, 2020 14:15:17   #
Radiance3
 
EmilyD wrote:
Let's talk about "personal cash cow"....If you're going to say Trump used his presidency for that, then you must say the same thing about Obama....who is now worth $135 million. His net worth upon entering the White House was $1.3 million....

(P.s., Trump was worth $3 billion before entering the White House, and his net worth today is still $3 billion. Tell me where the "cash cow" comes in?)

=================
Of all US presidents, president Trump is the only president who has paid hundreds of millions of dollars of taxes to the Federal government, and tens of millions OF TAX DOLLARS to the State and city government.

Trump earned his money. He worked since he was young. Whereas Barack a 50% Kenyan, Hillary, the most crooked Joe Biden, his son Hunter, brother are all CROOKS. Most democrats in this 2020 election are CROOKS. They defrauded the election to win.

Barack, Hillary, Biden before working for the Federal government, they are all bankrupt, and after 8 to 50 years they became multi-millionaires of more than $150 million . Hillary is a billionaire by influence peddling, so as Barack, and Biden. THEY HAVE NO SHAME!!

Reply
Dec 14, 2020 14:56:39   #
Carol Kelly
 
Milosia2 wrote:
As I said before once all the money has all been collected as is back with its rightful owners, only then will Common sense be allowed to prevail.


Your statement,as usual, makes little sense.

Reply
Dec 14, 2020 15:09:56   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Radiance3 wrote:
======================
I am truly upset with you, calling president Trump an embarrassment. Who are the embarrassments here ? They are Barack Obama the treasonous and treacherous Kenyan, Hillary, and the CROOK Joe Biden, his son, and the whole family. Those are the embarrassments, the crooks and thieves. Most of the democrats are thieves! They stole the 2020 election thru FRAUD!

President Trump is the best president this country since president Reagan. He loves this country and the American people. He has done so much for this country for a short period of 4 years. Barack your beloved president has destroyed this country since 2009. BarackGate until now has not been accounted for the crimes he did for the American people. The BarackGate, the ObamaGate, the Deep State, all due to Barack Obama's vision to change this country for his Marxist vision.
====================== br I am truly upset with yo... (show quote)



Reply
Dec 14, 2020 15:19:47   #
vernon
 
permafrost wrote:
Will tomorrow be your last day, or will you cry forever?

It has puzzled me for a long time, the republicans have always tried to show themselves as the alpha party.. stand up and take not guff..

but it turns out they have no spin at all.. some orange con jerk comes along and by god, not a murmur as he changes the party of "values" into his personal cash cow..

So when he is gone, will the party return to the stated values of so many years, or will the party splinter, the real republicans attempting to get back to claimed values of generations while the trump supporters run off to start a new party of their own. In which they will draw a new constitution, laws and do as Some are championing.. succeed from the country of the free and the brave..

Nothing but lip service from the big mouths of trump cult members.. a lost bunch of the hopeless.
Will tomorrow be your last day, or will you cry fo... (show quote)


Cult? What do you call this shit of voting for a lazy do nothing for 47 yrs and a known taker
of bribes.I don't know if you call that cult or just queers sucking for a handout.

Reply
 
 
Dec 14, 2020 15:29:25   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
vernon wrote:
Cult? What do you call this shit of voting for a lazy do nothing for 47 yrs and a known taker
of bribes.I don't know if you call that cult or just queers sucking for a handout.





Reply
Dec 14, 2020 16:32:55   #
Wildlandfirefighter
 
EmilyD wrote:
Wow....you know so much about Trump's businesses! How do you? Why are you all screaming to have his taxes released if you know it all.

First, Trump doesn't get personally involved. He knows how to protect his personal finances. Trump's corporations have filed for bankruptcy; Trump personally has not. That is Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Perfectly legal...no matter how many times. He used the laws of the land. Again, if you don't like the way he does business. Tough.

His father gave him money. BIG DEAL. Fred is not the only father who has helped his son with their businesses. (Hunter Biden comes to mind...).

How, exactly, were Americans hurt by Trump's bankruptcies that occurred before he was President?? What an incredible thing to say!!

You know what? You actually sound jealous of Trump!
Wow....you know so much about Trump's businesses! ... (show quote)


Well DUH Emily! Just what do you think happens when you declare bankruptcy and have it confirmed in court? It means your assets are sold off to pay your creditors, and generally any additional debt after this is written off. So over the course of his six bankruptcies trumps creditors, from banks to small construction businesses and Trump employees at all those casinos and other businesses he lost were left holding the bag. All those people and companies here in America that were not paid for their materials or services or loans lost.

Get it now my dear?

Oh by the way, the Trump companies are nearly all personally owned by Trump, not shareholders. Trump uses his business data FOR his personal taxes. There is really no difference. Nearly all his businesses are privately held and not publicly traded companies. So any Trump corporation bankruptcy is in effect a Trump personal bankruptcy. And as we can see from how he has run his presidency, Trump is directly involved in every business and is the final decision maker on any significant issue.

You are getting very bad information and its way past time you at least attempt to see the truth.

Reply
Dec 14, 2020 16:36:00   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
EmilyD wrote:
Spin, spin, spin, spin. If Trump gave Donald money over his lifetime that added up, he also did with his other children. And what the hell is wrong with that? Donald showed an interest in the business when the other children did not. There's NOTHING wrong with that. Nothing. Chapter 13 bankruptcy is done all the time in businesses....look it up. And it's not illegal - it is perfectly allowed by the law. Don't like it? Tough. And if that's all you can come up with, well then......

LOL!!!

Spin, spin, spin, spin. If Trump gave Donald money... (show quote)


Lol, you love such a winner. He's ONLY had 6 bankruptcies. He's a freakin' financial wizard, I tell ya!

Reply
Dec 14, 2020 16:39:22   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
RRRoger wrote:
Kevin, you will never stop lying until you face your maker, or have you already sold your soul to the devil.
Trump is the Greatest Public Servant we have ever had.
But, perhaps his pride has come before his fall?


Thoughts and prayers.

Reply
Page <<first <prev 4 of 10 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2024 IDF International Technologies, Inc.