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Sep 8, 2020 20:50:06   #
Big Dolly
 
permafrost wrote:
Trump did indeed show contempt, even hate for veteran of our wars..

More for those captured, wounded or killed..

How do vets feel. read from one old fellow..


Excerpt from a long Quora post..


WHAT DO VETERANS THINK ABOUT TRUMP’S INSULTS?

One of Trump's "losers" and "suckers" is 95-year-old WWII veteran Harvey Hafter, who spoke with evident pride of serving his country on a PT Boat, then let the Demander-in-Chief have it with both barrels: "Boy is he a loser! What has he done? Other than screw up, and that's exactly what we called them in the Navy: a Foul-Up, Top to Bottom. He can't insult us and get away with that kind of nonsense! Who does he think he is, that Draft Dodger? He's a coward! And I'd call him so to his face! I wish he were here right now! I'm five-foot-six. I weigh 135 pounds soaking wet. And I challenge him. Any way he wants: pistols, swords, fists. Any way he wants, 'cause that kind of an insult, I won't stand for it! And neither will any other service person. Who does he think he is? Whatever chance he had of getting a vote from me is gone. I want someone who's calm, quiet and not a Loud-Mouth, an Empty Barrel. I want Joe Biden. That's it."
Trump did indeed show contempt, even hate for vete... (show quote)



This veteran is TOTALLY BRASSED OFF, isn't he? 😱😱😱

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Sep 9, 2020 09:54:23   #
AmericanVIKING Loc: USA
 
Some bring up funding and if it should be reallocated from the military.........
It has not been but just for argument sake lets a dime has been so let's address that for a moment.

QUESTION: If we want a safe Military Base (ANYWHERE) then do we just put the buildings up in the middle of nowhere or do we ALWAYS build a perimeter WALL? Always support the WALL with security guards and maintain all security measures to protect ALL that which is inside the base?

Any location with any need for protection of the personnel and resources within ANY Military Base requires some barrier to prevent intrusion and for protection. That is a given to any Military and is indisputable by any standards.

With that said then how can anyone disagree that THE Border Wall would or could be construed as anything less that a Security Wall?
Does not the Military ALWAYS allocate a portion of their funds for it's own Security?
That Military Base, whether permanent or temporary, Base Security always secures some form of a perimeter WALLS?

It confounds me how this is so confusing. How can a WALL whether it be defined, named or called a Border Wall or Perimeter Wall be so confusing for some.

REMINDER: Security is a basic and fundamental rule of any Military whether mobile or stationary. That is a given and been so since the early military going back to the Romans. I assume I don't need to explain their fortress of walls protecting their cities, outposts and even temporary campaigns?

This is my final question for those wondering about the funding or necessity of the Border Wall.
IF WE leave our vulnerable Border unchecked then is that considered by any Military stand point a good idea?
Border, perimeter or any other term for security is on continuous alert and awareness and once a hole or less than perfect performance level is deteremined it can and will be changed to conform to a stronger and safer level.
If any aspect of security has been changed, compromised or determined to have changed then actions are implemented to correct it on an immediate level.
Since those in charge in our past have ignored the WALL and it is now considered more of a threat in so many ways it now requires action. Just because that's just the ways it's ALWAYS been does not lend to the excuse it be continued to be ignored....that is just absurd and not responsible by any standard.

IF there are or is any Military funds directed for the Border Wall then that would and should not be considered outside any rational or sound Military Security justification.

Any person with even a smidgen of ANY Military or Security experience automatically and inherently understands that a strong barrier such as a WALL for defense is one of the most basic or basics.
I find this difficult to even be questioned unless one is just being argumentative.

EVEN IF even a dime has been pulled from any MILITARY funding then how is this even a question that it has caused any shortage of safety for ANY Military Service Personnel? The WALL is in itself IS for Security and that ALSO includes from and for any MILITARY. So how would that be a BAD THING?

HERE is the final KICKER for some of you: OUR President, and notice I called him OUR President, is also OUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF. How audacious of anyone to question any decision he makes without having ANY qualified level of Intel or have any concept of the whole potential picture.

It is just not our place to question someone that has ALL THE INTEL. Anything of that nature or origin only lends to present oneself as being.....(you can fill in your choice descriptive word here.....)


Shakespeare had a saying.....I think I may have paraphrased part of this over 60yrs I've referenced it...It goes something like this and I think you will digest it fine..."One is never but wrong, One is only but Misinformed".
If you don't get it by the first reading, then just let it mull for a time.
If you're not familiar or had interest in Shakespeare then he can be difficult to digest until careful consideration and reflection. Some never do get him just like some will never harvest a Moose. It and he are not on most radar and is therefore totally normal not to get him.

So have I done it? Did I sufficiently confuse, loose and disorient? I'm of course just kidding. It seems so serious on here for some and I think a light hearted and otherwise abstract approach works to keep from getting too personal or from attacking...I don't like for anyone to feel I attack....I'll just sneak up and bite ya...KIDDING PEOPLE...

I have no intention to hurt nor insult any so just look upon me as a Jester in the court of nowhere-nuttin Man...hope ya'all havin a great day!!!

JUST SAYIN'
PS. I guess I don't sufficiently edit my spelling, grammar, sentence structure as I should but at my age it don't makes NO difference Furrr me.

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Sep 9, 2020 10:41:09   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
permafrost wrote:
Trump did indeed show contempt, even hate for veteran of our wars..

More for those captured, wounded or killed..

How do vets feel. read from one old fellow..


Excerpt from a long Quora post..


WHAT DO VETERANS THINK ABOUT TRUMP’S INSULTS?

One of Trump's "losers" and "suckers" is 95-year-old WWII veteran Harvey Hafter, who spoke with evident pride of serving his country on a PT Boat, then let the Demander-in-Chief have it with both barrels: "Boy is he a loser! What has he done? Other than screw up, and that's exactly what we called them in the Navy: a Foul-Up, Top to Bottom. He can't insult us and get away with that kind of nonsense! Who does he think he is, that Draft Dodger? He's a coward! And I'd call him so to his face! I wish he were here right now! I'm five-foot-six. I weigh 135 pounds soaking wet. And I challenge him. Any way he wants: pistols, swords, fists. Any way he wants, 'cause that kind of an insult, I won't stand for it! And neither will any other service person. Who does he think he is? Whatever chance he had of getting a vote from me is gone. I want someone who's calm, quiet and not a Loud-Mouth, an Empty Barrel. I want Joe Biden. That's it."
Trump did indeed show contempt, even hate for vete... (show quote)


Yup, 95 year old loud mouth who won't vote for Trump but will vote for Bribem and won't live long enough to see the damage Bribem and heels up Harris will do to our country. This old veteran's problem is he remembers the Democrat party of his youth, unfortunately that Democrat no longer exists, it is now the demonrat party.

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Sep 9, 2020 10:48:10   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
AmericanVIKING wrote:
Some bring up funding and if it should be reallocated from the military.........
It has not been but just for argument sake lets a dime has been so let's address that for a moment.

QUESTION: If we want a safe Military Base (ANYWHERE) then do we just put the buildings up in the middle of nowhere or do we ALWAYS build a perimeter WALL? Always support the WALL with security guards and maintain all security measures to protect ALL that which is inside the base?

Any location with any need for protection of the personnel and resources within ANY Military Base requires some barrier to prevent intrusion and for protection. That is a given to any Military and is indisputable by any standards.

With that said then how can anyone disagree that THE Border Wall would or could be construed as anything less that a Security Wall?
Does not the Military ALWAYS allocate a portion of their funds for it's own Security?
That Military Base, whether permanent or temporary, Base Security always secures some form of a perimeter WALLS?

It confounds me how this is so confusing. How can a WALL whether it be defined, named or called a Border Wall or Perimeter Wall be so confusing for some.

REMINDER: Security is a basic and fundamental rule of any Military whether mobile or stationary. That is a given and been so since the early military going back to the Romans. I assume I don't need to explain their fortress of walls protecting their cities, outposts and even temporary campaigns?

This is my final question for those wondering about the funding or necessity of the Border Wall.
IF WE leave our vulnerable Border unchecked then is that considered by any Military stand point a good idea?
Border, perimeter or any other term for security is on continuous alert and awareness and once a hole or less than perfect performance level is deteremined it can and will be changed to conform to a stronger and safer level.
If any aspect of security has been changed, compromised or determined to have changed then actions are implemented to correct it on an immediate level.
Since those in charge in our past have ignored the WALL and it is now considered more of a threat in so many ways it now requires action. Just because that's just the ways it's ALWAYS been does not lend to the excuse it be continued to be ignored....that is just absurd and not responsible by any standard.

IF there are or is any Military funds directed for the Border Wall then that would and should not be considered outside any rational or sound Military Security justification.

Any person with even a smidgen of ANY Military or Security experience automatically and inherently understands that a strong barrier such as a WALL for defense is one of the most basic or basics.
I find this difficult to even be questioned unless one is just being argumentative.

EVEN IF even a dime has been pulled from any MILITARY funding then how is this even a question that it has caused any shortage of safety for ANY Military Service Personnel? The WALL is in itself IS for Security and that ALSO includes from and for any MILITARY. So how would that be a BAD THING?

HERE is the final KICKER for some of you: OUR President, and notice I called him OUR President, is also OUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF. How audacious of anyone to question any decision he makes without having ANY qualified level of Intel or have any concept of the whole potential picture.

It is just not our place to question someone that has ALL THE INTEL. Anything of that nature or origin only lends to present oneself as being.....(you can fill in your choice descriptive word here.....)


Shakespeare had a saying.....I think I may have paraphrased part of this over 60yrs I've referenced it...It goes something like this and I think you will digest it fine..."One is never but wrong, One is only but Misinformed".
If you don't get it by the first reading, then just let it mull for a time.
If you're not familiar or had interest in Shakespeare then he can be difficult to digest until careful consideration and reflection. Some never do get him just like some will never harvest a Moose. It and he are not on most radar and is therefore totally normal not to get him.

So have I done it? Did I sufficiently confuse, loose and disorient? I'm of course just kidding. It seems so serious on here for some and I think a light hearted and otherwise abstract approach works to keep from getting too personal or from attacking...I don't like for anyone to feel I attack....I'll just sneak up and bite ya...KIDDING PEOPLE...

I have no intention to hurt nor insult any so just look upon me as a Jester in the court of nowhere-nuttin Man...hope ya'all havin a great day!!!

JUST SAYIN'
PS. I guess I don't sufficiently edit my spelling, grammar, sentence structure as I should but at my age it don't makes NO difference Furrr me.
Some bring up funding and if it should be realloca... (show quote)


Like your post AV, but let me add this - from my old HS Superintendent at the first of each school year when rumors were flying around - "Ladies and gentlemen, this is a case of the misinformed informing the uninformed" 😂👍🇺🇸
SGM B out

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Sep 9, 2020 10:48:46   #
kemmer
 
AmericanVIKING wrote:
WOW. I guess ALL the other things he has said and ACTUALLY and Physically DONE to increase and support our MILITARY has all been lost on those that want to believe these new lies?

Like all wannabe dictators, Trump showers the Pentagon with cash they don't need or want because dictators absolutely must have the backing of the army. Then Trump goes and messes it all up by calling fallen soldiers "losers and suckers", and accuses the Pentagon generals of wanting as many wars as possible.

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Sep 9, 2020 11:07:41   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
He sounds partisan... Especially that last bit...


But the Liberals are using absolutely reliable anonymous sources.

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Sep 9, 2020 11:11:05   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
permafrost wrote:
Trump did indeed show contempt, even hate for veteran of our wars..

More for those captured, wounded or killed..

How do vets feel. read from one old fellow..


Excerpt from a long Quora post..


WHAT DO VETERANS THINK ABOUT TRUMP’S INSULTS?

One of Trump's "losers" and "suckers" is 95-year-old WWII veteran Harvey Hafter, who spoke with evident pride of serving his country on a PT Boat, then let the Demander-in-Chief have it with both barrels: "Boy is he a loser! What has he done? Other than screw up, and that's exactly what we called them in the Navy: a Foul-Up, Top to Bottom. He can't insult us and get away with that kind of nonsense! Who does he think he is, that Draft Dodger? He's a coward! And I'd call him so to his face! I wish he were here right now! I'm five-foot-six. I weigh 135 pounds soaking wet. And I challenge him. Any way he wants: pistols, swords, fists. Any way he wants, 'cause that kind of an insult, I won't stand for it! And neither will any other service person. Who does he think he is? Whatever chance he had of getting a vote from me is gone. I want someone who's calm, quiet and not a Loud-Mouth, an Empty Barrel. I want Joe Biden. That's it."
Trump did indeed show contempt, even hate for vete... (show quote)


While I admire anyone who served on the PT boats, bear in mind this gentleman is in his nineties, and probably doesn't realize that every one of the accusers' "sources" are listed as anonymous. Hell, Permafrost, I'm going to go ahead and publish that crap you said. My anonymous source assure me you actually said it, so it must be true.

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Sep 9, 2020 12:39:55   #
kemmer
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
While I admire anyone who served on the PT boats, bear in mind this gentleman is in his nineties, and probably doesn't realize that every one of the accusers' "sources" are listed as anonymous. Hell, Permafrost, I'm going to go ahead and publish that crap you said. My anonymous source assure me you actually said it, so it must be true.

The accusers are NOT unknown to the author of the Atlantic article. In any case known persons of record have reported the contempt Trump has for the military.

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Sep 9, 2020 12:47:11   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
kemmer wrote:
The accusers are NOT unknown to the author of the Atlantic article. In any case known persons of record have reported the contempt Trump has for the military.


What do you have to say about Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic, admitting that a key detail of his article about Trump was not truthful?

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Sep 9, 2020 12:58:28   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Simple Sam wrote:
What do you have to say about Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic, admitting that a key detail of his article about Trump was not truthful?


As with any reprobate who furthers a lie, he is frothing at the mouth.

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Sep 9, 2020 13:08:55   #
kemmer
 
Simple Sam wrote:
What do you have to say about Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic, admitting that a key detail of his article about Trump was not truthful?

Meh. What part, for example? Trump’s concern for his hair in the rain?

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Sep 9, 2020 14:40:14   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
kemmer wrote:
Meh. What part, for example? Trump’s concern for his hair in the rain?


Look it up.

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Sep 9, 2020 15:03:11   #
TrueAmerican
 
permafrost wrote:
Trump did indeed show contempt, even hate for veteran of our wars..

More for those captured, wounded or killed..

How do vets feel. read from one old fellow..


Excerpt from a long Quora post..


WHAT DO VETERANS THINK ABOUT TRUMP’S INSULTS?

One of Trump's "losers" and "suckers" is 95-year-old WWII veteran Harvey Hafter, who spoke with evident pride of serving his country on a PT Boat, then let the Demander-in-Chief have it with both barrels: "Boy is he a loser! What has he done? Other than screw up, and that's exactly what we called them in the Navy: a Foul-Up, Top to Bottom. He can't insult us and get away with that kind of nonsense! Who does he think he is, that Draft Dodger? He's a coward! And I'd call him so to his face! I wish he were here right now! I'm five-foot-six. I weigh 135 pounds soaking wet. And I challenge him. Any way he wants: pistols, swords, fists. Any way he wants, 'cause that kind of an insult, I won't stand for it! And neither will any other service person. Who does he think he is? Whatever chance he had of getting a vote from me is gone. I want someone who's calm, quiet and not a Loud-Mouth, an Empty Barrel. I want Joe Biden. That's it."
Trump did indeed show contempt, even hate for vete... (show quote)


Words from another veteran --- you are full of horse schitt !!!!!!

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Sep 9, 2020 16:14:47   #
AmericanVIKING Loc: USA
 
Simple Sam wrote:
Look it up.


I agree to that for only one aspect however, the actual and real reason was the weather conditions. Anyone can take any snipen of any report and leave out the most importantly aspect to twist and distort the narrative.
If the additional and most important part of the letter or report were included then it would confirm a low ceiling for helicopters. At best the weather report was indicating a ceiling of around 770 feet to a maximum of 1,100 feet. Include the unpredictable wind sheers in that region it was determined to cancel the flight.

Example of the dangers of low ceiling for the helicopter resulted in Coby Briant's fatal helicopter crash. That is verifiable with a small amount of research even on Yahoo.

My point is that anyone can take and make a claim of any kind by only taking a small part of the facts and make it into anything they like. Anyone can claim something and make it appear to be truth especially if the say it loud enough and long enough.

There is another aspect to this story that has been overlooked and under reported. The multiple sources that are not actually fans of Trump that have repeatedly contradicted the lies about the canceled flight and the reasoning.

I'm not about to give anyone those statements as it is not appreciated since most have already concluded the claim is factual. I can't expend all day convincing the lost.
Stay lost and enjoy your wallow in the mud with that irresponsible reporter as the claim is down in the mud.


JUST SAYIN'

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Sep 9, 2020 16:18:10   #
Cherokee38 Loc: Atlanta
 
specific. did not downgrade veterns or pows he didn't like McCain. Because MCain's nikname in nam was songbird
He was tried and convicted of treason by a military court. And you like McCain?

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