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May 7, 2014 23:19:25   #
carolyn
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
From May 7, 2014 "National Memo" by Gene Lyons

The Great Benghazi Scandal Gets Sillier

Here’s how unreal the Great Benghazi Scandal had already grown as of last year. Washington Post fact checker Glenn Kessler devoted an entire May 2013 column to the scholastic question of whether President Obama’s calling the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on a U.S. Consulate in Libya an “act of terror” was the same as calling it an “act of terrorism,” as he’d recently claimed.

Kessler pondered the deep semantic differences between the two phrases before awarding Obama a full four “Pinocchios,” signifying a “whopper.” Seriously. That’s the big cover-up House Republicans pretend they’re outraged about.

Obama’s exact words, from the White House Rose Garden on the day after the attack that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and his security team:

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

So who was Obama trying to deceive? People who hadn’t seen the smoking ruins on TV? And about what? Kessler doesn’t say. Only that the two phrases don’t signify precisely the same thing — a distinction without a difference in any realistic political context.

It will be recalled that GOP nominee Mitt Romney executed one of the clumsiest pratfalls in presidential debate history for mistakenly challenging Obama on this exact point. Had the president, or had he not, described the Benghazi disaster as an “act of terror?”

Obama cooly urged his rival to consult the transcript. In fact, he’d used the phrase several times. Had the Washington political press not had so much invested in a “cliffhanger” election narrative, Romney’s blunder would have been compared to President Gerald Ford’s denying Soviet influence in Poland during a 1976 debate with Jimmy Carter.

But then this is the great mystery confronting non-initiates in the great GOP Benghazi cult. What on earth are these people going on about? That if Obama had said “act of terrorism” instead of “act of terror,” Americans would have punished his failure to eliminate jihadists from the face of the earth by turning to Mitt “47 percent” Romney?

That everything would be different if UN Ambassador Susan Rice had cast aside White House “talking points” about inflammatory videos on the Sunday political chat shows and candidly confessed that “whether they were al Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al Qaeda itself…is one of the things we’ll have to determine?”

Because those were Rice’s exact words, block copied from the transcript of CBS’s Sept. 16, 2012 Face the Nation broadcast in response to a direct question from Bob Schieffer about al Qaeda involvement.

Everybody now pretends she named no terrorist groups, for the sake of keeping the make-believe scandal alive.

It follows that contrary to everything you hear from partisan mischief makers and their helpers among the Washington press, the Obama White House has never sought to deny the obvious: that the kinds of religious zealots who bring rocket-propelled grenade launchers to street demonstrations didn’t simply find them lying around in the bazaar.

The original CIA talking points released 11 months ago said pretty much what Ambassador Rice said: that outrage at a crude, American-made video mocking Islam sparked violent protests across much of the Middle East, and that militants took advantage of the resulting chaos for their own bloody purposes. The exact identity of those responsible isn’t yet known.

See, out there in the real world, it doesn’t always have to be either/or. Most often it’s both/and: armed terrorist groups and a provocative video. A Senate Intelligence Committee report released last January sharply criticized the State Department, but also concluded “that the attack was not a highly coordinated plot, but was opportunistic.”

David D. Kirkpatrick’s masterful reporting in The New York Times established that the anti-western Libyan militia Ansar Al-Sharia had long had the consulate under surveillance, although “[a]nger at the video motivated the initial attack. Dozens of people joined in, some of them provoked by the video and others responding to fast-spreading false rumors that guards inside the American compound had shot Libyan protesters….A Libyan journalist working for The New York Times was blocked from entering by the sentries outside, and he learned of the film from the fighters who stopped him.”

However, a 2012 White House email has recently emerged, re-stating CIA talking points in somewhat different language. So big deal.

They’ll be singing all summer: Potato, potahto, tomato, tomahto.

Well, you know the rest.
From May 7, 2014 "National Memo" by Gene... (show quote)


Let's wait until Trey Gowdy is finished with his investigation before making any silly predictions about how the Washington angels were so misinterpreted and beaten up on by those mean old Republicans, shall we? After all, don't they have emails derived from the FOIA that state you are full of shit and the crooked Democrats are guilty as charged?

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May 7, 2014 23:26:21   #
Airforceone
 
carolyn wrote:
Let's wait until Trey Gowdy is finished with his investigation before making any silly predictions about how the Washington angels were so misinterpreted and beaten up on by those mean old Republicans, shall we? After all, don't they have emails derived from the FOIA that state you are full of shit and the crooked Democrats are guilty as charged?


We already had 4 and there is nothing new what bugs me that republicans chairman is the only one that can call witnesses Dems cannot why is that

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May 7, 2014 23:30:51   #
carolyn
 
Inyourface wrote:
Bhengazi,oh Bhengazi. Will the GOP ever cease to feed this crap to their low IQ base?

The Bush ,crime gang is responsible for the DEATHS of up 1,000,000 human beings and dumb assed, whites just shrugged. LET IT GO YOU MORONS.


Oh but we can't let it go! We now have proof that your lovely Democrats lied, even as they were under oath to tell the truth. And to top off everything else, we had to go through the FOIA to get it. Now why would we have to do that? Why did your honest and law abiding "your definition, not mine" Democrats not tell all this at the Senate hearings on Benghazi? But there was never a word spoken about any of this cover-up and lying, was there? So now you are trying to tell us that because Bush was purported to have been responsible for 1,000,000 lives, we should allow your crooks to kill "a few" Americans without repercussion?

What kind of ghetto monkey are you, anyway?

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May 7, 2014 23:41:59   #
carolyn
 
tdsrnest wrote:
We already had 4 and there is nothing new what bugs me that republicans chairman is the only one that can call witnesses Dems cannot why is that


Oh but there is a whole lot new that Republicans have found that the democrats LIED UNDER OATH about. And what makes this so sickening is the fact that they will bring out that it was done to protect Obummer's reelection and Hillary Clinton's chance to run for president in 2016.

Now you can go ahead and feel sorry for these lying crooks. That is your prerogative, as it is ours to go after these crooks because of the low-life's they are.

It is shameful that any people would be so greedy as to sacrifice American lives, all for the sake of an election. And it is more shameful that one of these people was the American Ambassador to Libya.

I would like to ask you a personal question if I may. What makes people like you stick with crooks and chronic liars such as your mentors, Barack and Hillary?

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May 7, 2014 23:53:57   #
carolyn
 
Ricko wrote:
carolyn-you will continue to be lambasted by the liberal welfare crowd as they are running scared. The truth may come out and they cannot handle it. The low IQ crowd generally consists of minorities and they all vote democrat and will continue to do so as long as the welfare check and food stamps keep coming in. The few with a modicum of intelligence will protect this rotten administration at all costs because their ideology has overridden their common sense. You can spot the Obama butt lickers from a mile away-they are those with their hand out waiting for some government agency to give them something that someone else pays for. The debt has double under Obama and the dollar is precariously close to losing its status as the world reserve currency and all the liberals can think of is more programs to feed the lazies, more foreign aid, more give aways -all on borrowed money. Getting at the truth about anything is the last thing on their agenda unless, of course ,a republican is at fault . Hang Nixon on a burglary but give Obama a free pass on 4 murders. The liberal mind at work! Good Luck America !!!
carolyn-you will continue to be lambasted by the l... (show quote)


You are so right. Why can't everyone see this logic?

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May 7, 2014 23:55:45   #
rumitoid
 
carolyn wrote:
As the Benghazi lies unfold, we will find several moving parts:

(1.) Hillary Clinton was involved in turning down Ambassador Chris Stevens' request for more security
for our diplomatic facilities in Libya.

(2.) The extra security was declined because it was essential for the Administration's narrative that Libya be seen as being secure.

(3.) When the crap hit the fan on Sept.11, Hillary realized the danger a coordinated al Qaida attack presented to Obama's reelection and the danger it represented to her 2016 presidential ambitions.

(4.) She resorted to her best friend to save her...THE BIG LIE.

(5.) The press release issued by the State Department around 11 pm EDT on September 11 locked in the story of the internet video, even though Hillary knew at the time IT WAS A LIE.

(6.) During the week leading up to Susan Rice's television appearance on September 16, Ben Rhodes, with the assistance of Jay Carney, David Plouffe, and others, drafted a set of talking points which were patently false. The purpose being to freeze interest in investigating Benghazi until after the election in less than two months.
Five out of six lies; try again.
Hopefully Tray Gowdy will provide Hillary Clinton with the answer to her question she put before the Congress.
As the Benghazi lies unfold, we will find several ... (show quote)


Five out of six lies; try again.

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May 8, 2014 00:04:31   #
carolyn
 
rumitoid wrote:
Five out of six lies; try again.


Like I have said. Let's wait until the investigation is over, shall we? But just remember one thing. There will be no time limit on questions in this case. Mr. Gowdy will have all the time he needs to question these liars. I can't wait to see him trip you yokels up and make you bawl like a baby.

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May 8, 2014 00:07:13   #
svenka Loc: Chicago suburbs
 
Stop at No. Two. Makes no sense. End here.

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May 8, 2014 00:16:40   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Come on that was never proven. I am not a Hillary fan but why start this stuff.


I gotta ask, legitimately this time; what difference at this point does it make? The investigations are going ahead full steam. If there is consistency in testimony then the left will be exonerated, if not the right will put new scalps on their belts.

All we can do now is watch.

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May 8, 2014 00:22:25   #
carolyn
 
svenka wrote:
Stop at No. Two. Makes no sense. End here.


#2 makes perfect sense if you had a brain to acknowledge it. When Obama's polls were fast sinking to lower and lower depths he announced that Libya was secure and that al Qaida was under control. This was two months before his reelection bid. So when this fiasco happened, which made his previous lie an even bigger one, he first tried to weasel out of any blame by passing it off as a simple uprising because of a video that had been passed around in Libya. But it was soon found to be a lie that Barack and Company had started to take eyes from him and Hillary, and the real reason that the terrorists had attacked our embassy.

It will all come out in the investigation. Just be sure and watch your heroes get the shellacking they deserve.

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May 8, 2014 00:40:47   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
rumitoid wrote:
Five out of six lies; try again.


Why don't you grow up? You are marinating in your indoctrination.

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May 8, 2014 00:42:23   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
carolyn wrote:
#2 makes perfect sense if you had a brain to acknowledge it. When Obama's polls were fast sinking to lower and lower depths he announced that Libya was secure and that al Qaida was under control. This was two months before his reelection bid. So when this fiasco happened, which made his previous lie an even bigger one, he first tried to weasel out of any blame by passing it off as a simple uprising because of a video that had been passed around in Libya. But it was soon found to be a lie that Barack and Company had started to take eyes from him and Hillary, and the real reason that the terrorists had attacked our embassy.

It will all come out in the investigation. Just be sure and watch your heroes get the shellacking they deserve.
#2 makes perfect sense if you had a brain to ackno... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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May 8, 2014 06:01:37   #
rjoeholl
 
You just wish we would. Because you're very, very worried.
Inyourface wrote:
Bhengazi,oh Bhengazi. Will the GOP ever cease to feed this crap to their low IQ base?

The Bush ,crime gang is responsible for the DEATHS of up 1,000,000 human beings and dumb assed, whites just shrugged. LET IT GO YOU MORONS.

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May 8, 2014 06:14:01   #
rjoeholl
 
Oh, Christ, here you go. When all else fails, bring out the race card. Well, when you do all you're saying is that you love Onomit BECAUSE he's black. You're pathetic. This man, in following his puppet masters, is systematically reversing any progress, whatever the subject, we have made in the last 100 years. Well, I for one don't recognize his presidency so I will never "obey" his mandates.
Inyourface wrote:
You want to stay on a subject that has been debunked over and over,while ignoring heinous ,crimes against humanity .Is your racism so virulent that you discount the deaths of your fellow human beings so you can rant against that Black guy in the White House? How pathetic.

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May 8, 2014 07:29:39   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The republicans cut funding for embassy security.

mitch mcconnell and 60 minutes started the scandal story, based on lies. the reporter who started it was suspended for false story.

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There is so much propaganda going on during this administration - by both sides - that I've decided not to believe any of it. I read the article about the Congress' cuttings on the budget and I'm left with feeling that, perhaps the Benghazi incident just might have been caused by them. After all, this is the direction they've been going in since President Obama took office.

I definitely do remember, and can still see that the Republicans have just decided NOT to back anything with Obama's signature on it. I do recall the phrases, "we'll make him a one-term president," and "we have to make the White House white again," and "we will do no work during this term." That's enough to make me lean away from anything the Congress professes. They HAVE NOT done any work except attempt to defund ACA.

They've accused the President as well as his wife of being homosexual as well as transgender. Can't they see that their girls defiitely look like the parents? Or is it that these people cannot see the resemblances because "all blacks look alike!" Something new came up lately and all I can do is shake my head at the stupidity of these claims.

In addition, so much of this propaganda is just absolutely stupid. Don't they realize that they are ruining their own chances in elections? To me, that is downright stupidity! It has been proven over and over again that most of their claims have been wild. When it occurs so often, I would tend not to believe any of their claims. Another poster made the comment (I'm paraphrasing here) "If Obama could not walk on water, they would complain that he cannot swim."

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