Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

Looks accurate to me.

kemmer

Yeah, to the likes of you it would.

elledee

i have an old drive full of corrupt data...I think I'll name it straightup.....uh whats that straightup yeah you got it all figured out...yeah thanks for your infinite wisdom....NOT!!!!!!

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

Viva la difference!

straightUp Loc: California

Just want to say - I'm impressed with your willingness to face up and admit to your racism. Most racists continue to deny it. Actually, most people are racist to some extent but for some, the bigotry extends to politics and affects their vote and that's where I lose tolerance.

Thanks for confirming that Trump is indeed the racist choice and I'll just extend my sympathies now - since I know Trump has no chance in hell of winning the next election because political racists like you are actually a small minority in America (Thank God!)

I know he won in 2016 but that was something of a miracle for you folks. He lost the popular vote by 3 million. I realize that the people don't elect the president, Congress does using the EC as a proxy, but the popular vote is the true reflection of the people's will and the difference between the will of the people and the EC is a matter of political trickery through district mapping and that trickery is what put Trump in office. I won't get into the Russian influence simply because it's not possible to quantify the impact.

Don't expect that to repeat in 2020. That 3 million deficit in popular support for Trump is most likely going to be bigger this year and the bigger that deficit the more difficult it will be to compensate with trickery.

Go ahead and encourage all your friends to get out there and vote for Trump... It won't help you because your numbers are too small. Even 100% of 24% is still only 24%, which by the way is the percentage of Americans that voted for Trump in 2016... 24%. Granted not ALL of you voted but Trump's nation-wide approval rating never even got to 50% and right now it's at 40%. His average is 42%. Compared to other presidents that's a really low score.

Meanwhile, the only reason why Hillary only got 3 million more votes is because the Democrats had one of the worst voter turnouts in decades, following the Clinton-Sanders rift. I don't see that situation repeating. The Democrats are going to be in full force this year because unlike in 2016, they've had four years of watching Trump degrade America. They will be joined by a lot of Independents and even Republicans for the same reason.

A fool might get elected once on a fluke, but it's highly unlikely the same fool will be re-elected after four years of confirming his foolishness. Trump's staff knows this, which is why they are scrambling for new tricks and Trump himself is testing our response to suggestions that he may not accept the election results.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

Your losing a lot of blacks and Hispanics who are pretty religious and love law enforcement. Your losing Independents from the Antifa and BLM groups lootings and torchings. And your losing Dems who know the need for law enforcement as a hedge between the law abiding and the lawless. I wouldn't count my chickens before they hatch. You don't seem to be winning any newbies to your side. Just saying, the more people learn about Dems the more they are deserting your ranks, from what I'm seeing.

straightUp Loc: California

Why are you asking me? Did you drop out of school before they told you or do you just not remember? OK, I'll tell you but I want you to answer a question of my own.

First... The U.S. Constitution is essentially a blueprint for the republic that governs us. As such, the rules within apply to the government (not the people). There is no stated rule about who the Constitution "belongs" to but there is a general notion that it "belongs" to the people for which the government serves.

Since your political view is based on general notions, I figure this must make sense to you.

OK. Now for my question...

What exactly do you think a soviet is?

straightUp Loc: California

Nah, I'm just an average guy who calls a duck a duck. After four years of Trump-related squabbling it doesn't take a genius to figure out the motives prevalent among trump-supporters. I never actually said that every Trump supporter is a racist. I did suggest that bigotry (of which racism is one variation) is a common characteristic among all Trump supporters but that's because I forgot to consider people who for a lack of intelligence just follow what others tell them.


Yes - not very. I listen to Trump supporters and I try to understand their view, which is never difficult because those views are always so simple. I ask questions and I consider the responses. The idea that bigotry plays such a predominant role didn't develop in my mind overnight. I resisted for a long time, looking for other reasons. But in four years I have yet to meet one single Trump supporter that can present an intelligent and compelling reason to support him.

You are more than welcome to be the first. Go ahead and tell me why YOU think I should vote for Trump. I will consider your response if it's serious one and not just an insult or a wisecrack.


Yes - it appears that way.


Yes, there will be a lot of votes cast against Trump out of hatred for him of course but there is also a lot of focus on actual issues and that's what the Democratic Platform is emphasizing, not forgetting that saving America from Trump is indeed a big campaign message.

One of the bigger differences that I am seeing between the left and right is in the tolerance or even the acknowledgement of Trump's violations of protocol and human decency.

The fact that Republicans refused to hear witnesses during the impeachment trial for instance... That was a damaging precedent to set no matter what excuses people came up with. The idea that a president is above the law is another dangerous precedent and Trump's policy on the border has put the U.S. on human rights watch lists for the first time in history. I could go on but you get the idea. These are not the kind of conspiracy theories that the right depends on to demonize the left, these are things that actually happened in plain sight.

Liberals are concerned about these violations while conservatives make excuses for them. Why? Is there another motive more compelling than our constitutional safeguards against tyranny? More compelling than basic human rights? When I look for that answer in the opinions of Trump-supporters I see much more concern about vague generalizations like "making America Great Again", "draining the swamp" and getting rid of the "raccoons".

In another thread, I recently mentioned the USAToday feature article called Trump Nation where 103 Americans explained their reasons for voting for Trump. None of them mentioned a single policy, problem or promise. The reasons they did mention were vague and presumptuous, like "He's a straight-talker" or "He's a businessman" and of course the hatred for Hillary.

So, I turn to Trump's rallies to see what he brings up. What I see people reacting to more than anything else is when he attacks certain demographics especially liberals. I don't remember any other president doing this. Clinton, Bush, Obama - they always addressed the American people as one nation. They never had rallies where only their supporters show up and they never made nasty comments about the people in political opposition. But Trump does and he gets standing ovations for it - and the nastier he gets the more pumped up his audience gets. I watched it happen many times.

This is what leads us to believe that even though both sides are guilty of some bigotry and hatred. The Trump rallies really drive home the realization that what is far more compelling than the issues I've mentioned is an attack on other Americans they don't like.

The conversations on this forum don't help matters. Wolf counselor came right out and admitted to being a racists on the first page of this thread right before saying he will vote for Trump. https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/tpr?p=3367979&t=189856


What - hating Trump? Well, it certainly helps influence votes - any Trump-supporter should know this. But I think the winning platform is a concern for the future, like how to give ALL Americans access to affordable healthcare, protecting the environment, better defense against viral outbreaks and a restoration of human rights at the border.

It seems the vast majority of Americans share these concerns while Trump support is less than 40% right now. So you tell me. Do you think Trump's platform is a winning one?

straightUp Loc: California

Relatively speaking - it's not that many.


LOL - A few if any. Most Independents know that what Trump and Fox News has been saying about Antifa and BLM is BS.


I think most Dems know better than to fall for the idiot notion that law enforcement is under any threat.


Apparently you aren't paying attention. Democratic registration is breaking records right now.


Well, when you wake up, look again.

straightUp Loc: California

I like how at the end of his post he says "hate is therapeutic". I wonder if that was a freudian slip.

elledee

the actual numbers tell the real story.Trump has 90% of the republican vote he has over 3/4 of the military,police and first res-ponders....throw in almost 30% of the black vote and all the lib-prog, entitled, victimized,the world owes me looters and moochers won' put creepy grandpa bad finger in the white house. Earlier I spoke of your infinite wisdom now after reading more of your posts I realize that should have been idiot wisdom.....Its obvious after getting you to elect someone without a birth certificate now why not get you to vote for someone without a brain..... In other news the Trump train keeps rolling for the tax paying producing law biding American people....MAGA

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

straightUp Loc: California

LOL - Whether or not Trump has 3/4 of the military (which is only 3% of the population) or the police really doesn't matter if you're using that 90% figure because you can't vote as a cop and then vote again as a Republican. So let's talk about that 90%, which I assume is based on Trump's approval rating among Republicans.

First, let me remind you that Trump got 89% of the Republican vote in 2016 and was still beat out by 3 million votes during an election in which the Democrats suffered one of their lowest turnouts on record.

Since then, Trump's brew of incompetence, brutality and disregard for our Constitution has encouraged a blue wave of new Democratic registration. We saw this as early as 2018 when Democrats took back the House and gained seats in the Senate. (Also, keep in mind, that even if Trump does win he will still be neutralized and probably removed from office if Republicans don't also keep the Senate. So you really have to win both - Like everything else in his life, Trump can't do it on his own.)

But it doesn't look like that will matter anyway since the blue wave hasn't stopped growing and not even those new black votes for Trump add up to the number of Republicans jumping ship. The Democrats are now ahead by 12 million registered voters. The average breakdown across the states is 40% Democrat, 28% Republican and 29% Independent. As of a few days ago, the Independents have overtaken the Republicans for the first time in history.

These are the numbers that count. It doesn't matter how many in these numbers are racist cops, brain-washed soldiers or confused black people - all that matters is the total number of voters.

This trend isn't slowing down either... The Never Trump Republicans that were marginalized for the past few years are now getting a boost from Trump's utter failure to handle the pandemic and protect the economy and the conservative Lincoln Project has raised $17 million in opposition to Trump.


LOL - the fact that some people were stupid enough to fall for Trump's birther conspiracy had nothing to do with my support for Obama and to be honest, I'd rather have a president without a brain than a patsy for Putin. Fortunately, we have Biden... He may be getting a little senile which is why he wasn't the first choice for many of us but he has the network and the respect among real professionals to assemble a far better administration which will include qualified advisors that he will actually listen to.


More like... the Trump train keeps rolling OVER the tax paying, producing, law [abiding] people of America and I guess it's up to the liberals (who pay most of the taxes in this country, BTW) to stop that train and save the American people.

Cuda2020

For a four letter word, yeah, better yet...hell yeah, now, can I get an Amen? lol

We never really think as Trump as a good listener, but there are some things he completely tunes in on, and in the Obama years he was listening to what the right continued to shout, he in his campaign run shouted it right back to them and there lies the bond and loyalty, they thought they finally had a candidate that truly understood them and was NOT a politician, I guess many not knowing the Corporate world. Hence he got their vote, democrats were split between Bernie and Hillary, and he won. God knows they are *all in* for it now, in for a penny in for a pound, and he has their literal blind loyalty.

For the life of me I don't understand this deniability of this new right...why? They couls get behind someone else, anyone, with more integrity, more loyalty, not only for our country but more to the fact, it's citizens.

But you are correct, the bond they have towards each other, does seem to be the common thread of who to hate. Of, who here, do they declare does not belong. That IS the new right.

This coming election we won't see that happen again, this time the left is united with one aim, to oust Trump.

Cuda2020

That 90% of a 34% base and that's being generous.