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Jul 23, 2020 14:15:44   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
So. You can speak for the dead, sUp?

Why would I need to speak for the dead? You asked about people who are here.

If you want to ask dead people you probably need shout louder so they can hear your question - LOL

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Jul 23, 2020 14:21:45   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
Why would I need to speak for the dead? You asked about people who are here.

If you want to ask dead people you probably need shout louder so they can hear your question - LOL


Abortions had no voice.
You really did not understand my point, sUp?

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Jul 23, 2020 14:50:30   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Abortions had no voice.
You really did not understand my point, sUp?

LOL - is THAT what you were trying to say?

With this...?

I wonder how many pro-abortionists here, are here because their Moms weren't?

Seriously, how the hell do you expect anyone to read THAT as... aborted babies had no voice? It takes me at least four shots of whiskey and two pints before I can be THAT incoherent with my words. - LOL

Anyway - thanks for your brilliant observation. It's good to let people know that embryos don't get a say in whether they get aborted or not, just in case they don't already know that.

I would add that making abortion illegal won't change that. I mean... you don't actually think that overturning Roe vs Wade means the unborn will get cell phones to call their mother so they can say they don't want to be aborted with a coat hanger do you?

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Jul 23, 2020 14:57:39   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
LOL - is THAT what you were trying to say?

With this...?

I wonder how many pro-abortionists here, are here because their Moms weren't?

Seriously, how the hell do you expect anyone to read THAT as... aborted babies had no voice?

It takes me at least four shots of whiskey and two pints before I can be THAT incoherent with my words. - LOL


sUp; If you can't figure it out.
I will let some one else to splain it to you.

"I wonder how many pro-abortionists here; are here (alive) because their Moms weren't for abortion?

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Jul 23, 2020 15:14:59   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
sUp; If you can't figure it out.
I will let some one else to splain it to you.

Dude - NO ONE can figure out the sentence you wrote. It's just really bad writing. Maybe you were in a rush.

eagleye13 wrote:

"I wonder how many pro-abortionists here; are here (alive) because their Moms weren't for abortion?

Well, at least your corrections make it a complete sentence, but there's still no connection to dead people. You even added the word "alive" to emphasize what I had already assumed from your fragmented sentence that you're talking about live people ...who are "here".

And I answered your question with an honest answer that I'm sure threw you because you folks are so used to assuming pro-choice means pro-abortion. So when I mentioned myself and my two kids being born to pro-choice mothers, well that kinda screws it up doesn't it?

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Jul 23, 2020 15:18:19   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
Well, at least your corrections make it a complete sentence, but there's still no connection to dead people. You even added the word "alive" to emphasize what I had already assumed from your fragmented sentence that you're talking about live people ...who are "here".

And I answered your question with an honest answer that I'm sure threw you because you folks are so used to assuming pro-choice means pro-abortion. So when I mentioned myself and my two kids being born to pro-choice mothers, well that kinda screws it up doesn't it?
Well, at least your corrections make it a complete... (show quote)


Who thinks ALL pro choice mothers want to abort their children.
Not me.

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Jul 23, 2020 16:11:22   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Who thinks ALL pro choice mothers want to abort their children.
Not me.


Then why do you refer to them as pro-abortionists?

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Jul 23, 2020 16:17:36   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
Then why do you refer to them as pro-abortionists?


Speaking in generalities.

Not your typical church goers.

Ever see their parades? LOL

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Jul 23, 2020 20:30:26   #
son of witless
 
straightUp wrote:
What are you talking about? That's a horrible rationalization! Where's the reason?

You gotta have the reason or it's not a rationalization.

Pro-choice is helping to minimize the suffering of the unborn by...

Preventing the situation that prohibition would create where the same number of unwanted pregnancies occur because it's not illegal to GET pregnant, it's illegal to UNGET pregnant. Therefore...

* Of those unwanted pregnancies (due to the compliance of the mothers) some number will carry through to birth resulting in a wave of inconvenient babies.

* Other unwanted pregnancies will be terminated illegally. Due to the delays typical in illegal activity, most of them will be late-term or even full-term which we know means more suffering for the fetus.

Continuing with the scenario... without any regulation there is no guarantee that these abortions won't kill both the baby and the mother. And no one will even know because illegal activities don't get recorded.

I won't make assumptions about the numbers but I think it's safe to say that the notion that any significant number of women get pregnant simply because they know they can get an abortion is retarded. Even the idiots that get pregnant repeatedly aren't doing it for that reason - they're just idiots that keep getting pregnant. So, I think it's safe to say there won't be any significant decrease in unwanted pregnancies.

I won't make assumptions about how many mothers will choose which path either, but I'm pretty certain that the number of illegal abortions will be significant and whatever that number is - that would be the number of unborn babies saved from greater suffering by the humanists on the pro-choice side.

...As the religious fanatics snarl and howl, waving their crosses and scriptures in thunderous persecution.
What are you talking about? That's a horrible rati... (show quote)




" pro-choice is helping to minimize the suffering of the unborn."

Even the best lives have suffering. Some of us die young. The " lucky " live to a ripe old age. All the " lucky " have done is defer some of their suffering. The longer one lives, the more opportunity for suffering.

If you kill me when I am an infant, you have minimized my suffering. I still suffer the pain of death, but you have eliminated all of the pain, loss, and heart break that is part of an average life.

Rationalizing is explaining something bad by making excuses. The goal is to make a person feel good when their better judgement tells them they should be ashamed and feel bad.

When I said Excellent Rationalization, I judged that the goal was met very well.

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Jul 23, 2020 21:26:08   #
Rose42
 
straightUp wrote:
...Says the angry poster who has yet to counter any of my arguments with anything other than insults and dismissal. LOL


Not angry. You’re often silly with your presumptions. And yes I have countered some of your arguments as have others.

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Jul 24, 2020 08:10:14   #
Cuda2020
 
Rose42 wrote:
Didn't you claim to be a Christian?


Yes, but then we can get into the tedious conversation of what it means to be a Christian and I'm not going to do that but I will simply tell you, I was brought up Catholic, which means the belief in Christ is is deeply in-bedded in my conditioning and core beliefs but I have evolved from those restrictions and conformations and I would imagine, from reading your posts it would be quite different from how you define being a Christian as I don't follow any organized Church nor the indoctrination that goes along with it.

Yes, I believe, Jesus Christ was the son of God, (whatever God is, him being a father is a metaphor and not literal) and we are all children of God. I believe in the fundamentals teachings of JC of love and compassion and not the many edited versions of scriptures from a book written by an accumulation of men in the mindset of thousands of years ago.

Being a Christian for me, is not about keeping rules and regulations, performing rituals, or even going to church. It's a about the relationship I personally have with spirit.

I was married to a Jew for thirty two years and that opened my mind quite a bit, then not to mention the continued readings on my own, but this thread is not about me nor religion so let us not deviate Rose.

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Jul 24, 2020 08:12:52   #
Cuda2020
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Speaking in generalities.

Not your typical church goers.

Ever see their parades? LOL


Yes, and that opinion was formed by what credible information, lol.

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Jul 24, 2020 08:57:40   #
Rose42
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Yes, but then we can get into the tedious conversation of what it means to be a Christian and I'm not going to do that but I will simply tell you, I was brought up Catholic, which means the belief in Christ is is deeply in-bedded in my conditioning and core beliefs but I have evolved from those restrictions and conformations and I would imagine, from reading your posts it would be quite different from how you define being a Christian as I don't follow any organized Church nor the indoctrination that goes along with it.

Yes, I believe, Jesus Christ was the son of God, (whatever God is, him being a father is a metaphor and not literal) and we are all children of God. I believe in the fundamentals teachings of JC of love and compassion and not the many edited versions of scriptures from a book written by an accumulation of men in the mindset of thousands of years ago.

Being a Christian for me, is not about keeping rules and regulations, performing rituals, or even going to church. It's a about the relationship I personally have with spirit.

I was married to a Jew for thirty two years and that opened my mind quite a bit, then not to mention the continued readings on my own, but this thread is not about me nor religion so let us not deviate Rose.
Yes, but then we can get into the tedious conversa... (show quote)


I wasn't going to get into the "what it means to be a Christian" argument. I saw the comment that the bible is a collection of poorly written stories (not made by you) and a couple other false statements and that's why I asked.

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Jul 24, 2020 09:38:55   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Rose42 wrote:
I wasn't going to get into the "what it means to be a Christian" argument. I saw the comment that the bible is a collection of poorly written stories (not made by you) and a couple other false statements and that's why I asked.


These guys make me think about the scriptures referring to weeping and gnashing of teeth. Many people have followed, and will be following, the “wide” path. Until the HS draws them they will not “see”!

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Jul 24, 2020 12:27:52   #
Cuda2020
 
Rose42 wrote:
I wasn't going to get into the "what it means to be a Christian" argument. I saw the comment that the bible is a collection of poorly written stories (not made by you) and a couple other false statements and that's why I asked.


But if I didn't make that comment Rose, why'd you ask me?

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