straightUp Loc: California

There is plenty to bash both sides for but I thought we were talking about abortions. Your words seem to suggest that abortions are merely an excuse among many to bash the left.


How about looking at the records for a change instead of squawking parrots? All the actual evidence proves the Democrats to be far more responsible with money. This has become an inherent difference between the two parties. Democrats raise taxes so they can spend from revenue, as suggested by the Constitution. Republicans on the other hand, cut taxes so they can win elections and then borrow money they want to spend which then gets added to the national debt. This is why the deficit rises when Republicans are in control and levels out when Democrats are in control. 8 years of Clinton and we have a surplus. 8 years of Bush and we have the biggest economic crash since 1929. 8 years of Obama and the economy is doing better than ever. 4 years of Trump and it's crashing again.

So tell me... On what planet are the Republicans the fiscally responsible party?


You might want to pick a different "eg". I am very familiar with the immigration issues and Trump is the only one breaking immigration laws.


Yes, these are intertwined. Tribalism and identity politics are everywhere and it's usually a matter of intelligence not politics. But government offices always made the effort to rise above it... That is until Trump came along... The first president to ever play into tribalism. That's because he knows he doesn't have the ability to win people over with anything sensible so instead he leverages the emotional power of bigotry and tribalism by stoking their fires. We all know he does this. It's not like he hides it.


Again, the right wins here hands down. The left isn't making excuses for white supremacy the right is and just you try to find a white supremacist who calls himself a leftist - they don't even exist. I don't see leftists pushing for laws against gay marriage either, that intolerance is 100% conservative. Conservatives are synonymous with intolerance. There entire platform is based on an intolerance for change.


I don't think so. Half the military votes Democrat. If anything the left is wary of the right-wing obsession with waging war all the time. The left would like to see more of that money being spent on things like education and healthcare. If you're confusing that with a contempt for the military... well, you have problems.


Again, we can find this on both sides. In fact there is no greater example of contempt for the law than the stand-off with the Bundys a few years back and the Bundy's are NOT leftists, trust me, but they did break the law and they did level their weapons at law enforcement officers. If that's not contempt I don't know what is.

If you are trying referring to the current protests and the calls for defunding. I don't think you understand what's really going on. It's not contempt for law enforcement. It's contempt for abusive law enforcement. Huge difference, but not useful for your twisted narrative.


Since most Americans on the left are tax paying citizens that would mean they are in utter contempt of themselves. LOL...

debeda

Uh huh. You accused someone of avoiding issues and nattering about abortion. So I gave you some more stuff to yammer about. Good job.

Rose42

He is good at yip yapping. A smattering of truth mixed with...other things. Lol

straightUp Loc: California

No, that's not what I said. (I was wondering why all of a sudden you came up with this laundry list of BS out of the blue.) I accused someone of avoiding the facts by simply brushing them aside and asserting that his opinion is the truth (as if that somehow invalidates the facts).

It's getting late... Maybe it's time for you to put the phone down. Relax, watch some Hee-Haw or whatever you old country folks like to watch. ;)

debeda

Yep! Piles of...other things🤣

debeda

Lolololhahahaha not a lot of Hee Haw in Chicago. Maybe I'll throw in some popcorn and watch the peaceful protesters burn something.....

straightUp Loc: California

Voter fraud is real but proven cases are extremely rare. There are between 10 to 300 cases of documented voter fraud from 2000 to 2012, so about .0000004% of the total registered voters over the same period. And in 2016, despite Trump's claim that the 3.5 million votes that Hillary got over what he got were all fraudulent votes from illegal immigrants, there was in actuality only four cases and here's the kicker... they were all Republicans.

Now, I'm aware that some "databases" claim thousands of fraudulent votes such as the Heritage database but I have also studied the database that Kris Kobach was trying to mandate but the states wouldn't agree because of the glaring problems and obvious partisanship.

It's an interesting system in which first and last names were supposed to be used in conjunction with social security numbers to make comparisons across states to make sure no one is voting in two states. But they ran matches without SSNs and delivered the results. So any two people with the same first and last names living in two different states were marked as one fraudulent voter. There is suspicion that this was intentional because there are many more Latinos sharing the same names than white people, but that was never proven, and thankfully Kobachs BS system was never accepted by the states.

But that won't stop similar systems from generating overblown statistics based on misinformation and partisan shenanigans.

straightUp Loc: California

Protesters don't do that. Or at least that's what Mike Pence said. I dunno, I can't keep up with with all the misinformation rifling around on the right. They can't even keep their own stories straight. Trump's staff can't even keep their stories straight.

But I think the point Pence was making is that those destroying property are not true protesters but hoodlums and I'm going to agree. BLM and the protesters supporting their cause are interested in change not violence. But there are those who take such opportunity to break windows and loot. These people have no association with BLM they are simply out for their own gain or maybe even the thrill. There are also the detractors with a political mission in mind that will destroy property for the sole purpose of discrediting the protests. Several of them have recently been arrested in Philadelphia.

Just saying.

Anyway, enjoy your popcorn.

Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa

debeda

That's it🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

sUp; Use butter on your popcorn.

Fascism & Communism are both Totalitarian
The NWO/Bilderberg agenda uses both systems
To study their agenda - Google: “CFR,TC,Bilderberg group”

*Council on Foreign Relations CFR & Trilateral Commission TC Background & Quotes*
“An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack" – Richard Gardner ,
Ambassador to Italy - quoted in (CFR)Foreign Affairs, April, 1974

“Actions at the multinational level will be needed, if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion…….”
TC Report #23, 1982

Big Money controls both parties by installing vetted CFR members
CFR members are very tightly affiliated with the U.S. government. Since 1940, every U.S. secretary of state (except for Gov. James Byrnes of South Carolina, the sole exception) has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and/or its younger brother, the Trilateral Commission. Also since 1940, every secretary of war and every secretary of defense has been a CFR member. During most of its existence, the Central Intelligence Agency has been headed by CFR members. Virtually every key U.S. national security and foreign policy adviser has been a CFR member for the past seventy years.
Zbigniew Brzezinski formed Trilateral Commission for David Rockefeller in 1973, and Jimmy Carter was made a founding member. Jimmy Carter became President,
& ZB became Carter's National Security Adviser. ZB was also an Obama advisor

ZB - Referring to the rivalry between the USSR and the United States – “The eventual outcome of the competition is however, foreordained, given the inherent superiority of the communist system “ - 'Between Two Ages' (1970 - ps.146,147
“The Federal Reserve (privately owned banks) are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known.” – Senator Louis T. McFadden (22 years on the U.S. Banking & Currency Commission) Google : Louis T. McFadden, Congressional Record, Fed expose
Great book on NWO agenda – ‘The World Order’ by Eustace Mullins at Amazon

Both parties have put America in debt $28 Trillion to the Lenders

Restoration and use of US Notes, without paying interest to the banking cabal, is the only solution.
Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Jackson did it; John F. Kennedy started to.

Trump broke the CFR monopoly on our “representatives”.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

You’re forgetting what Obama did to the deficit.

Radiance3

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Something is grossly wrong with the brain of straightup.
Claimed that most people of the left are taxpaying? Trying to twist the facts. Ridiculous and shameful. Here are the people of the left straightup. One of them is you.
1.They are the 46 million that Obama feed with Food Stamps.
2.They are the 25 to 31 million illegal aliens that the left wanted to vote.
3. They are the people populating all the homeless cities of NYC, Seattle, Oregon, Chicago, San Francisco, Baltimore, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, and most of the people loving in the cities under democrat mayors.
4. They are the BLM'S, Antifas, Ms. Gang13.
5. They are the abortionist democrat women.
6. They are the 77% black women making so many babies without husbands.
7. They are the Sanctuary cities residents.
8. They are the drug addicts, drug dealers, convicts, criminals.
9. They are the thugs/mobs causing violence, and one of them is de Blasio of NYC.
10. They are the looters/stealers, violent thugs burning cities, and government and private properties.
11. They are 24/7 handouts.
12. They are the convicted criminals.

These are the people of the left. The huge social problems that plague our country today.
One of them is straightup.

Cuda2020

Quite typical, you are fine with offensive verbal diatribe to the left, but not so fine when flung backatcha, got it. My point taken.

Cuda2020

That was a slip