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May 12, 2020 11:10:45   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
JFlorio wrote:
Just showing that the mortality rates have always been there. We are just now paying attention to it. Interesting to see how much they change after this virus. Might end up the new normal.


Might.... But in the chart provided there were a couple of Nordic nations with higher mortality rates than Sweden... Which isn't true for the corona virus mortalities...

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May 12, 2020 11:31:13   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Might.... But in the chart provided there were a couple of Nordic nations with higher mortality rates than Sweden... Which isn't true for the corona virus mortalities...


If I read an article correctly the other day over half of Swedens deaths are in Nursing home and or elderly. Not that those deaths aren't tragic but opening up the economy generally affects the least vulnerable group.

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May 12, 2020 12:21:55   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
JFlorio wrote:
Don’t see how you can say that with a straight face. Everything Trumps done has been backed by science. The science and the models are constantly changing but the trouble with you and your ilk Is you only see two choices. Either stay at home until a vaccine is produced. Even though the average time to develop a workable vaccine is about five years. Or, open up the economy and everyone go back to work. There is a third choice. Spend most resources protecting the most vulnerable and let each state open it’s economy as they see fit. People are going to die from this virus. People Can also die from loss of income and freedoms Just basing your decision on science is stupid. Economics happen to be as important as science right now.
Don’t see how you can say that with a straight fac... (show quote)


You lost me at two phrases, JF:

"Everything Trumps done has been backed by science"

and

"Just basing your decision on science is stupid"

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May 12, 2020 12:32:46   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
PaulPisces wrote:
You lost me at two phrases, JF:

"Everything Trumps done has been backed by science"

and

"Just basing your decision on science is stupid"


My bad. Explained that poorly. He is following the recommendations of the "pandemic team." He is also listening to economic advisers and trying to give governors the necessary information to decide when to open. My point is that just considering one of these disciplines will not work. To base your decisions on simply science or economics would be stupid.

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May 12, 2020 13:15:12   #
bestpal38 Loc: Cedar City, Utah
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
He's not blaming him for the virus...

He's blaming him for his response to the virus...

Governments have responsibilities...


My god you have become a liberal!! Communist China is getting to your mind brother

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May 12, 2020 13:36:10   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Hindsight is always 20/20.
I'm assuming, because of where you live, and your ultra-conservative stance, that you are older.
(I realize this may not be the case)

As far as I can tell, the current administration appears to be saying older people are expendable in this pandemic. Reopening states with no regard for the science of what could happen to vulnerable populations is a clear indication to me that some folks are less valuable than others (or money)


No their not you can't destroy a country to protect the old folks WHO are not stupid I'm old have all the little problems that excite this virus. We older folks are a hell of a lot smarter then you think that's why we're old WE know our risks and we are smart enough avoid going out to large gatherings to wear a mask when shopping. I have already excepted and told my children this year I'll be staying home no bowlin/no movies just going to dr. appt the golden years are taking a big hit stay safe paul

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May 12, 2020 15:50:14   #
son of witless
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I mean, really!!!!!!


Another false premise, but since you went that way, lets us continue. The premise being that everything which happens during a Presidency is the President's fault. By those standards, we should declare Barak Hussein Obama, as the single biggest polluter in American history. 130 million gallons of crude oil went into the Gulf of Mexico under his watch.

Donald Trump has not dumped one drop of oil into any waterway.

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May 12, 2020 16:07:12   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
son of witless wrote:
Another false premise, but since you went that way, lets us continue. The premise being that everything which happens during a Presidency is the President's fault. By those standards, we should declare Barak Hussein Obama, as the single biggest polluter in American history. 130 million gallons of crude oil went into the Gulf of Mexico under his watch.

Donald Trump has not dumped one drop of oil into any waterway.


Great analogy.

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May 12, 2020 16:18:03   #
son of witless
 
JFlorio wrote:
Great analogy.


I use it all of the time. They constantly wish to blame Republican Presidents for everything bad, which occurs during their term, so okay the easiest thing to point out about Obama is the BP oil spill. If a Republican had been President they would have hung it around his neck.

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May 12, 2020 16:51:29   #
Abel
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I mean, really!!!!!!


IMHO: If the USA comes out of this virus with only 200,000 deaths from COVID-19 we should all cheer. That's only 0.053 percent of the population, which is statistically insignificant, a tempest in a teapot. I feel sorry for those families who suffered deaths due to the virus, but overall the USA is doing quite well, and I hope we can keep it up. From what I see in various stores where I've gone into, myself gagged and gloved, only about 50 percent of the customers are bothering to protect themselves or others with a mask or gloves, which is rather selfish of them as well as being reckless and uncooperative with little to no common sense or consideration for others.

I have little fear of death or the virus even though at my age I am at greater risk, but then, I won't stand in front of a tree that is being cut down. If the virus gets me, it gets me, and that's OK, but I will continue to wear my mask and gloves rather than trying to maintain foolish and selfish macho status. After all, seeing me masked and gloved makes others feel better.

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May 12, 2020 18:41:32   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Abel wrote:
IMHO: If the USA comes out of this virus with only 200,000 deaths from COVID-19 we should all cheer. That's only 0.053 percent of the population, which is statistically insignificant, a tempest in a teapot. I feel sorry for those families who suffered deaths due to the virus, but overall the USA is doing quite well, and I hope we can keep it up. From what I see in various stores where I've gone into, myself gagged and gloved, only about 50 percent of the customers are bothering to protect themselves or others with a mask or gloves, which is rather selfish of them as well as being reckless and uncooperative with little to no common sense or consideration for others.

I have little fear of death or the virus even though at my age I am at greater risk, but then, I won't stand in front of a tree that is being cut down. If the virus gets me, it gets me, and that's OK, but I will continue to wear my mask and gloves rather than trying to maintain foolish and selfish macho status. After all, seeing me masked and gloved makes others feel better.
IMHO: If the USA comes out of this virus with only... (show quote)




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May 12, 2020 20:19:22   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
bestpal38 wrote:
My god you have become a liberal!! Communist China is getting to your mind brother


Cheers brother...

But China is not a liberal country... Far from it...

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May 12, 2020 20:19:59   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Abel wrote:
IMHO: If the USA comes out of this virus with only 200,000 deaths from COVID-19 we should all cheer. That's only 0.053 percent of the population, which is statistically insignificant, a tempest in a teapot. I feel sorry for those families who suffered deaths due to the virus, but overall the USA is doing quite well, and I hope we can keep it up. From what I see in various stores where I've gone into, myself gagged and gloved, only about 50 percent of the customers are bothering to protect themselves or others with a mask or gloves, which is rather selfish of them as well as being reckless and uncooperative with little to no common sense or consideration for others.

I have little fear of death or the virus even though at my age I am at greater risk, but then, I won't stand in front of a tree that is being cut down. If the virus gets me, it gets me, and that's OK, but I will continue to wear my mask and gloves rather than trying to maintain foolish and selfish macho status. After all, seeing me masked and gloved makes others feel better.
IMHO: If the USA comes out of this virus with only... (show quote)


Stay safe

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May 12, 2020 22:10:09   #
Seth
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Cheers brother...

But China is not a liberal country... Far from it...


Ah, but the problem, you see, is that the so-called "liberals" and "progressives" here in America lean towards the tenets of communism just the same, and their policy of using the courts to push their social and day-to-day regulatory preferences on the rest of us, their attempts to silence opposing views on social media while propagandizing via the news media and "revising" our history in public schools all indicate the same totalitarian state of mind as that found in any card carrying Communist.

They believe that a supersized, omnipotent, omniscient police state should be in charge of our everyday affairs, tell us what to believe and what we may eat and drink.

Naturally, these supporters of the above have no clue what they would be getting themselves and the rest of us into, but then again there was a good reason such individuals were once termed "useful fools" by our worst and most malevolent enemy.

Since the Democratic Party was taken over by leftists, whose goal is to have a government just like China's and who are more patriotic toward our enemies and potential enemies than they are towards America, and since their corrupt political leaders have all become rich using their elected positions to collaborate with China behind the scenes, our homegrown Communists will do whatever they can to help China have its way with America.

I hope that clears things up some.

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May 12, 2020 22:37:15   #
teabag09
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I don't blame anyone personally for the deaths... Many could have been avoided, certainly...

But Trump is not alone in being responsible for the nation... The entire government shares that responsibility...

By that same measure, Trump is not without blame either...

The thing is that the world has not been hit with something like this in a century... Many governments weren't prepared...

Now is not a time for blame, but for unity and strength...


Your last sentence is the truth. We're all in this together and some are over reacting more than others. Mike

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