straightUp Loc: California

Interesting... It's good to know when your language fails to make the connection.

I was in fact being as literal as possible. If you don't mind me getting technical, it's a matter of constraint, where you can take absolute words like "never" and constrain their application to specific cases. For instance, when someone tells you "never cross the street without looking" they don't actually mean that you should never cross the street... they just mean that you should never cross the street - without looking.

And when I said "200+ years later" I was effectively (or so I thought), excluding those Americans who fought for independence by virtue of the fact that they all died before that 200 year mark.

Of course I could be even more annoying and point out that George Washington, who was at one time a Redcoat always, considered himself an Englishman. ;)

straightUp Loc: California

This is a point I keep trying to bring up. Not just the East India Company but the Virginia Company, the Plymouth Company and many more were in fact London-based corporations and the colonies were their private property. Adam Smith, the British economist often referred to as the Father of Capitalism, published his landmark Wealth of Nations in 1776.

The point of bringing this up is to challenge the institutionalized narrative that the fight for a republic was a fight against monarchy because it takes away from the realization that it was really a fight against corporate tyranny and the republic was thought to be a way to give the people a better chance at self-determination.



Today that sentiment translates to "socialist conspiracy".

Cuda2020

Hey man, if we always agree, something just ain't right, lol

Cuda2020

It is interesting, and maybe explains how things go so astray on opp. You see when someone says to me, don't cross the street without looking, I in no way equated that to never crossing the street.? Am I missing something here? For example, even at a very young age living near the ocean and we'd go to the beach, my mother would say, "don't go swimming right after you eat, you can get a stomach cramp. I never took that as not to go swimming at all. Are you saying that our comprehension is so inept that we can't tie these two conceptions together and understand it's full meaning? If this is true we're in deep trouble buddy,
how have we survived? lol. As you can see I can be just as annoying

Well sure, why should George or anybody for that matter, give up their heritage, whoever said you had to do that to be an American. Like you, technically my family hasn't been here that long either, though just a bit longer than yours by one generation. It was only my grandfather and grandmother, who arrived, though his sons, and their sons, have already fought for America. I also believe many times immigrants value being an American, more than many born and bred Americans.

Cuda2020

A quote from Jefferson I've always appreciated, taking out the revolution, Jefferson is right on the money. I read this as a warning to capitalism that goes gone unchecked or unreined, I don't know how anyone can tag this as a socialist conspiracy theory, where are the lending institutions or corporations spreading the wealth?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Party politics: “The Fix” was in until Trump broke the mold::
The majority of Americans were disgusted with our government “representatives”, and what was happening in America. The frustration had been spreadin but, this time, Americans did not fall for “The Fix”. It became obvious something had to change; but what? To solve any problem, “the root cause” must be discovered, understood, exposed, and eliminated.
In the realm of politics; exposing “the root cause” of America’s decline on any significant scale, has been unattainable. Almost all major media is directed and controlled by “the root cause” which sets “The Fix”.
Decade after decade, and election after election; too many voters had fallen for “The Fix”. They either didn’t vote out of disgust; or they voted for “the lesser of two evils”. This syndrome had put America where it is today, and evil continued to prosper. Give thought to “The Fix”. The Democratic Party promotes a variety of liberals/socialists, (“progressives”), and the Republican Party promotes a variety of “Conservatives” (old line conservatives, and covert global socialists/NeoCONS; The Bushes and their “New World Order” are two examples). Under both parties, our Constitutional Republic (not democracy), had been decimated. The Constitution and the principles that made our country the most prosperous, and the envy of the world, had been replaced with a semi-covert agenda for global socialism.
Few Americans understand the purpose of the globalist agenda; but most politicians believe in it, or have sold out to it. That is why their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution have been meaningless to most of them.
“The Root Cause” of our country’s decline; is the privately owned Federal Reserve System (banks), and their control of our money and economy. The perpetrators are the Internationalist Banking Cabal, whose policy it is, to create a global socialist “New World Order”.
With their vast wealth, media control (ownership), control of (“public”) education, and control of the party apparatus; they have been able to ensure that both parties nominated candidates that would carry out their agenda. With this control, the people fell for “The Fix”; out of disgust they either didn’t vote, or they felt compelled to vote for “the lesser of two evils”, – banker backed “A” or “B”. all other parties were ignored.
The voters are told, “no one else can win”, (“don’t Waste your vote); now the scam was to convince the voters “who is the most electable against Obama”. It had to be someone the Bankers knew they could control, to ensure that their agenda was carried out.). That agenda is a One World totalitarian socialist dictatorship, administered by their front men. I will as concisely as possible back this statement up with their own writings, and try to stir the readers to give this letter thought and thus, renounce the NWO agenda.
Both parties executive cabinets (national security advisors) are filled with members of “the Council on Foreign Relations” (CFR) and “the Trilateral Commission” (TC)). John D. Rockefeller formed the (CFR) in early 1920’s, and David Rockefeller formed the TC in 1973. David Rockefeller’s chief foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, put the organization together for his boss. Jimmy Carter was made a TC founding member. After Carter was elected president, he filled his cabinet with CFR/TC members, with Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy “advisor”. Reagan’s cabinet began with fewer (CFR) members, but many non (CFR) members were drummed out of office. (with the help of the liberal MSM). When Reagan finished office, most were again CFR/TC members. Bush senior is a Trilateralist and 9 of 11 of his national security council are (CFR) members. Bill Clinton is a CFR/TC member, and attended the Bilderberg meeting last year. P. Volker, A. Greenspan, H. Kissinger, Robert Strange McNamara are but a few of the high officials that belong to the CFR, TC, and the Bilderberg Group.
To show where these people and organizations are coming from I quote: TC report #23, 1982 – “… actions at the multinational level will be needed if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion …” (a policy to deindustrialize America) Now; please really reflect on what has happened under both parties CFR/TC administrations and Congresses.
Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in his book, “between two ages” p. 72 (1970) - “Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external active man over the inner passive man, and a victory of reason over belief.” This man, a Democrat and Henry Kissinger, a Republican; both employed by David Rockefeller, and both CFR/TC /Bilderberger members. Both are one world globalists (pro Marxist/Fascist, per their own writings). Think about it! Can you see how “The Fix” is ensuring a one world dictatorship, to be ruled by these parasitic elitists?
(Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZB) ( http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard.shtml )

In “Foreign Affairs ”(a CFR publication), April 1974, Richard Gardener, Ambassador to Italy, writes “an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack.”

******* BELOW ARE A FEW QUOTED WARNINGS ON BANKING *******

“If Congress has the right to issue paper money, it was given to them to be used by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.” - President Andrew Jackson (he revoked the U. S. Banking Charter in 1832. (A double misfire at point blank range of an attempted assassination saved his life.)

The Federal Reserve (privately owned banks) is one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.” - Senator Louis T. McFadden, 1934 (chairman of the U. S. Banking and Currency Commission for over 10 years) (probably assassinated; there were several attempts on his life before his suspicious death)

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.” - President Thomas Jefferson

“All the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arise, not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, not from a lack of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.” - President John Adams

straightUp Loc: California

I agree!

straightUp Loc: California

LOL - well, I'm glad we found an example where the word "never" doesn't override the context.

The phrase:
"Never cross the street without looking"
not equal to:
"Never cross the street."
because:
the context is "without looking".

The phrase:
"200+ years later, the American people (who never had to fight for a republic) have come to take it for granted."
not equal to:
"the American people never had to fight for a republic"
because:
The context is "200+ years later" ...which excludes all the Americans that died before America was 200 years old.


I never said anyone did... Although U.S. Immigration does insist on immigrants surrendering their foreign citizenship before they can become a U.S. citizen. (I had to). In any case, I don't think Washington was referring to his "heritage" in the sense you're thinking. He didn't refer to himself as an English-American, he referred to himself specifically as an Englishman. Keep in mind, this was before America actually became a nation.

The notion of "Americans" fighting in the Revolution is retrospective. When it was actually happening, the only Americans were Indians. The Continental Army were English colonists, fighting the expeditionary forces of their motherland. In fact, if the colonists lost, it would not have been called a revolution but rather a revolt, as were the previous attempts to do that same, and the colonists would have continued to be identified as English, just like the Confederates, who lost their fight for independence are still identified as Americans.

In simple terms, this is how many U.S. citizens fought in the American Revolution... 0.


Yeah, see that.

Cuda2020

The phrase:
"200+ years later, the American people (who never had to fight for a republic) have come to take it for granted."
not equal to:
"the American people never had to fight for a republic"
because:
The context is "200+ years later" ...which excludes all the Americans that died before America was 200 years old.
Indeed, I respect your reference to keeping things in the present time, with that said I believe things would have been more clearly represented if within the parentheses you were to state ...{since that time}. When putting something in parentheses, along with the word never, it then became unrestricted to all-time.
I read the parentheses as referring to it as "American people never fought for their republic" and Not the previous statement 200+ years later. I believe I am correct that a parenthesis is directly connected to the few words beforehand. My apologies if I misread it. The author throws out the word, the reader is the receiver of that word, I guess I missed the pass, lol.

Possibly your point that you had wished to make, would have been better received if you left out that statement on Americans altogether, your point being, that we've taken it our republic for granted, which I happen to agree with to an extent. For the reasons I've stated, our republic, to maintain it, is being fought every day. No, not with weapons but through congress, petition, protests, and revolts.

With that said, I certainly see what you're saying, with this deep corruption which has transcended all the way to our judicial system which has proliferated since Trump, which means, other measures must be taken, we have now arrived in new territory with this president. Our entire impeachment process was completely corrupted and was as useful, as southerners say here, tits on a turtle.

Now if you refer to Americans to never fighting for our republic, I guess I can say the same for Brits not fighting for their Parliament. Which I believe structure and processes are more efficient than ours, now,does that surprise you?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

How many Democrats understand the war we are in with this Virus?
Party politics should have no place in this fight.
This article should be shared on all social media platforms.
PanDemic or DemPanic?
http://republicbroadcasting.org/category/columnists/
By Je suis Spike for RBN
The Democrat Party is most certainly in a panic. They’ve been unable to oust President Trump from his office or drive his popularity down among those who voted for him. They are staring into electoral abyss with reverse coattails with the Joe Biden campaign apparently winning the Democratic nomination for President. Do not be shocked if, though he wins the nomination, Joe Biden is not the actual candidate of the Democrat Party in November this year.
The Deep State and virtually the whole of the Democratic Party, being merely a subset of the Deep State, have tried very hard to harm President Trump’s ability to preside for these last three years and also to prevail in 2020. Every listener to RBN radio and reader of RepublicBroadcasting.Org is quite aware of this continuing smear campaign against the President by people who are in government to usurp the people instead of serve the people. It’s as though the elected say to the American people, “you serve, we rule.”
We’ve seen a ridiculous, baseless investigation into Donald Trump after a Democrat Opposition Research Dossier was fed to the FBI as though it was a legitimate allegation of wrongdoing on Trump’s part; in particular, he was accused of conspiring with Putin and/or Russia to help him win his election (against Hillary!) in 2016.
Then there was the ridiculous impeachment of President Trump, the charges so bogus as to be unworthy of being repeated here. Of course both of those two attempts have failed.
Knowing that the impeachment would fail in the attempt to remove the President by supermajority vote in the Senate, the Democrat Party was hoping to have some fodder for their campaign commercials. Of course, what they still have not figured out is that Donald Trump, while better than most Presidents of recent years, is mostly a response to Democrat fecklessness, corruption and the American people’s realization that the Democrats have only two constituencies among Americans, the super-rich with whom they practice back and forth largesse with taxpayer money and those whom they’ve made dependent. (Of course the Democrats have constituencies outside of America, too: See the logical progeny of Charlie Trie and John Huang and others who benefit by trade practices and one-sided trade agreements that harm working Americans which drove manufacturing and good-paying jobs out of America.) Working Americans pretty much vote for Trump while the Democrats kick them and call them hateful because they believe that there are only two genders, that Americans, for all of our faults, are rather fair, generous and respectful of others, though unwilling to be forced to ratify lifestyles which not too long ago kept quiet.
All the while, the Mockingbird Media (MM) has trumped up one false accusation after another or otherwise attempted to inflame Americans with breathless reporting about one thing or another that the President did or failed to do which the MM hoped would drive down the President’s approval numbers as we approach what until recently was the all-but-certain reelection he would win in 2020. (See reporting by one of the bravest human beings on the planet, Sharyl Atkisson, for a sample of the malfeasance of journalism that plagues the President and America.)
Then along came the corona virus– which I prefer by an inquisitive anagram: virus or a con?– to use to pound the American people into dust. And dust we are becoming, as Governor after Governor responds to the unhinged Fauci and his band of Deep State cohorts who are using the virus as an excuse to do everything possible to teach the American people to never vote for someone other than a Deep State toady again. They would literally destroy America and impoverish all Americans before allowing Trump to win again. You must understand who these people are and what they are. They are completely without empathy or sympathy for the people. You see, they’ve controlled a multi-trillion dollar corporation for years now, with franchises (military bases) around the world and they are not going to give it up. Their love of money has driven them to engage in commerce which has led them to extreme violence, (see Ezekiel28:16). Evil? Yes, they support unborn babies being shredded to death inside their mother’s wombs. Can you get more evil?
Many State Governors are using executive power, (not just power, meaning legitimate power, which is only by consent of the governed), to stop people from using beaches, parks and other outdoor venues to do the one thing they can do to help themselves battle a virus, get some fresh air and sunshine. Some Governors are even forbidding people gathering to worship God. Of course, the Constitution says that Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment* of religion. While said to be a right that we have- to worship- the Constitution didn’t say out of control, pants-wetting, wannabe tyrant Governors couldn’t curb your right to worship in a manner consistent with the dictates of your conscience. Also, many of these Governors have delayed elections for their pals and/or themselves, just like the Democrats have always said Trump would do because “Trump is literally Hitler.” Where is the condemnation in the press for that?
So we have a government that has shut down the livelihood of many Americans who are about to be impoverished, and has fomented fear such that many people’s hearts will fail them for fear. Who will be held responsible?
I don’t see this ending except in any of three ways: Americans, never to regain what we once were, and then completely under the thumb of tyrants; Americans, “set free” briefly at the behest of President Trump, only to suffer the release of a truly harmful agent, Trump being blamed for the resulting mayhem; America throwing off tyrants and re-establishing the appearance of a republic which we most recently have had, though not an actual republic.
God blessed America,
Je suis Spike

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

..The Deep State and virtually the whole of the Democratic Party, being merely a subset of the Deep State, have tried very hard to harm President Trump’s ability to preside for these last three years and also to prevail in 2020. ...

Trump was a very bad choice. Everything that has been done to trump as been brought on by trump’s illegal, illicit, murky,
Traitorous. behavior, it is not demorags.
Trump does it all by himself.
EE are you just totally incapable believing the Republicans are not pristine saints sent from above to save the country, Donald, the earth.
Demorags are just fighting to screw up the whole planet???
You definitely have your shoes on the wrong feet.
Donald trump is the epitome of the Republican Party cares about nobody but himself. Destroy anything that will make more money. Republican has become synonymous with corporate greed.
Yet no matter what you will defend them and not whomever they’re screwing over this time.
They don’t know you, they don’t care about you, but they are so happy you defend them at every bend in the road.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Deep State: America’s Shadow Government and Its Silent Coup
https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2016/10/30/deep-state-americas-shadow-government-and-its-silent-coup/
"Unaffected by elections. Unaltered by populist movements. Beyond the reach of the law.
Say hello to America’s shadow government.
A corporatized, militarized, entrenched bureaucracy that is fully operational and staffed by unelected officials who are, in essence, running the country, this shadow government represents the hidden face of a government that has no respect for the freedom of its citizenry...."

Milosia

EE,
I think you’re getting the hang of it. The tenth amendment center was a great post. It reminds me of a book I read back in the sixties called “The Invisible Government”
It would seem we don’t have much of a choice in these matters presented but we do still vote. Recognizing false choices is a giant step toward correcting them.
If we don't want these clandestine operations going on , then, we should not vote for the people embracing them.
I say this with only my hat in hand.
We saw trump as our knight in shining armour, but, all things considered, he hasn’t come though on even one of his progressive campaign promises.
He is dismantling your government with your help I might add.
Now we have trump and Biden.
Two shining stars here to save the republic.
Has all of this upside down bs played out as fact?
I find it saddening that so many “conservatives” and “dollar store republicans”
Think we are heading in the Right direction and if we don’t totally destroy this country, then , it will be all the Democrats fault.

Milosia

I have another question for you.
Do you remember the London Olympics opening ceremony when they wheeled the thousands of sick beds around? The ceremony was ripe with underlying cryptic messages, but, do you think this corona virus was being foretold, back then?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

I blows me away, Milosia, how liberals/Democrats, can get it sooo bassakwards.

Are you still unaware that Trump was not the pick of the NWO Neocons.

Trump has done a great job considering the forces he has gone up against from the "Right" and the "Left".

He puts America first over Globalism.

BTW;
Trump is fighting pure evil, not just stupidity.