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Apr 2, 2020 20:17:35   #
son of witless
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Sorry but that was an opinion , not a fact.


Of course.

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Apr 3, 2020 00:31:06   #
Cuda2020
 
Milosia2 wrote:
I think the statement clearly illustrates 200 years later.

“200+ years later, the American people (who never had to fight for a republic) have come to take it for granted.”


Sorry I disagree and there is the rub isn't it, the word never.

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Apr 3, 2020 09:42:49   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Who has been fighting for a republic 200+ years later. Who has been trying to destroy your right to vote?
I can name republicans that would rather destroy it. are you counting that also?
If you plan to count tea party activity’s as fighting for the republic you couldn’t be more wrong.
The tea party was a matter of Corporate malfeasance.
The east India tea company was corporate not government.so it wasn’t actually taxation without representation.

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Apr 3, 2020 09:57:41   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
eagleye13 wrote:
No time for another lesson today, Mlo.
In short; A constitution gives safeguards to money buying every thing.
The Constitution provides Federal government limitations.

BTW; That is the purpose of the Constitution; To bind down the powers of the Federal government.


The purpose constitution of the constitution was to protect citizens from govt. overbearance. It also says ...of the people by the people for the people.
Now that the corporations have taken over your constitutional govt.
What should we call it?
Mussolini called it Fascism.
So, where do we fit in that wonderful idea .?
Where did your republic go?
And don’t, please don’t try to spin me on how the Dems are behind all of it. That just another lie the right keeps selling.

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Apr 3, 2020 10:13:03   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Milosia2 wrote:
The purpose constitution of the constitution was to protect citizens from govt. overbearance. It also says ...of the people by the people for the people.
Now that the corporations have taken over your constitutional govt.
What should we call it?
Mussolini called it Fascism.
So, where do we fit in that wonderful idea .?
Where did your republic go?
And don’t, please don’t try to spin me on how the Dems are behind all of it. That just another lie the right keeps selling.


You are right about the attack on our Republic coming from BOTH parties.

Fascism and Communism are both Totalitarian systems .
The International Bankers have always had a self serving totalitarian agenda.
To understand their agenda - Google: “CFR,TC,Bilderberg Group”
A couple Council on Foreign Relations CFR & Trilateral Commission TC Quotes*
“An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack" – Richard Gardner , Ambassador to Italy - (CFR) Foreign Affairs, April, 1974

“Actions at the multinational level will be needed, if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion.” TC Report #23, 1982
The Banksters have been controlling both parties by installing vetted NWO CFR members.
Since 1940, every U.S. secretary of state (except for Gov. James Byrnes of South Carolina, the sole exception) has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and/or its younger brother, the Trilateral Commission. Also since 1940, every secretary of war and every secretary of defense has been a CFR member. During most of its existence, the Central Intelligence Agency has been headed by CFR members. Virtually every key U.S. national security and foreign policy adviser has been a CFR member for the past seventy years.
Zbigniew Brzezinski formed Trilateral Commission for David Rockefeller in 1973, and Jimmy Carter was made a founding member. Jimmy Carter became President, & ZB was installed as Carter's National Security Adviser. (ZB was also adviser to Obama)
ZB - Referring to the rivalry between the USSR and the United States – “The eventual outcome of the competition is however, foreordained, given the inherent superiority of the communist system “ 'Between Two Ages' (1970 - p.146)

“The Federal Reserve (privately owned banks) are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known.” – Senator Louis T. McFadden (22 years on the U.S. Banking & Currency Commission) Google : Louis T. McFadden, Congressional Record, Fed expose
Great book on NWO agenda – ‘The World Order’ by Eustace Mullins at Amazon
Both parties have put America in debt $22 Trillion to that cabal.
Restoration and use of Constitutional US Notes; without interest to The FED RES Bank, is the only solution.
Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Jackson did it; John F. Kennedy was trying. JFK had US notes printed and in circulation before he was assassinated.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

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Apr 3, 2020 10:26:46   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
I mean 9 republican judges that totally rule the country. Was not the plan of the framers.” Of the people ,by the people, for the people”
This is inclusion.
This is the point Dershowitz was arguing at trumps impeachment. The SC should decide so the people won’t need to. He also said trump should just refuse to leave office so that the SC could rule.
The framers were strictly against that.
Every republican president we’ve had lost the popular vote.democratic presidents had won EC vote and popular vote.
If what you’re saying is that we would be better off with 9 justices instead of the massive involvement people have in govt I would say doomsday is not far behind.

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Apr 3, 2020 15:44:49   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Milosia2 wrote:
I think the statement clearly illustrates 200 years later.

“200+ years later, the American people (who never had to fight for a republic) have come to take it for granted.”


- the problem with precise language is that it requires more words. ;)

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Apr 3, 2020 15:48:41   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
sUp; you took all that verbiage showing you do not know or appreciate the important differences between a Republic and a Democracy.
The Lime comes through again.


Should I repeat the lesson?

1. republic - ANY form of government where the head of state is an elected president rather than a monarchy.
2. democracy - ANY form of government where the people are given a vote.
3. These are concepts not proper nouns to you don't have to capitalize them.
4. republic and monarchy = opposites
5. democracy and tyranny = opposites
6. monarchy + tyranny = Saudi Arabia
7. monarchy + democracy = UK
6. republic + tyranny = North Korea
7. republic + democracy = US

Again?

1. republic - ANY form of government where the head of state is an elected president rather than a monarchy.
2. democracy - ANY form of government where the people are given a vote.
3. These are concepts not proper nouns to you don't have to capitalize them.
4. republic and monarchy = opposites
5. democracy and tyranny = opposites
6. monarchy + tyranny = Saudi Arabia
7. monarchy + democracy = UK
6. republic + tyranny = North Korea
7. republic + democracy = US

...are you getting this yet?

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Apr 3, 2020 16:02:38   #
Cuda2020
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Who has been fighting for a republic 200+ years later. Who has been trying to destroy your right to vote?
I can name republicans that would rather destroy it. are you counting that also?
If you plan to count tea party activity’s as fighting for the republic you couldn’t be more wrong.
The tea party was a matter of Corporate malfeasance.
The east India tea company was corporate not government.so it wasn’t actually taxation without representation.



The tea being from India, was not the point, the point was that it was being imported from Britain to the colonists, and taxing them for it. The colonists considered the constant imposition of taxes without a vote to be unconstitutional. It was, they felt, "taxation without representation." and that certainly was government.

I believe you are seeing me as your and straightup's advisory, that I believe he knows, I am not. Yet feeling in defense for America, I was merely clarifying. We have fought for our republic, and as it has been pointed out recently several times from Franklin's quote,{if we can keep it,} well what does that exactly mean, for me, it means that it is something that has to be continually maintained, and not just any republic, but our democratic constitutional republic. You have a good day and I'm on your side.

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Apr 3, 2020 16:04:22   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
No time for another lesson today, Mlo.
In short; A constitution gives safeguards to money buying every thing.
The Constitution provides Federal government limitations.

BTW; That is the purpose of the Constitution; To bind down the powers of the Federal government.


Well, at least you have the Constitution sort of right... Actually, it's main purpose is to serve as a blue print for the government and as part of that, limits were included, but when it comes to money, even the limits themselves are limited. As far as I know, the constitutional safeguards against the power of money is pretty limited the emoluments clause which isn't exactly fool-proof as your Trumpy hero has already proven.

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Apr 3, 2020 16:07:20   #
Cuda2020
 
straightUp wrote:
- the problem with precise language is that it requires more words. ;)


I never saw you as a man, slight of word, lol. Always enjoy reading your posts, I certainly hope you took no offense, but I just had to.

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Apr 3, 2020 16:09:28   #
Cuda2020
 
straightUp wrote:
Should I repeat the lesson?

1. republic - ANY form of government where the head of state is an elected president rather than a monarchy.
2. democracy - ANY form of government where the people are given a vote.
3. These are concepts not proper nouns to you don't have to capitalize them.
4. republic and monarchy = opposites
5. democracy and tyranny = opposites
6. monarchy + tyranny = Saudi Arabia
7. monarchy + democracy = UK
6. republic + tyranny = North Korea
7. republic + democracy = US

Again?

1. republic - ANY form of government where the head of state is an elected president rather than a monarchy.
2. democracy - ANY form of government where the people are given a vote.
3. These are concepts not proper nouns to you don't have to capitalize them.
4. republic and monarchy = opposites
5. democracy and tyranny = opposites
6. monarchy + tyranny = Saudi Arabia
7. monarchy + democracy = UK
6. republic + tyranny = North Korea
7. republic + democracy = US

...are you getting this yet?
Should I repeat the lesson? br br 1. republic - A... (show quote)


Um you do realize you're talking to eagleye?

You're correct concerning the emoluments clause, and Trump doing this I think should set us to task for some well needed amendments.

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Apr 3, 2020 16:13:12   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Sorry I disagree and there is the rub isn't it, the word never.

"kids NEVER listen anymore" How do you read that Cuda? Kids don't listen but they used to - or kids never ever listened?

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Apr 3, 2020 16:16:10   #
Cuda2020
 
straightUp wrote:
"kids NEVER listen anymore" How do you read that Cuda? Kids don't listen but they used to - or kids never ever listened?


Seriously, Ok... you find that statement accurate, kids NEVER listen, it's not true, it's said only to try and prove a point, not literal, that's how I read it, how do you?

When you say, we Never fought for our republic, I took your written word as being literal. We could then say , kids have never listened, ever.

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Apr 3, 2020 16:24:07   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I never saw you as a man, slight of word, lol. Always enjoy reading your posts, I certainly hope you took no offense, but I just had to.

No offense taken bro... I like that you challenge even those who you tend to agree with.

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