One Political Plaza - Home of politics
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main
Nancy Pelosi Derails The Stimulus Bill
Page <<first <prev 26 of 31 next> last>>
Mar 31, 2020 22:53:07   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
dtucker300 wrote:
A simple question was asked by Reagan. "Are you better off now that four years ago?" I am!

Thanks to the trajectory set by none other than Barack Obama!!!!!

Reply
Mar 31, 2020 23:09:16   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JFlorio wrote:
Nice try troll. Too bad you really know nothing about cause and affect.

Look who's talking. ;)

JFlorio wrote:

Liar, the dow was at 19,827 when Odumbass left office.

Of course it was... Investors saw who was coming in.

JFlorio wrote:

You lefties sure are useful idi***. Obama didn't lead us to a health economy. He mustly stood in the way of having a robust economy.

That's not what historical records and charts say.

JFlorio wrote:

If you new anything about economic history you would know this bu hey, I can't fix what's wrong with you.

Is that your way of saying you can't explain any of your claims?

Look, I know Obama didn't single-handedly lead us to a healthy economy... Sometimes I say that just to annoy people, but I know presidents don't that have that much influence. They can set a few parameters but the rest is up to the market. In fact when the economy is growing (which it has been since 2012), presidents don't really have to do much at all. We could have had a potato for a president for the last 3 years and there would not have been much difference. The economy was already on auto-pilot. It's when the economy tanks that a president is faced with a challenge. Obama took over when the economy was in its worst condition since 1929 through no fault of his own. It would take a complete idiot to think the economy in 2016 is even comparable to what it was in 2008. Your denial is incredibly obvious.

Reply
Mar 31, 2020 23:10:46   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
straightUp wrote:
No, I haven't contracted the virus (I don't think), thanks for asking. Reason? Luck. I spent the first week commuting to work on a train. But I have since then taken cover and I work from home now. I still go to the store to get food and twice a week I go to band practice, just four of us, six feet distant, so I attribute my social distancing as another factor. Oh, and I wash my hands like a racoon that just ate a bag of coffee beans.

I do remember you telling me about breaking posts up, but I also remember telling you why I do that. A lot of the arguments I respond to draw conclusions from erroneous or questionable statements and it's less confusing to interject responses directly to those statements than to try and relate reponses at the end.

Even more so in cases where I am responding to a rant because rants are basically long lists of disconnected statements and the people I tend to argue with are very prolific ranters, which explains why a lot of my posts are so long. Taking rants seriously enough to respond with logic - that's my insanity.

There's a pattern I've noticed that strikes me as being more prevalent on the right, where people seem to think they can make up for a lack of a good argument with long lists of stated "facts" or links to stories or long lists of names... or well, a list of fabulous things that Trump has done. ;)

I won't get nit-picky about each one... in fact, I'm just going to say this. Yes, Trump is taking action, at a glance it didn't seem like there was anything on the list I could actually say is false. But what frequently gets left out of these long glory lists is context... and relevance. Given the scale, a lot of those items are too little but I am grateful for whatever they can provide. Given the timeline, a lot of those actions are late, but it's better late than never.

So EmilyD, thanks for the box of band-aids.
No, I haven't contracted the virus (I don't think)... (show quote)


Quote:
...more prevalent on the right, where people seem to think they can make up for a lack of a good argument...

That's interesting because I see this same thing with the left. The far-right is just as wacky as the far-left. The problem to me is that too many people refer to Liberals when they should say leftists, and Conservatives when they mean the rightists. Liberals and Conservatives may have different views but they use and listen to reasonable and rational arguments from each other.

Reply
 
 
Mar 31, 2020 23:15:16   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
straightUp wrote:
Thanks to the trajectory set by none other than Barack Obama!!!!!


What trajectory was that? Are you trying to say you are not as well off as you were four years ago?

Reply
Mar 31, 2020 23:27:22   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
dtucker300 wrote:
That's interesting because I see this same thing with the left. The far-right is just as wacky as the far-left. The problem to me is that too many people refer to Liberals when they should say leftists, and Conservatives when they mean the rightists. Liberals and Conservatives may have different views but they use and listen to reasonable and rational arguments from each other.

I do agree with you there. (except... I don't know why you capitalize liberal or conservative, they're not proper nouns).

I also wonder if that's part of the problem we have these days. People place too much emphasis on the importance of being liberal or conservative. I can be liberal about something one day and conservative about something else the next. I consider myself "mostly liberal" with respect to politics because I am "mostly" in favor of change and that's what liberal means. To be conservative is to resist change. Now for the proper nouns ;) ... I think in today's climate the "deep state" Democrats are more conservative than "Freedom Caucus" Republicans.

Reply
Mar 31, 2020 23:38:13   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
dtucker300 wrote:
What trajectory was that? Are you trying to say you are not as well off as you were four years ago?


No, I'm not any worse off than I was four years ago. I'm about the same. Things have been flat but stable for me for the last six years. When I say that, I am referring to my job stability and my income. My stock investments have been climbing for the past 6 years. So either way, Trump really made no difference. At least not to my situation.

How about you?

Reply
Apr 1, 2020 00:29:51   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:

Your progressive socialist Democrat president, Woodrow Wilson, backed by the KKK, created the Federal Reserve System, its 12 "private" banks eventually nationalized by FDR during the Great Depression's 1933 Emergency Banking Act (Glass-Steagall) and the 1935 Banking Act creating the FDIC and Comptroller of the Currency. These 2 bills you really aught to read to comprehend the government's huge takeover of our monetary system.

Wilson was on YOUR side not ours. The Democrats were the right-wing conservatives back then. I know you've heard of the big-switch and maybe you deny it, maybe you think political parties are always anchored to ideology, but you'd be wrong.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

The Federal Reserve bank has bailed out countless "fascist" despots, socialist sand communist dictators since funding the Bolshevik Revolution and the rise of Hitler's NAZI National Socialist Worker's Party, never having been audited since its inception in 1913.

LOL - you folks can never say NAZI anymore without spelling it out to be sure the word "socialist" is prominent... Ever since Jonas Goldberg came out with that idiot book. It's so sophomoric. The fact is the Nazis stemmed from a time of economic depression and everyone was demanding socialism then. So any populist was going to make that promise, maybe even add it to the name of their entity, like the way North Korea is a Democratic Republic. The fact is, the Nazis implemented some socialist systems, just like FDR was doing in America. And from the perspective of a dictator, it doesn't matter what system they deploy as long as they're on top. Stalin would have been just as happy on top of a free-market economy. It's just that capitalists weren't creating revolutions and power vacuums; communists were.


CounterRevolutionary wrote:

You don't have to have a PhD to figure out Marx's bait and switch scheme of socialism, promising something for nothing, and nothing is what you get. It is the biggest hoax in all human history.

Actually, I would give that title to religion. But I agree that PhD wouldn't help anyone "see" Marx's "bait and switch". In fact, anyone smart enough to get a PhD would probably know the difference between Marx and Stalin.

Reply
 
 
Apr 1, 2020 19:32:25   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
straightUp wrote:
Actually, I would give that title to religion. But I agree that PhD wouldn't help anyone "see" Marx's "bait and switch". In fact, anyone smart enough to get a PhD would probably know the difference between Marx and Stalin.


Straightup, you write:
"Wilson was on YOUR side not ours. The Democrats were the right-wing conservatives back then..."

Huh, what? I am a Republican, not a progressive socialist Democrat.

Next you write:
"And from the perspective of a dictator, it doesn't matter what system they deploy as long as they're on top. Stalin would have been just as happy on top of a free-market economy."

Oh, Gawd, gimme a break!

Yuri Maltsev: Why Socialism Will Never Work (pay attention lefties)
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-119488-1.html
For the entire lecture...
The savagery of socialism - Dr. Yuri Maltsev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDyFUi9XRbY
"We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us."

Never before has anyone on OPP, or in the history of earth itself, spewed such rationalization to justify state sanctioned socialist pickpockets as "altruism." The absurdity of it all!

Next, you write:
"Actually, I would give that title [Marx's bait and switch socialist plot] to religion. But I agree that PhD wouldn't help anyone "see" Marx's "bait and switch". In fact, anyone smart enough to get a PhD would probably know the difference between Marx and Stalin."

Stalin refused all of Karl Marx's works to be published by the Politburo, hiding Marx's true objective of socialism from the populace.

Marx promises Utopia and delivers hell on earth.
Religion promises eternal love and eternal life, a gift from God.
With the gift of life, comes the gift of free agency from God.
The right choice is not very difficult, folks.
As you please, Straightup.

Reply
Apr 2, 2020 09:00:51   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
JFlorio wrote:
Nice try troll. Too bad you really know nothing about cause and affect. Liar, the dow was at 19,827 when Odumbass left office. You lefties sure are useful idi***. Obama didn't lead us to a health economy. He mustly stood in the way of having a robust economy. If you new anything about economic history you would know this bu hey, I can't fix what's wrong with you.


So, is 19,000 for the Dow higher or lower than
6,000
It looks to me to be 13,000 more than the 6,000 bush 43 left Obama
This continued to 26,000 where it is at today. Wouldn’t it upset you if you just built your own house and in the last 5minutes of work
Trump shows up to proclaim to the world
“ look at this house I just finished building,
It’s great isn’t it, beautiful, just beautiful, and I built it, we had some problems along the way but now it’s done and it is marvelous, just marvelous, and did I mention I just finished building it?”

The republicans would not cooperate with Obama. The republicans believe it or not were not pass any bills that might’ve benefited you. This is why I am so puzzled by your hatred of Obama he was trying to get healthcare for you too.
Why would you not think that was a good idea?
What’s wrong with me???
Dude!
I’m on the outside looking in!!!!

Reply
Apr 2, 2020 09:02:30   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Milosia2 wrote:
So, is 19,000 for the Dow higher or lower than
6,000
It looks to me to be 13,000 more than the 6,000 bush 43 left Obama
This continued to 26,000 where it is at today. Wouldn’t it upset you if you just built your own house and in the last 5minutes of work
Trump shows up to proclaim to the world
“ look at this house I just finished building,
It’s great isn’t it, beautiful, just beautiful, and I built it, we had some problems along the way but now it’s done and it is marvelous, just marvelous, and did I mention I just finished building it?”

The republicans would not cooperate with Obama. The republicans believe it or not were not pass any bills that might’ve benefited you. This is why I am so puzzled by your hatred of Obama he was trying to get healthcare for you too.
Why would you not think that was a good idea?
What’s wrong with me???
Dude!
I’m on the outside looking in!!!!
So, is 19,000 for the Dow higher or lower than br ... (show quote)

Reply
Apr 2, 2020 09:48:44   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Milo, surely you must be joking.
A fascist government is run by a military or police force, after disarming the populace, sometimes it takes a couple of generations for the entire population to go bankrupt and overthrow their masters. That pending collapse would include all of socialist governments and communist governments today.

You retorted to Tug484, "Yet you are always right there to rale on the commie Dems who are in essence also fighting for you. You have nothing in your pocket because the 1% don’t want you to have anything in your pocket."

Just who do you suppose the "1%" is with 100 billionaires contributing to the DNC?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2019/11/18/here-are-the-billionaires-funding-the-democratic-presidential-candidates/
Daily Cover|67,587 views|Nov 18, 2019, 06:00am
Here Are The Billionaires Funding The Democratic Presidential Candidates

Go ahead, just pull u the list of Bilderberg galloping globalist billionaires subsidizing the Democrat candidates.

Your progressive socialist Democrat president, Woodrow Wilson, backed by the KKK, created the Federal Reserve System, its 12 "private" banks eventually nationalized by FDR during the Great Depression's 1933 Emergency Banking Act (Glass-Steagall) and the 1935 Banking Act creating the FDIC and Comptroller of the Currency. These 2 bills you really aught to read to comprehend the government's huge takeover of our monetary system.

The Federal Reserve bank has bailed out countless "fascist" despots, socialist sand communist dictators since funding the Bolshevik Revolution and the rise of Hitler's NAZI National Socialist Worker's Party, never having been audited since its inception in 1913. The Fed prints counterfeit money way beyond our GDP, devaluing the dollar's purchasing power to 3 Cents since its inception. You would think with the advent of the Industrial Revolution and mass production, the cost of living would come down, not go up!

So, where the hell is the money going? Oh, let's check the records of the Export-Import Bank, the Federal Housing Authority Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the Overseas Pacific Investment Corporation, and the Fed itself, draining every brick of gold out of Fort Knox by 1930.

the testimony of whistleblower, House Banking Chair, Louis McFadden in 1934.
https://archive.org/stream/CongressmanMcfaddenOnTheFederalReserveCorporation/CongressmanMcfaddenOnTheFederalReserveCorp_djvu.txt

And then there is another gem, Woodrow Wilson's Marxist progressive income tax, the more you make, the more the government takes, making it impossible for the poor to work their way out of poverty and small business to rise and compete with the entrenched monopolies. Every step on the ladder to success is further and further apart as one tries to work their way up. "Tax the rich, tax the rich." you commies call. You commies are picking your won pockets, like mad dogs chasing your own tales.

"Each according to his ability, each according to his needs" What the hell does that mean?

You don't have to have a PhD to figure out Marx's bait and switch scheme of socialism, promising something for nothing, and nothing is what you get. It is the biggest hoax in all human history.
Milo, surely you must be joking. br A fascist gov... (show quote)


No one is promising something for nothing, but try to think for a minute what would change if we were to change over to “employee owned”
Socialist yes but not owned by the government. More in line with a republic.
The CEOs are continually complaining about labor costs, why not let the employees own it. Let the employees be their own middleman. Without the fat bald guy slurping up all the profits.
If this truly is the republic you think it is then , why not??

Reply
 
 
Apr 2, 2020 09:53:06   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
And why should 5 out of 7 people be working in Law Enforcements??

Reply
Apr 2, 2020 09:57:18   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
My OPP ad says” Demand Answers
On Clinton corruption.”

Trump was just impeached by the House.
For wrongdoing. Clinton corruption was not involved.
I say impeach trump every time he lies.
Or only when his lips move.

Reply
Apr 2, 2020 10:18:04   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
JFlorio wrote:
Just like the millionaire lawyers union and other private unions could donate to the Democrats no matter what their membership preferred. I have no problem with private unions. that is between an owner and their employees. I have a huge problem with public employee unions that lobby congress and get paid with tax payer dollars. I see no difference between this and citizens united. You don't want to argue facts with me bumpkin. I have an advantage. I trust no politicians while you are blindly partisan.
Just like the millionaire lawyers union and other ... (show quote)


I am not blindly partisan. The Democratic Party lost me a long time ago when they started embracing Neo-Liberal Policies.
I’ve since moved to Independent.
My leanings are democratic but until somebody in the party represents me
I’ll claim independent.
This push to get out the vote is impressive.
My take is we have enough people voting already, the problem is Why Aren't They Voting For The Democrat’s?
Trump says no to votings by mail because a Republican will never be elected ever again.
You know he’s right.
The 1% doesn’t have enough votes to win so need need a hook to drag in help to win.
Some sort of boogieman the red states. An all rally behind.
Truth is it’s not what their after.
There’s still a few Pension Funds with money in them. Social Security for one.
And the Postal Service each have trillions in them. So they have been working their way to somehow destroy them so that privatization would look better.as the only alternative. Anti Union sentiment along with Reagan allowing to keep all the pension monies, not funding them.
There’s no such thing as a “private union”
It’s probably better than nothing but not by much.

Reply
Apr 2, 2020 10:25:39   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
dtucker300 wrote:


Dude, talk like this will get you thrown out of the Republican Party.
90% Tax on earnings over $50 Million.

Reply
Page <<first <prev 26 of 31 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2024 IDF International Technologies, Inc.