Milosia

An upheld constitution???
Well , that was a seemingly exacting answer?
Is it the Russian Constitution whereby their plan is to destroy this country?

Milosia

Are you trying to tell me, it’s ok if your vote doesn’t matter?
The one thing your peoples are willing to die for?
Well now I’m curious, why should it not matter according to the constitution?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

How did the Russian "Constitution" get in this.
They have one?

"Is it the Russian Constitution whereby their plan is to destroy this country?" - Milosia

Where in the Russian "constitution" is that stated?

Milosia

World dominance by Russia was written everywhere.
Russians only believe , all for Mother Russia.
All.
You have a right in Russia to starve to death or be shot by the police
Waiting in line for toilet paper?

Wait,
Maybe they’re already here?

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

Look at what you write, Trump, as a millionaire has won over 20 other professional politicians to win the Presidency, is to you Insane! Yes, you lack smarts. So, since that is so obvious I have to ask who tells you what to write? Do they give you little notes to copy? lol

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

I think you are on to something, Mr Mister.
Milo isn't embarrassed!

straightUp Loc: California

Yes, it is... literally. Trump (the millionaire) beat all those other Republican candidates because the people got tired of being screwed by Republican politicians and they're too stupid to know how to choose better politicians so they decided a businessman would be better. That makes as much sense as asking a car mechanic to perform your open heart surgery because you don't trust doctors, which would also be insane.

Business and government are not any more the same than a car and a human body. Both take money to maintain, both require energy to operate, but a sane person would not assume those similarities are enough to qualify a car mechanic as a surgeon or vice versa


Milosia2 is the only one making any sense on this moronic thread.


LOL - I've never quite figured this one out... It's become quite common for uptight deplorables to throw that out there but is it because they know it's more insulting to people who think for themselves or is it because they really don't understand how independent thought works and they can't imagine it's possible for people to have original thoughts?

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

You are showing your ignorance of congress. Most all have failed at business and now we elected them to run the biggest company in the world. The best leader America can find is one that has been in business and been Succesful. Not anything like Obama, he was the worst you would want to do the job!
Trump showed his honesty by not taking a dime for pay, did you see Obama do then or Bubba Clinton? No, you did not.
I wager your education was by a commie that hates this country.
You need a new name, like "straightDown"

Milosia

Trump lied cheated stole and even had foreign goats help him win.
Why. Why WHY DOESNT THAT BOTHER ANY REPUBLICANS????

straightUp Loc: California

First of all, Trump isn't in Congress and secondly, if your going to be the expert on it you might want to consider spelling it with a capital "C" because it *IS* a proper noun. And in case you do catch the joke, let me just point out that there are a lot of legislators in Congress who are incredibly successful capitalists and most of them are far businessmen than Trump could ever be. They just know that business and government are not the same thing.


That's what some businessmen with an interest in corrupting our republic will tell you. They're hoping enough of us will be dumb enough to fall for it. It's that simple.

Look, government and commerce are completely different animals. One has a very simple bottom line, which gives almost every decision a default value, the other has no bottom line at all. This is why business decisions are increasingly being automated... money is easy to calculate. Governing a democracy on the hand has no bottom line. Feel free to post me an algorithm to drive King Solomon's decision on the baby and two mothers, if you feel like proving me wrong.

I do realize that many politicians fail, so I understand the frustration, but I just wish people would think about it a little more before they start redefining the role to suit the underqualified.


I hate to remind you but Obama inherited an economy in its worst state since 1929 and war debt not seen since WW2. Under his presidency, our economy recovered and drove it's way to the heights that we see Trump taking bows for. There's no way a rational person can dismiss this elephant in the room. We all know what the hatred toward Obama is about.


LOL - Are you for real? Yeah, Trump just decided to do America a favor and be president pro-bono. Wow.


Ugh... zzz.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

sUp is a limey.
He hasn't figured out what America had to overcome to become a Constitutional Republic..

sUp doesn't appreciate what America is.

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

Let's SEE SOME PROOF.

So, you are going to vote for a retard senile old man for President, lol..
Why, WHY DOESNT THAT BOTHER ANY DEMOCRAT?

straightUp Loc: California

This is probably the 5th time that I've seen you do this. LOL... So, were you one of those kids in grade school that went around spreading rumors about other kids behind their backs? Ya know, it's kind of a weasel thing to do.

But since you brought it up... Sure, I immigrated here from the UK with my parents when I was a baby. If we came illegally I would be what you call a Dreamer. But not only did we come here legally, we were invited here because the U.S. aerospace industry was desperate for qualified engineers, which they had to get from Europe. My dad was one of them. In fact, they gave him citizenship and national security clearance almost immediately.

I had to wait until I turned 18 to naturalize as a U.S. citizen, which means I had to pass that U.S. civics test that natural born citizens are not required to take but studies have found that when they do the vast majority of them fail miserably.

But enough about me... Let's talk about what America had to overcome to become a constitutional republic (which is not a proper noun, so you don't have to capitalize).

Let's start with the fact that Britain was already a constitutional monarchy, where the king might have been the head of state but the government was controlled by representatives in Parliament and the biggest influence on those representatives was the merchant class that basically owned the colonies through corporate charters.

What this means is that before America became a republic or even a sovereign nation it was a profit seeking business and as such, many unfair policies were deployed, mostly based on maximizing profit for the owners at the expense of both the colonists in America producing the raw material and the workers producing finished products in Britain (where the Industrial Revolution was already starting). And if that wasn't bad enough, Britain was also starting it's abolition movement which threatened to squeeze the plantations even more.

So... some local slave-owning businessmen got together and started forming a resistance movement. This created a division on both sides of the pond as the conservatives (Tories) we're concerned about protecting the business and the liberals (Whigs) were excited about sticking it to the Tories.

The resistance movement gathered momentum (at least among the Whigs) and recruited militias from 13 of the 29 colonies then wrote an FU letter to the king. So the king sent in some troops that basically kicked ass, but then the French, who were still smarting from losing the last war to Britain saw the opportunity to screw them out of their colonies... So THEY sent in some troops and advisors and that changed the game. In response, the king (who was actually German) hired some German mercenaries (Hessians) to supplement his regiments and of course all the slaves that weren't chained down jumped on the British side. There was a bunch of smoke and blood and flags and eventually, The redcoats cut their losses and left. Kinda like we did in Vietnam and for much the same reason. Political pressure. The Whigs (in Britain) were opposed to the war.

I know this isn't the version you're familiar with and it makes sense that it wouldn't be. Most countries resulting from a revolution take the same approach to their own history... The revolution is always glorious and the peasants always drive the highly trained military forces out with their pitchforks and the will of God. It's just not a proper birth of nation if it doesn't in some way retell the story of David and Goliath.

In any case, we're not at the republic yet. The second part of what America had to "overcome", was the disputes among their own leaders as to how to take over the business. They needed a new system of authority to replace the Crown. But should that be left up the 13 colonies states as individual sovereignties? Or should they go with a confederacy, which was kind of the default at the time?

In the end, they decided on a more centralized but federated government. So the next question... Monarchy or republic? Indeed, there was a serious argument for making George Washington the new King of America, which invalidates all that glorious nonsense about the revolution being a war against monarchy. They decided to make Washington a president, thereby making the new nation a republic. (Republic = ANY form of government where the head of state is an elected president).

Everything else they pretty kept the same but with new names... so the House of Lords became the Senate and the House of Commons became the House of Representatives... Common Law of course and a judicial branch to uphold it. A Constitution with a Bill of Rights... all adopted from the old British system in the interest of minimizing disruption to the business they were now in charge of.

A few years later the Tories became Federalists with close ties to the British corporations that continued to profit from the plantations even though they could no longer force their will through the Crown.

In the end, nothing really changed. America is still primarily a business where we toil under a centralized authority that serves the corporations that serve the wealthy class. Maybe we're a little more delusional now because we are told we can vote, but being flooded with so much misinformation, many of us don't really know if we are actually voting in our interest or against our interests and half of us don't even bother. We don't even elect our president... the EC does... on behalf of Congress. Technically, a vote for the president is a vote for which party gets the electoral vote for your district, but the EC can still dissent, so ultimately we get what we get... and how different is that really from a monarchy?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Good history lesson, sUp.
In short; The cattle get manipulated by special interests, without knowing, or bothering to know what is really going on, and for what.

"so ultimately we get what we get... and how different is that really from a monarchy?" - straightUp

We don't have a King or Queen.
England's is pretty much for show now. Little power there.

BTW; When I mention that you are Limey, I am having fun with you and your liberal take on things.

Milosia

I forgot to mention the Taliban was employed by the CIA as a force against the Russians. Bin Laden was on the payroll too. Shocking I know.
Benghazi Embassy had a prison in the basement of the Embassy.
Cut it and dice however makes you happy, but, bottom line is you don’t know, and never will.

The other thing is this, how can we maintain perpetual war without generals to fight back, without them having weapons to fight with.
I hope this. Shines a little light your misinformation campaign.