kemmer

Maybe sometime you should get brave and get out of the Tenderloin.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

While you live in Castro. Absolutely!

kemmer

I don't live in the City; 100 mi. away, but am a registered parishioner at the Catholic church in the Castro.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Well, bless your little heart!

Mr. Rogers

So, are these the things that Americans want? Who do you suggest will accomplish these things?

Mr. Rogers

The world hates Christ. Christ is the savior of the whole world.

Mr. Rogers

Christians came to America to establish a government in which they could live under. Non-Christians are now trying to take over their land.

straightUp Loc: California

AS a matter of fact, yes... I love their tacos... which I eat and eventually it turns into crap. You might have known that if you weren't so busy denying science.


LOL - And I bet you think you're not a bigot, right?


Not yours. I thought I made that pretty clear.


I stand for humanity and justice. I guess you find that offensive. Get over it.


Yes, I know bigotry is often handed down from generation to generation. Just look at the Sunni Muslims that spend years "studying" the conditions that justify their terrorist attacks on people they think are scumbags. Infidels they call 'em. It's pretty much the same thing bro.


Do you really think I'm going to be affected by a 1000 pages of BS just because YOU think it's real? LOL. Bigots like you do it all the time... They can't come up with a single fact to justify their bigotry so they resort to massive quantities of BS hoping that the sheer number of pages will somehow compensate for their inability to prove or even understand ANY of it. It's a close relation to your other tenent of ignorance, that a lie will become true if you say it enough.


Honestly, I wouldn't expect you to.

straightUp Loc: California

That's exactly how people saw Galileo's assertion that the Earth revolved around the Sun. To ignorant people, accurate descriptions of reality DO appear twisted.


Wow, I've NEVER heard THAT claim before! Ha, ha!
I tell ya what... instead of just parroting that same tired old argument like every other half-wit why don't you explain HOW immigrants stress America's ability to educate our own children. I have two theories on this but I'll you go first, since you're the one making the charge.

...and how was that not part of making America what it is today?


I agree, many immigrants AND many born here have contributed. But this doesn't explain the assertion that immigrants are a burden. In fact, VERY few of those born here would have been if not for an ancestral immigrant. I can't remember the exact figure but it was something like 80% of natural born Americans are only third generation or less.


Well, there's more in that excitable nugget to unpack than you probably realize. I'll just ask some questions...
1. Do you really know that our constitution is the best in the world, or is that just another "polly wanna cracker"? Have you even read a constitution from another country? Can you even name another country with a constitution?
2. Do you think immigrants don't pay taxes?
3. Can you point to the part of our constitution that ensures we can succeed through hard work?


LOL... see here's the problem with bigotry in general... it tends to settle on outdated information, like how old-wives tales survive into the modern era. Do yourself a favor and have a look at some source that aren't 50 years old. You might be surprised. I'll give you two examples from the first article in my search... https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2018-03-19/most-immigrants-outpace-americans-when-it-comes-to-education-with-a-big-exception

1. In a working paper distributed this month by the National Bureau of Economic Research, they documented that most immigrant groups either arrived with high levels of education or their U.S. born children quickly met or exceeded the schooling level of the typical American.

2. male immigrants from Africa arrived with 14.4 years of education, on average, which is the equivalent of a high school diploma plus nearly two and a half years of college. That exceeds the 13.8 years of schooling of the average non-Hispanic white man in the United States.

That second one is about immigrants from what you are calling the "dirty filthy third world"

I'm not just going by what I read either... I'm a first generation American. My father was invited to this country because he had engineering skills that the American aerospace industry was looking for. He was part of what people in Britain called the "brain drain", because back in the 60's the American military-industrial complex was buying up all the brains in Europe. I can tell you now, the people that put our astronauts on the moon were at least 75% immigrants. Meanwhile, I grew up and became a software engineer and I am currently the only American in a team of mostly Indians building critical systems for our health industry. It's not because these Indians are cheap either, they make 100K+, which is more than most Americans make. It's because they are the most qualified candidates available.

So, if there is any truth to the statement that immigrants are somehow interfering with "America's" ability to educate our children, it's the fact that the availability of educated immigrants give corporations that drive our politics the option to import proven talent from abroad rather than invest in American education which may or may not yield the same returns. I am strongly suggesting that this accounts for the fact that state-funded education in America is the lowest rated in the developed world.


If you understood my point and what the word fascism means, you would find I'm not as "off-base" as you would like to believe.

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They think ALL immigrant cross our border from the third world. >> Wrong again.
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OK, that's fair. But just so you know, I wasn't being literal... You just made the point that "12,000,000 illegal blood sucking invaders and so many more from dirty filthy third world countries" invalidates my argument. Tell me that's not an overriding obsession.


First, let me acknowledge my error. I was incorrect in stating that far more immigrants come here with educated backgrounds and indeed immigrants from Mexico are still the largest immigrant faction. And I also agree that many those more educated immigrants DO try to assimilate... to a point. But, I am also noticing an assimilation of American culture to include the values and customs of immigrants and I for one have become a big fan of Indian food.

Something else to point out... the "scream for diversity" is not any louder than the "scream for cultural purity" and in many cases the later is a defiant reaction to the former. Again, from my own experience having grown up in California, it's not the Mexican immigrants so much as their U.S. born children that tattoo themselves with brown pride slogans. They don't have to worry about being deported and they resent the sh*ty treatment they and their parents experienced from white "nativists".


You wanna explain that Mr. LogicallyRight, or should I just assume that's pure bigotry?


LOL - well THAT's not worth responding to.


LOL - Does Bernie look like someone who would order the death of 100,000,000 American citizens? Talk about obsessive-delirium. Bernie is a democratic-socialist which is pretty much the opposite of Stalinism. I am so pleased that the younger generation is on the verge of liberating America from these uptight cold-war hang-ups that literally controlled American minds for generations.

And how exactly did we save the world from communists if we never finished the fight in Korea and lost the war in Vietnam, which today is a thriving communist state. How did we save the world from communism if the second largest economy in the world today which owns more and more of America is in fact communist?

It seems to me like you really don't know what communism is.


Aw... sour grapes are so sad.


That's exactly what you ARE scared of. It's no mystery why your attitude is so common among the less-educated. People who can see past your parroting scare you and you know it, I know it, we all know it. This is why you try to explicitly point out that neither AOC nor I have ever had an original thought. It's the thing about us that scares you the most so you bring it up for the purpose of denying it. It's a common theme throughout human history, intellects have always been persecuted in one way or another, their theories marginalized or denied. Trump, Pence and the sad people who see them as heros are very well known for their hostility toward scientists. Climate change is a Chinese hoax - Ha, ha!


I didn't know I was evil or that people are bowing to me - that's pretty cool. ;)


LOL - I started off as a Republican and matured into a better informed defector and I know a LOT of people who went the same way. I think the people you are referring to are those that just got frustrated with their own ignorance and decided it was better to be a Republican sheep and just follow anyone who opposes all those people who were able to understand things.


LOL - in case you ARE reading this... it's not my expectation... at least not at this point. Trust me, if I wanted you to read it I would have to go back and dumb it down... 'cut the word count by at least 70%, better yet just make a YouTube video since I know most people like you don't read anyway, you watch.

I'm only responding because I like to write. I like to think about how to expose the stupidity of bigotry, it's a practiced skill ;) And who knows? Maybe others will read it and get a laugh.

straightUp Loc: California

I currently live in PA, which is OK, (Well... Philadelphia is OK) but I used to live in California and I really miss it. Definitely going back as soon as I can. As Jim Morrison said... "The West is the Best" (he even says it twice in that song because it's soooo true) ;)

straightUp Loc: California

Dude... a place in Tahoe and season tix at the SF Opera?! Can we we be friends? LOL

San Francisco is my favorite American city. Sure there's the grimier side of it but it's not as bad as New York, which is the ONLY city where I have EVER seen needles which still doesn't stop me from saying "I Heart NY". Both cities have so much to offer and people who have brains know how to experience it in style instead of without stepping on needles with their bare feet. Maybe them hillbillies just can't figure that one out. ;)