Thoughts - Bills
Feb 25, 2020 02:26:45 #
Feb 25, 2020 04:17:11 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Would it work?
I saw something similar, except it had criminal penalties for any politician who presented a bill written in legalese. Author Robert Heinlein posited something similar in Expanded Universe. (The unbelievable part was that this bill was introduced by a politician.) LOL
I would add that if Congress really are public servants, then they should live like it. Build them a dorm, and a mom and pop cafeteria to eat in. With room and board taken care of, they should be able to live just fine on $8/hour like they expect so many other people to do.
Every Congress critter or Senator should be required to demonstrate they know the difference between "serve" and "service." A pastor serves his congregation. A stud bull services a heifer. No wonder politicians refer to their actions as public service.
Feb 25, 2020 05:42:10 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Would it work?
Our law is steeped in history as is the language used to write it. To ban what is pejoratively referred as legalese is to ignore that proud history and the accuracy that concise language adds to law. An orthopedic surgeon refers to a comminuted fracture of the third and fourth metatarsal instead of a busted foot for good reason, it conveys more useful information about the type and extent injury than the latter. The fact that the brick layer who dropped a block on his foot doesn’t understand the terms is largely irrelevant. Why should our legal system change a term like writ of mandamus to “the judge made them do it” to satisfy ignorance?
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Feb 25, 2020 06:13:19 #
Kevyn wrote:
Our law is steeped in history as is the language u... (show quote)
"It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?" -- James Madison, Federalist Papers 62
Feb 25, 2020 06:15:43 #
Feb 25, 2020 06:18:16 #
American Vet wrote:
"It will be of little avail to the people, th... (show quote)
I think both you and Kevyn make valid points...
Certainly laws should not be so convoluted as to be unintelligible... Yet proper wording should be adhered to...
Education is certainly the greatest factor...
Feb 25, 2020 06:30:48 #
Kevyn wrote:
Our law is steeped in history as is the language u... (show quote)
There is truth in this, but a comminuted fracture is better described to the patient, who by now has been given something for pain, has two foot bones that are broken in several places. Then you can prescribe a consensual treatment plan.
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Feb 25, 2020 06:52:06 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I think both you and Kevyn make valid points...
Certainly laws should not be so convoluted as to be unintelligible... Yet proper wording should be adhered to...
Education is certainly the greatest factor...
Certainly laws should not be so convoluted as to be unintelligible... Yet proper wording should be adhered to...
Education is certainly the greatest factor...
Proper wording, in layman's terms, simply means using a few more words. Nothing wrong with using the KISS principle (keep it simple Sergeant).
"comminuted fracture of the third and fourth metatarsal" = multiple fractures of the small bones in your foot.
In the example Kevyboy used here, I am quite sure that a medical professional had to explain to most Congress critters exactly what was meant.
What would be the problem with using both?
Feb 25, 2020 07:25:44 #
As Robert Eagleson, a scholar on the topic, has put it: Plain language “lets the message come through with the greatest of ease.”
Simplified writing skills and language have emerged in industry since about the 70s??
The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission published A Plain English Handbook for people drafting security disclosure documents which is still used..
GE has converted almost all of their contracts to plain language text and its catching on yet still slow in the business world as a whole..
I think its a great way to handle all communication, clear, concise to the point and certainly easier to comprehend..which is why lawyers don’t like it...🙃😊
Simplified writing skills and language have emerged in industry since about the 70s??
The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission published A Plain English Handbook for people drafting security disclosure documents which is still used..
GE has converted almost all of their contracts to plain language text and its catching on yet still slow in the business world as a whole..
I think its a great way to handle all communication, clear, concise to the point and certainly easier to comprehend..which is why lawyers don’t like it...🙃😊
Feb 25, 2020 08:17:31 #
lindajoy wrote:
.I think its a great way to handle all communication, clear, concise to the point and certainly easier to comprehend..which is why lawyers don’t like it...🙃😊
Feb 25, 2020 08:27:23 #
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Feb 25, 2020 09:11:00 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Would it work?
No, it wouldn't work - not because it's a bad idea, but because every lawyer world wide would stop working in protest........................which would halt everything, and I do mean everything.
Feb 25, 2020 09:15:31 #
lpnmajor wrote:
No, it wouldn't work - not because it's a bad idea, but because every lawyer world wide would stop working in protest........................which would halt everything, and I do mean everything.
Perhaps a Shakespearean solution is called for
Feb 25, 2020 09:19:00 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Perhaps a Shakespearean solution is called for
You mean like~~ ” lets kill all the lawyers”???🙃🗣
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