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Apr 22, 2014 06:15:27   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
We had the Congress which made law, then the Administrative branch, which now changes law and now - the Supreme Court, which modifies cases - so it can change law as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/us/politics/justice-stevenss-prescription-for-giant-step-in-wrong-direction.html?emc=edit_th_20140422&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=68247748&_r=0

We hear a lot of noise about the Government "over reaching" and a tremendous cacophony of voices complaining about the Presidents use of " executive orders ", but here is the most blatant misuse of power I've ever seen. The SC is NOT empowered to make law, nor is it authorized to change law. It's sole responsibility is to the constitutionality of existing law and it's attending rules.

Should the supreme court find a law unconstitutional, it can make recommendations to the Congress on how to correct the law. It does NOT have the authority to dictate to the Congress what the law will be. The lack of protest, from the Congress, about the "Citizens United" rulings, it's subsequent related campaign finance rulings and it's modification of existing campaign finance rules, is telling. The Congress becomes outraged, when the President " bypasses the Congress with executive orders", but says little, when the SC does the same.

By modifying a case before it, in order to exert it's political will, the SC not only violates it's charter, it violates the Constitution itself. There is to be only ONE legislative branch of Government, to make the laws, Only ONE administrative branch, to manage the laws and ONE judicial branch, to ensure that the laws are constitutional. It is forbidden for the SC to make or modify law, yet it does it and with the apparent blessing of the other two branches of Government. Why? the same reason as always - money. The other two branches of Gov. are willing to overlook this breach of law, because they benefit greatly by it.

Our Republic has been sold to the highest bidder and this breach of democracy has been given the appearance of legality by the SC. " we the people" will never be the highest bidder, they've got no money, the purchasers of the Republic have made sure of that. The SC has also eroded the voices of representative groups, such as unions, in it's recent rulings. If the dollar is to be the people's voice, according to the SC, then those with the most dollars have the loudest voices, which means, the majority of people will never be heard again. They can't afford the admission price.

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Apr 22, 2014 06:47:24   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
lpnmajor wrote:
We had the Congress which made law, then the Administrative branch, which now changes law and now - the Supreme Court, which modifies cases - so it can change law as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/us/politics/justice-stevenss-prescription-for-giant-step-in-wrong-direction.html?emc=edit_th_20140422&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=68247748&_r=0

We hear a lot of noise about the Government "over reaching" and a tremendous cacophony of voices complaining about the Presidents use of " executive orders ", but here is the most blatant misuse of power I've ever seen. The SC is NOT empowered to make law, nor is it authorized to change law. It's sole responsibility is to the constitutionality of existing law and it's attending rules.

Should the supreme court find a law unconstitutional, it can make recommendations to the Congress on how to correct the law. It does NOT have the authority to dictate to the Congress what the law will be. The lack of protest, from the Congress, about the "Citizens United" rulings, it's subsequent related campaign finance rulings and it's modification of existing campaign finance rules, is telling. The Congress becomes outraged, when the President " bypasses the Congress with executive orders", but says little, when the SC does the same.

By modifying a case before it, in order to exert it's political will, the SC not only violates it's charter, it violates the Constitution itself. There is to be only ONE legislative branch of Government, to make the laws, Only ONE administrative branch, to manage the laws and ONE judicial branch, to ensure that the laws are constitutional. It is forbidden for the SC to make or modify law, yet it does it and with the apparent blessing of the other two branches of Government. Why? the same reason as always - money. The other two branches of Gov. are willing to overlook this breach of law, because they benefit greatly by it.

Our Republic has been sold to the highest bidder and this breach of democracy has been given the appearance of legality by the SC. " we the people" will never be the highest bidder, they've got no money, the purchasers of the Republic have made sure of that. The SC has also eroded the voices of representative groups, such as unions, in it's recent rulings. If the dollar is to be the people's voice, according to the SC, then those with the most dollars have the loudest voices, which means, the majority of people will never be heard again. They can't afford the admission price.
We had the Congress which made law, then the Admin... (show quote)


This is why I advocate term limits for the SC also. (I mean other than dying ). A judge is appointed for life to the highest court in the land, and is supposed to be and remain apolitical, feeling no sense of obligation to the political party who put him or her there, when this judge would not have been nominated had their politics not been in line with the majority party at the time. To believe they were nominated strictly on honesty and competence is naive beyond all reason.

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Apr 22, 2014 07:12:08   #
Patty
 
You are both so right. Our government system is critically ill and needs to die so we can get a fresh new system going in Washington.

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Apr 22, 2014 08:11:45   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
Patty wrote:
You are both so right. Our government system is critically ill and needs to die so we can get a fresh new system going in Washington.


We don't need a fresh new system - just fresh new members that are willing to follow the old, tried and true system that has served us faithfully since it was originated.

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Apr 22, 2014 08:21:29   #
Patty
 
I agree that we need the old tried and true system. That is not the one that is in place now though. Every market is manipulated and this country can no longer be by definition a Democratic Republic with a capitalistic economic system.
With the elimination of the Glass– Steagall Act the banks were allowed to expand to an enormous size that is risky to our country.
"Just like the hit series "House Of Cards," Wall Street earnings season has become rife with manipulation, deceit and obfuscation that could rival the dark corners of Washington, D.C. From time to time I do an analysis of the previous quarters earnings for the S&P 500 in order to reveal the "quality" of earnings rather than the "quantity" as focused on by Wall Street. One of the most interesting data points continues to the be the extremely low level of "top line" revenue growth as compared to an explosion of the bottom line earnings per share. This is something that I have dubbed "accounting magic" and is represented by the following chart which shows that since 2009 total revenue growth has grown by just 31% while profits have skyrocketed by 253%."
The next chart shows that the surge in corporate profitability in recent years is a result of a consistent reduction of both employment and wage growth. This has been achieved by increases in productivity, technology and offshoring of labor. However, it is important to note that benefits from such actions are finite."




Unclet wrote:
We don't need a fresh new system - just fresh new members that are willing to follow the old, tried and true system that has served us faithfully since it was originated.





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Apr 22, 2014 08:25:31   #
Liberty Tree
 
lpnmajor wrote:
We had the Congress which made law, then the Administrative branch, which now changes law and now - the Supreme Court, which modifies cases - so it can change law as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/us/politics/justice-stevenss-prescription-for-giant-step-in-wrong-direction.html?emc=edit_th_20140422&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=68247748&_r=0

We hear a lot of noise about the Government "over reaching" and a tremendous cacophony of voices complaining about the Presidents use of " executive orders ", but here is the most blatant misuse of power I've ever seen. The SC is NOT empowered to make law, nor is it authorized to change law. It's sole responsibility is to the constitutionality of existing law and it's attending rules.

Should the supreme court find a law unconstitutional, it can make recommendations to the Congress on how to correct the law. It does NOT have the authority to dictate to the Congress what the law will be. The lack of protest, from the Congress, about the "Citizens United" rulings, it's subsequent related campaign finance rulings and it's modification of existing campaign finance rules, is telling. The Congress becomes outraged, when the President " bypasses the Congress with executive orders", but says little, when the SC does the same.

By modifying a case before it, in order to exert it's political will, the SC not only violates it's charter, it violates the Constitution itself. There is to be only ONE legislative branch of Government, to make the laws, Only ONE administrative branch, to manage the laws and ONE judicial branch, to ensure that the laws are constitutional. It is forbidden for the SC to make or modify law, yet it does it and with the apparent blessing of the other two branches of Government. Why? the same reason as always - money. The other two branches of Gov. are willing to overlook this breach of law, because they benefit greatly by it.

Our Republic has been sold to the highest bidder and this breach of democracy has been given the appearance of legality by the SC. " we the people" will never be the highest bidder, they've got no money, the purchasers of the Republic have made sure of that. The SC has also eroded the voices of representative groups, such as unions, in it's recent rulings. If the dollar is to be the people's voice, according to the SC, then those with the most dollars have the loudest voices, which means, the majority of people will never be heard again. They can't afford the admission price.
We had the Congress which made law, then the Admin... (show quote)


The original intent was for the SC to compare a law to the Constitution and make its ruling on that. Now the SC and other courts decide what they want the law to be and then find a way to "interpret" the Constitution to justify its ruling.

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Apr 22, 2014 09:00:25   #
Paul Andy
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
The original intent was for the SC to compare a law to the Constitution and make its ruling on that. Now the SC and other courts decide what they want the law to be and then find a way to "interpret" the Constitution to justify its ruling.

Thank you, Liberty Tree! After all the twaddle about banks, et. al., YOU'VE NAILED IT!!!

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Apr 22, 2014 09:05:37   #
Patty
 
Who do you think is running this country?
“Let me issue and control a nation’s money, and I care not who writes its laws.”

- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild (1773-1855), London financier, one of the founders of the international Rothschild banking dynasty, 1838.

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Apr 22, 2014 09:14:01   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
lpnmajor wrote:
We had the Congress which made law, then the Administrative branch, which now changes law and now - the Supreme Court, which modifies cases - so it can change law as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/us/politics/justice-stevenss-prescription-for-giant-step-in-wrong-direction.html?emc=edit_th_20140422&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=68247748&_r=0

We hear a lot of noise about the Government "over reaching" and a tremendous cacophony of voices complaining about the Presidents use of " executive orders ", but here is the most blatant misuse of power I've ever seen. The SC is NOT empowered to make law, nor is it authorized to change law. It's sole responsibility is to the constitutionality of existing law and it's attending rules.

Should the supreme court find a law unconstitutional, it can make recommendations to the Congress on how to correct the law. It does NOT have the authority to dictate to the Congress what the law will be. The lack of protest, from the Congress, about the "Citizens United" rulings, it's subsequent related campaign finance rulings and it's modification of existing campaign finance rules, is telling. The Congress becomes outraged, when the President " bypasses the Congress with executive orders", but says little, when the SC does the same.

By modifying a case before it, in order to exert it's political will, the SC not only violates it's charter, it violates the Constitution itself. There is to be only ONE legislative branch of Government, to make the laws, Only ONE administrative branch, to manage the laws and ONE judicial branch, to ensure that the laws are constitutional. It is forbidden for the SC to make or modify law, yet it does it and with the apparent blessing of the other two branches of Government. Why? the same reason as always - money. The other two branches of Gov. are willing to overlook this breach of law, because they benefit greatly by it.

Our Republic has been sold to the highest bidder and this breach of democracy has been given the appearance of legality by the SC. " we the people" will never be the highest bidder, they've got no money, the purchasers of the Republic have made sure of that. The SC has also eroded the voices of representative groups, such as unions, in it's recent rulings. If the dollar is to be the people's voice, according to the SC, then those with the most dollars have the loudest voices, which means, the majority of people will never be heard again. They can't afford the admission price.
We had the Congress which made law, then the Admin... (show quote)


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Apr 22, 2014 09:23:13   #
Brian Devon
 
lpnmajor wrote:
We had the Congress which made law, then the Administrative branch, which now changes law and now - the Supreme Court, which modifies cases - so it can change law as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/22/us/politics/justice-stevenss-prescription-for-giant-step-in-wrong-direction.html?emc=edit_th_20140422&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=68247748&_r=0

We hear a lot of noise about the Government "over reaching" and a tremendous cacophony of voices complaining about the Presidents use of " executive orders ", but here is the most blatant misuse of power I've ever seen. The SC is NOT empowered to make law, nor is it authorized to change law. It's sole responsibility is to the constitutionality of existing law and it's attending rules.

Should the supreme court find a law unconstitutional, it can make recommendations to the Congress on how to correct the law. It does NOT have the authority to dictate to the Congress what the law will be. The lack of protest, from the Congress, about the "Citizens United" rulings, it's subsequent related campaign finance rulings and it's modification of existing campaign finance rules, is telling. The Congress becomes outraged, when the President " bypasses the Congress with executive orders", but says little, when the SC does the same.

By modifying a case before it, in order to exert it's political will, the SC not only violates it's charter, it violates the Constitution itself. There is to be only ONE legislative branch of Government, to make the laws, Only ONE administrative branch, to manage the laws and ONE judicial branch, to ensure that the laws are constitutional. It is forbidden for the SC to make or modify law, yet it does it and with the apparent blessing of the other two branches of Government. Why? the same reason as always - money. The other two branches of Gov. are willing to overlook this breach of law, because they benefit greatly by it.

Our Republic has been sold to the highest bidder and this breach of democracy has been given the appearance of legality by the SC. " we the people" will never be the highest bidder, they've got no money, the purchasers of the Republic have made sure of that. The SC has also eroded the voices of representative groups, such as unions, in it's recent rulings. If the dollar is to be the people's voice, according to the SC, then those with the most dollars have the loudest voices, which means, the majority of people will never be heard again. They can't afford the admission price.
We had the Congress which made law, then the Admin... (show quote)




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Good post. This Citizens United ruling is a disaster for anyone with less than a billion dollars. Combine this with the 19th century Supreme Court ruling, that corporations are persons, in terms of rights, and you have the formula for a permanent aristocracy and a permanent peasantry.

Someone once said, "freedom of the press belongs to the man who owns one".

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Apr 22, 2014 09:23:28   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Patty wrote:
Who do you think is running this country?
“Let me issue and control a nation’s money, and I care not who writes its laws.”

- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild (1773-1855), London financier, one of the founders of the international Rothschild banking dynasty, 1838.


Yes. When we seek any personal gain we only make it true.

As zeros are added to the numbers we only fall farther behind. & greater greed rules the day.

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Apr 22, 2014 09:25:52   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Brian Devon wrote:
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Good post. This Citizens United ruling is a disaster for anyone with less than a billion dollars. Combine this with the 19th century Supreme Court ruling, that corporations are persons, in terms of rights, and you have the formula for a permanent aristocracy and a permanent peasantry.

Someone once said, "freedom of the press belongs to the man who owns one".


How about those that would add that Greed is Good

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Apr 22, 2014 09:28:35   #
Patty
 
Floyd they think they can devalue away our debt and have flooded the globe with dollars. Since 2008 they have gone from 800 billion to 4 trillion M1 ( global money supple)
This devaluing the dollar drops the true debt value and also makes other countries dollar value dropand the imported goods (gas) can steer us away from the deflation that is naturally trying to occur due to drops in wages.
If they allow deflation to go unchecked then peoples standard of living goes up due to their dollar buying more but don't paythe 40% tax to them for that increase as we would do in a dollar raise in wages.

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Apr 22, 2014 09:30:37   #
Patty
 
Brian Devon wrote:
******
Good post. This Citizens United ruling is a disaster for anyone with less than a billion dollars. Combine this with the 19th century Supreme Court ruling, that corporations are persons, in terms of rights, and you have the formula for a permanent aristocracy and a permanent peasantry.

Someone once said, "freedom of the press belongs to the man who owns one".


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Apr 22, 2014 09:42:57   #
Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico
 
Patty wrote:
You are both so right. Our government system is critically ill and needs to die so we can get a fresh new system going in Washington.


You are partially right. Once our government sytem dies, then we need to return to the Constitution for going forward. Let the Farmers, Mom n' Pop business owners, true Constitutional thinking lndividuals take the place of the old. We need people who believe in our Constitution and it's value. I think the Bill of Rights need to be rewritten, as the corupt have changed them to their liking. 2 yr term limits for ALL Offices. 2 Representives per State, equally divided between House & Senate. (by draw, not elected to position) Election on merit, no money provided by party, corporation or Individual. Anyone that feels he could help and wants to help the people of his State should be allowed to run. All law done by executive order, or by less than 75% of the Senate are null and void. The House to handle the purse strings, Period. If a balanced budget not gotten, equal =Plus & Minus (Like a balance sheet) then impeachment is required. We should always be in balance+. No more putting more money into the system, just because we need to keep the Dollar strong. We need responsible management of our Currency.

Just some thoughts.

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