Why is it conservatives have such a hard time understanding what impeachment is.
Jan 28, 2020 07:14:42 #
PeterS wrote:
This meme below goes around and around on my Faceb... (show quote)
LOL!!!
That meme is a perfect description of some of the "arguments" I've actually seen right here on OPP over the past few weeks.
To be fair though... I'm betting the only reason why liberals seem to have a better handle on how the process works is because learning about the process actually helps the anti-Trump narrative. Conversely, the pro-Trump narrative depends on a misunderstanding of the process.
I watched some of the trial yesterday and couldn't believe I was watching grown adults putting on a show of really bad rhetorical tricks in front of a Senate that can't possibly be fooled by any of it. The only possible way that "strategy" can work is if the entire purpose is to feed right-wing media with BS charges against Democrats with which to saturate the conservative base that Republican senators have to answer to. I'm sure a complete misunderstanding of the impeachment process helps with that.
Jan 28, 2020 08:10:13 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
straightUp wrote:
LOL!!! br br That meme is a perfect description o... (show quote)
Lol. You must be high.
Jan 28, 2020 08:56:05 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Uh oh! Alan Dershowitz just laid the third degree on the House dems in this "impeachment" trial. Man, did he tell them how the cow ate the cabbage. Essentially he gave those fools an eye-opening education on our Constitution, specifically on how the founders arrived at their conclusions on what constitutes grounds for impeachment and why they set the bar so high.
Dershowitz----part of the Epstein gang. Remember that...
Jan 28, 2020 08:58:04 #
Pariahjf wrote:
Dershowitz----part of the Epstein gang. Remember that...
Whats to remember?
Jan 28, 2020 09:01:00 #
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Jan 28, 2020 09:05:08 #
American Vet wrote:
Please cite....
His name is in the book, too. Along with Weinstein, Clinton, Trump, Maxwell, Acosta, and several others. Wouldn't surprise me if several members of both parties are also tied to this corruption.
Jan 28, 2020 09:05:39 #
Jan 28, 2020 09:29:42 #
American Vet wrote:
Please cite....
I don't know much about Dershowitz's history but how about the fact that he stood in front of Congress and said that Trump's quid-pro-quo is a standard practice in foreign policy? LOL
Aside from virtually admitting that there WAS a quid-pro-quo (Trump's defense can't seem to make up their minds on that one) He is now left with this absurd need to justify it and so this is what he came up with. Sometimes, even an expert can say really stupid things that ANYONE can see through, especially when politics in involved.
Yes, it's standard practice to stipulate terms on our foreign aid, but these terms are always clearly and publicly defined AND agreed upon IN writing BEFORE the aid is approved, not covertly hinted at in coy conversations. And the formal stipulations of foreign aid always involve long-term policies and conditions that benefit the relationship between nations not personal favors.
Dershowitz was obviously trying to blur that line. I'm sure it didn't work on ANYONE in the chamber but I'm sure that's not the point either. I'm sure the point is to convince the lesser educated public into supporting the president.
Jan 28, 2020 09:32:24 #
Jan 28, 2020 10:02:44 #
Pariahjf wrote:
Correct.
Yup... the Republican strategy is to rely on that willful ignorance that Trump himself depends on to generate pressure on Republican lawmakers.
So, not like this...
(Dershowitz) ---/argument/--- (senators)
...because senators know better.
More like this...
(Dershowitz) ---/argument/--- (Fox News) ---/amplify/ --- (deplorables) --- /votes/--- (senators)
...because leveraging the ignorance and pride among the people has always been an effective path to power for those who don't deserve it.
Jan 28, 2020 10:31:42 #
grandaddyw wrote:
you don't understand the house is supposed to nail down what is done wrong the Senate has found nothing wrong..they had a chance but wonted to go to fast, now set down and shut up.
The Senate is the place where the actual trial takes place. Senators are called jurors in this setting. During a trial, documents are presented, witnesses are called, both sides are allowed to ask questions in real time in front of the jury. Except when our corrupt president is involved. In this case, the President's "Fixers" are sent out to clean up the shitshow he caused by bribing a foreign leader for personal gain and obstructing the congress from doing their job. Because it is hard for them to wage a defense on the actual facts before them, they resort to legal blather about the impeachment process and try to make a case that Obama is the person to blame for this mess.
Jan 28, 2020 10:55:38 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Uh oh! Alan Dershowitz just laid the third degree on the House dems in this "impeachment" trial. Man, did he tell them how the cow ate the cabbage. Essentially he gave those fools an eye-opening education on our Constitution, specifically on how the founders arrived at their conclusions on what constitutes grounds for impeachment and why they set the bar so high.
Alan Dershowitz has made a career on defending guilty scumbags, such as O.J. Simpson and Jeffrey Epstein. If the high profile case is juicy enough and the fee big enough, he will flip flop with the best lawyers in town.
In the Epstein case, lawyer Dershowitz was accused of having sex with Epstein's recruits. Maybe he sees the same opportunity in defending Trump.
Jan 28, 2020 10:59:26 #
padremike
Loc: Phenix City, Al
straightUp wrote:
I don't know much about Dershowitz's history but h... (show quote)
"To have a quid you must have quo." Is that unreasonable? If not, name them. It is completely unreasonable, however, if one is a progressive and have only the destruction of the President in their limited hate filled sight. Name the actual crimes that were charged against the President. You can't. At the worst it is merely your thought crimes against Trump's thought crime. Finally, if you could find no merit in the legal defences points made by the Trump team yesterday you might be a typical propagandize non-thinking, blind, dumb and ignorant progressive whose eyes are crosed, whose mother never dressed him right and Jesus don't love you either. Other than those little things you're probably a nice guy. 🤗
Jan 28, 2020 11:30:12 #
DASHY wrote:
The Senate is the place where the actual trial tak... (show quote)
Consider their audience... Both sides of the Senate can see right through their BS, but that isn't who they're appealing to. They are trying to convince the barely-literate constituencies in Republican districts so as to apply pressure to the respective senators to stay loyal to their fuhrer or lose their offices. "Head on a pike" as that White House aide said.
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