son of witless

Waaaay. I thought the House Democrats said they had presented plenty of evidence to convict during the House hearings. If they cannot convict on that evidence alone, I guess they were lying.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

House said they had compelling evidence which they presented they also during their investigation had witness's that they could have interviewed but refuse to interview then now they want the Senate to do what they didn't do to call these witness's in !

It's not the job of the Senate to do the House job ! All in all this is a dog and pony show to remove a duly elected President which they have been trying to do ever before Trump was sworn in !

You are just like the House Democrats you want Trump gone just like they do no matter if it's done illegally !

Even now they are saying if Trump gets acquitted they are going to spend the next 4 yrs continue their impeachment !

The Democrats have lost the election they rigged lost the investigation they rigged all thru the impeachment they started they kept losing !

First collusion with Russia then it was obstruction then it was bribery then it was the phone call to Ukraine Schiff made up a word for word of what Trump said only to be shown how much of a fool he was and then when the transcript was released which he thought Trump wouldn't release wham O it was just a joke !

Sorry pal I'm not in the least bit confused !

It all boils down to you want Trump kicked out no matter what and I in turn want Trump kept in !

DogLover99

Funny, wasn't it was Schumerm Pelosi, Nadler, Schitt and many other Dummycrats that fought against having witnesses and new documents during the Clinton trial?

EconomistDon

Airplane, here you are again with your stupid rants. Amazing how you call everyone stupid if they disagree with your twisted, ignorant logic. There have been NO, NONE, NADA, court orders in the House impeachment hearings. If there had been, Trump's people would have had to comply. BUT, Democrats didn't want to waste time going through the proper channels. What you and most Democrats don't understand is "separation of powers". Congress does not "control" the presidency. Congress is the legislative branch, the presidency is the executive branch, and the courts are the judicial branch. It is a three-legged system of EQUAL partners. If there is a dispute between the legislative branch (Congress) and the executive branch (President), it must be settled by the judicial branch (courts). Schiff's subpoenas had no teeth without support from the courts. So there is no "Obstruction of Congress". That is a completely invalid article of impeachment. The problem is that Schiff knew that going through the proper channels (the courts) would delay the impeachment process many months, possibly beyond the November election. But Schiff knows that Trump is going to win the next election, so he must get Trump out of Office before November. He actually said so in his justification of the impeachment.

Airplane, it is YOU who lives in a bubble of misinformation and ignorance.

BTW, it is obvious that you didn't write the original statement in this thread. It doesn't have GD in every sentence, and the spelling and grammar are far better than your capability.

straightUp Loc: California

...Because, the hearing and the trial are functionally different! The hearing only needs enough evidence to prosecute, the trial is where the conviction happens and for that they need to look at ALL the evidence not just enough to prosecute.


No one is asking the Senate to do the House job! Look I already explained this - I'm not going to explain it again. You obviously have no interest in learning how the process works. Your statements make that very clear.


Polly wanna cracker?


Oh, now it's illegal. Too bad you can't actually explain that. It amazes me that every last remaining Trump supporter is so eager to accuse the Democrats of breaking the law and yet not one of them can actually explain what that means.


Well, we know he's going to be acquitted but that doesn't mean he will get another four years. He actually has to be re-elected for that and I think the odds are against it. But even if he is... I think they should continue to impeach him. Given the evidence so far revealed they should continue to impeach until the Senate finally agrees to do it's damned job and weigh the evidence!


Again, with the baseless accusations. There is ZERO evidence to suggest the Democrats "rigged" the election. Yes, the Democrats lost the electoral vote in 2016 because they were so sure Hillary would win that half their base didn't even vote. It didn't help that they underestimated the hatred that was festering on the right during the previous eight years of having to accept a black family in the Oval Office, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest they "rigged" the election.


Mueller's investigation into Russian interference had nothing to do with Trump. Trump only got involved when he started to obstruct the investigation. And the phone call to the Ukraine WAS the bribery. You're trying to make... "he drove the car" into... "he turned the wheel, THEN he stepped on the gas, THEN he upshifted". lol

Also Trump's career, going back at least 40 years, is a testimony to his brutish character.

So, there's that history to draw upon, right? You can find all that in the conservative press back in the 80's. Look up "National Review"+"NYC"+"eminent domain"+"Donald J. Trump". Thing is... it's consistent. So, why would those people who have come to know him as being consistently brutish expect anything other than a parade of accusations from here to the moon?

I think he's f%*king insane.

...and I think people in Washington are taking advantage.


yeeah - I don't remember anything like that - LOL. But I do remember Schiff talking about the scrap of evidence they had from the whistleblower and speculating on how the rest of the conversation might have gone. So he really didn't have a problem with the transcript or with his speculation being off.

I mean it *did* pale in comparison to the utter shock of realizing that Trump really didn't think he was incriminating himself with that transcript. It's like he and Giuliani are taking hits from the same ballon.


whatever you say cap'n.


lol - no, it's... I want Trump kicked out and you in turn want Trump kept in... no matter what.

;)

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Oh, now it's illegal. Too bad you can't actually explain that. It amazes me that every last remaining Trump supporter is so eager to accuse the Democrats of breaking the law and yet not one of them can actually explain what that means.
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They have nothing no compelling evidence they claim so now they want the Senate to help them find something anything they can find !
It's the House job to present the evidence and the Senate's job to judge that evidence and that's it !

CounterRevolutionary

This Senate hearing on President Trump's impeachment must, just like Nixon's, "Follow the Money."

Yesterday, January 22, 2020, we had a detailed account from the House Intelligence Committee of how President Donald Trump held up the delivery of monetary aid to the Ukraine to fight the dangerous Russian encroachment upon its borders in some fake quid-pro-quo deal for dirt on Joe Biden.

Where would this military aid money appropriated by our Congress be deposited in the Ukraine?

It would be deposited into a highly contested crooked bank, the largest in the Ukrain, fully digitalized and automated, the Privatbank which was nationalized by former Ukrainian President Poroshenko because it was riddled with embezzlement of its cash moving from the Ukraine to Latvia to American banks

But, Privatbank has a tight connection to Barisma gas which is owned by another Russian Mafioso Mykola Zlochevsky. Just prior the win of the comedian Zelensky in the April 2019 Ukrainian election, President Poroshenko re-privatized Privatbank and gave it back to its Russian Mafia oligarch Kolomoisky's possession. Burisma gas company owner, Zlochevsky, (with the company's many subsidiaries merged with Privatbank), vanished and later popped up in Monaco opening a new energy company.

The European Union now wants to circumvent President Trump's sanctions against Iranian oil purchases and is cooking up a loophole through Burisma to Iran, the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism. By the way, Hunter Biden as well as Devon Asher of Sec. State John Kerry's former presidential campaign,, and Bill Clinton's 1999 CIA Counter terrorist chief, Joseph Cofer Black, all sat on Burisma's board of executives under the direction of Zlochevsky. Look this up on Wikipedia and scroll down to "Management":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burisma_Holdings

So, what is going on between Burisma and Privatbank of the Ukraine while the new President Zelensky is saddled with cleaning up this den of thieves?:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/did-biden-save-this-ukraine-firm-responsible-for-1-8b-in-missing-aid-his-son-is-on-the-board/
PJ Media: News and Politics
Did Biden Save This Ukraine Firm Responsible for $1.8B in Missing Aid? His Son is on the Board...
By Tyler O'Neil March 21, 2018
… Two major figures in this corruption feature prominently in Biden's Ukraine investment.

"Zlochevsky founded Burisma in Cyprus in 2006. He served as natural resources minister under Yanukovych, and gave himself the licenses to develop the country's abundant gas fields. He also had a flare for lavishness, running a super-exclusive fashion boutique named after himself.

"Burisma's major subsidiaries ended up sharing the same business ad-dress as the natural gas firm controlled by Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky. He controlled the country's largest financial institution, ProvatBank, through which the Ukrainian military and government workers got paid. He also owned media companies and airlines. In violation of Ukraine law, he maintained Ukrainian, Israeli, and Cypriot passports."

Is this where Congress and the IMF intend to deposit military aid packages to the Ukraine?

Wouldn't it be best for President Trump to wait for the newly elected President Zelensky to set up his new cabinet and justice department to clean up the Privatbank of the Ukraine before the United States deposits any financial aid money into the hands of the Russian mafia, Kolomoisky and Zlochevsky? How much of this money will end up purchasing Iranian oil for the European Union?

PJ Media continues:
"Kolomoisky gained a reputation for violence and brutality, along with lawlessness. Rival oligarchs have sued him for alleged involvement in "murders and beheadings" related to a business deal. He also allegedly used "hired rowdies armed with baseball bats, iron bars, gas and rubber bullet pistols and chainsaws" to take over a steel plant in 2006. He built his multibillion-dollar empire by "raiding" other companies, forcing them to merge with his own using brute force.

"For these and other reasons, the U.S. government placed Kolomoisky on its visa ban list, pro-hibiting him from entering the country legally. In 2015, however, after Hunter Biden and Devon Archer had joined Burisma's board, Kolomoisky was given admittance back into the U.S.

"Archer and the younger Biden brought other benefits to Burisma, however. Archer represented the company at the Louisiana Gulf Coast Oil Exposition in 2015. Biden addressed the Energy Security for the Future conference in Monaco. The vice president's son brought much-needed legitimacy to the shoddy gas company.

"Less than a month after Archer joined Burisma's board, the company hired another Kerry lackey, David Leiter, as a lobbyist in Washington, D.C. He successfully lobbied for more aid to the country.

"Both Biden and Kerry championed $1.8 billion in taxpayer-backed loans to be given to Ukraine courtesy of the IMF. That money would go directly through Kolomoisky's PrivatBank, and then it would disappear.

According to the Ukrainian anticorruption watchdog Nashi Groshi, 'This transaction of $1.8 bil-lion ... with the help of fake contracts was simply an asset siphoning operation.'"
End of article.

Joseph Cofer Black of Burisma, and Blake Darche (founder of CrowdStrike where Hillary Clinton's DNC computer was inspected for "Russian hacking"), both men from the CIA, stationed in the Ukraine, makes this whole fake impeachment affair stink to high heaven. Bells and whistles should be going off. Shut down the CIA!

Our good President Trump is trying to protect us from subsidizing the Russian Mafia and Iranian terrorists, and the Democrats are having a purple snit, insisting our financial aid to the Ukraine get into the most corrupt bank on the planet before Zelensky can clean up the mess.

[b[Follow the money, guys![/b]

promilitary

Where the democrats witnesses when they impeached him????

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

They had subpoenaed witnesses and when the witnesses were going to court and the Dem's knew they would lose so they dropped those subpoenas !

Now they want the Senate to bring them in as witnesses the very one's they refused to interview !
Nothing short of a dog and pony show !

CounterRevolutionary

Here is evidence depicting how dependent the European Union was upon Iranian oil prior President Trump's increased sanctions upon Iran.

Trump had mandated the EU would receive no more loans from the International Monetary fund (IMF) where the Dollar is still the International Standard Currency, nor loans from the United States if the any EU nations broke the embargo on Iranian trade.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rushed the impeachment quickly through the House, ignoring her ability to subpoena witnesses, by January 1st, 2020, hoping the value of the US dollar would collapse and the International Monetary Fund would substitute SDRs as the new International currency. This would recruit more senatorial support for Trump's impeachment. Trump's rebuilding of our economy and Gross Domestic Production was enough to pay down our national debt with $11 trillion new dollars and strengthen the value of our dollar. The Democrat plot to impoverish the United States and advance the merger with the North American Union collapsed. So they switched tactics to such a vague accusation of "Impeachment for Abuse of Power" for a quid-pro-quo dig-up-dirt-on-Biden deal with Zelensky.

Nobody in their right mind would believe this nonsense. Follow the money, guys!

The EU is looking to the myriad of subsidiaries of BURISMA Holdings and its partner the Russian Mafioso controlled Privatbank of the Ukraine as a potential loophole to circumvent the Sanctions on Iranian commerce. Burisma's owner, Mykalo Zlochevsky has opened a new energy business in Monaco after vanishing from the Ukraine, and Burisma, headquartered in Cyprus, has contracts with Mexico, Italy, Kazakhstan and Germany, (Germany being Iran's former biggest EU trading partner).

Apparently, the Democrats would prefer to subsidize the Russian Mafia through Barisma and the Privatbank and contract with Iranian terrorists who have moved into Latin America and threaten our borders, hiding out in our sanctuary cities, than defend our own national security or the national security of the Ukraine. (see CR's post above) All Trump wanted was to allow the Ukrainian President time to clean up this crooked Ukrainian bank prior our depositing one more cent into this capital of embezzlement.

The Democrats parading its presidential candidate Joe Biden as a victim feigning persecution, while President Trump shields us from Russian Mafioso bankster-gangsterss and terrorist, a virtual den of thieves, is beyond the pale.

https://en.radiofarda.com/a/iran-s-exports-to-eu-drop-sixteen-fold-as-europe-stops-buying-iranian-oil/29920816.html
Iran’s Exports To EU Drop Sixteen Fold As Europe Stops Buying Iranian Oil

"Based on the latest official figures released by the European Union, the amount of Iranian ex-ports to the EU in the first two months of 2019 have dropped SIXTEEN FOLDS compared with the same period in the previous year.

"Meanwhile, the value of the EU export to Iran also decreased nearly to one-third of what it was in January-February 2018.

"The statistics published on the official website of the statistical office of the European Union, Eurostat, also reveal that the value of products the Islamic Republic exported to the EU was only 136 million euros (approximately $152 million).

"The same source also reveals that before the United States’ withdrawal from the Joint Com-prehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) or Tehran’s nuclear deal with world powers in May 2018, the value of Iranians export to the EU in the first two months of the same year amounted to more than 2.2 billion euros (approximately $2.5 billion).

"However, the dramatic drop in Iranian exports to EU was in line with expectations, since 90% of it was crude and energy-related products. European countries stopped buying oil from the Islamic Republic in mid-2018.

"The United States imposed financial and industrial sanctions on Tehran in August 2018, fol-lowed by bans on its oil exports and banking sector in November.

"In the meantime, the value of the EU exports to Iran also dropped to 621 million euros ($695 million) in January-February 2019, while in the same period last year it amounted to 1.56 billion euros (roughly $1.75 billion).

"According to the European Commission official figures, the 28-member union exported 8.9 billion euros (approximately $9.9 billion) to Iran in 2018, about 17.6 percent less than 2017, while their imports from Iran declined 4 percent year-on-year to 9.72 billion euros (approximately $10.86 billion).

"he details of the statistics point to the fact that Iranian exports to the EU started to plummet in mid-2018, as most European clients stopped buying crude from Iran.

"The value of EU's imports from Iran amounted to 9.72 billion euros (roughly $10.855 billion) in 2018, or 4% less than 2017.

"Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Austria, and Greece are the leading European trade partners of the Islamic Republic, respectively.

"The latest statistics show that exports and imports between each of these individual countries and Iran have also sharply dropped in the first two months of the current year.

"Germany, as the biggest trade partner of Iran, lost almost half of its exports' value to the Islamic Republic in the first two months of 2019.

"Nonetheless, the other major European trade partners of Iran lost more exports to the Islamic Republic than Germany.

"Based on the EU statistics, France, Italy, Spain, and Greece used to buy Iranian crude up to mid-2018, which accounted for almost all of the imports from the Islamic Republic.

"Iran Trade Promotion Organization (ITPO) recently reported that the value of Iran's imports from the EU in last Iranian calendar year (ended March 20, 2019) reached $9.82 billion, with nearly 22% drop compared with the previous year.

"China, the United Arab Emirates, and the EU are now Iran's main trading partners, accounting for 19.5%, 16.8%, and 16.3% of Iran’s trade respectively. The EU used to be the first trading partner of Iran before the current U.S. sanctions regime was imposed on the Islamic Republic."
end

The history of this Barisma and partnership with Privatbank with its ties to Russian Mafia oligarchs, embezzlement of funds, lack of banking liquidity, ties to terrorism since the Maiden Revolution in the Ukraine with Mikhal Khordakovsky and George Soros, international terrorists and drug traffickers, is public knowledge and well understood by every Democrat congressman in office. Just how much of our American aid to the Ukraine deposited in this notorious bank, would reach the Ukrainian soldiers and people?

EconomistDon

Thank you CounterRev. I can imagine Airplane and the rest of the lefty loonies with their fingers in their ears, going "LaLaLaLa" to avoid your post. If witnesses are called in the Senate, this information must come out. Trump was holding the funds for very good reason, and said that already. Trump explained that Zelensky was new to the scene in the Ukraine, and Trump needed to determine who he could trust before releasing the funds. But the real reasons for withholding the funds do not support the Democrat hatred that is driving this impeachment. So they will go on with "LaLaLaLa" and spouting their hatred.

BTW, the GAO reported that Obama withheld funds to other countries something like 19 times. No big deal. And Obama gave very little to the Ukraine because he was afraid of upsetting Putin.

jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin

The Dog and Pony show is Trump and all of his GOP far right looneys

straightUp Loc: California

Yeah... I already explained the process to you and you refuse to listen. So if you want to continue criticizing people who are following a process you don't care to understand. Knock yourself out. Politicians LOVE folks like you.

Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas

Damn StraightUp!!!........you have been busy on the forum as of late.

Everything ok man?

straightUp Loc: California

Well, they certainly turned it into a Dog and Pony show. As far as I am concerned, Trump isn't even the main issue here - it's Congress that's effectively being tested. The evidence against Trump is so overwhelming it's not even a debate anymore so the focus is shifting to the senators themselves.

Many of them are continuing to insist there is no proof of wrongdoing but their ONLY argument is... "because I say so". It's what you call flat-out denial, which is why they don't want to argue or debate the evidence.

In fairness to true conservatives (as opposed to the rabid right) it seems there ARE Republicans in Congress with an interest in doing what's right but they are being heavily warned not to vote against Trump. Word got out from the Trump entourage that if senators “vote against the president,” their “head will be on a pike.”

So the question is... will Congress fail to rein in a corrupt president and what kind of precedent will that create for us in the future?

I think conservatives need to seriously think about this because demographic trends indicate the liberals will continue to have a natural edge on democracy for years to come and a precedent that says it's OK for a ruling party to keep a president in office by dismissing all the evidence against him could well bite them in the ass if when that president and ruling party turns out to be Democrat.

If there is one thing the Right needs as they slip into minority status it's a reverence for the Constitution that protects people from abusive majorities.