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Apr 18, 2014 11:27:07   #
Tyster
 
Elwood wrote:
The IRS rules and regulations are so damned complex that both tax lawyers and CPAs have a hard time interpreting or understanding them. Talk about bureaucracy running amok. :hunf:



Actually, we don't have trouble interpreting them. The problem is that the IRS has a different perspective and interprets them differently.

One of the best arguments I had with them was over the home office deduction. According to the section applicable to this rule, the deduction is listed as being limited to the Gross Income of the business. Gross Income has a specific definition throughout the entire code - except for this one section (283(a) if I remember correctly where gross income is considered by the IRS to mean Net Income.

When they aren't consistent with their own definitions, how can the code be followed?

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Apr 18, 2014 12:59:01   #
Elwood Loc: Florida
 
Tyster wrote:
Actually, we don't have trouble interpreting them. The problem is that the IRS has a different perspective and interprets them differently.

One of the best arguments I had with them was over the home office deduction. According to the section applicable to this rule, the deduction is listed as being limited to the Gross Income of the business. Gross Income has a specific definition throughout the entire code - except for this one section (283(a) if I remember correctly where gross income is considered by the IRS to mean Net Income.

When they aren't consistent with their own definitions, how can the code be followed?
Actually, we don't have trouble interpreting them.... (show quote)


That is why they need to go. :-D

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Apr 18, 2014 14:35:31   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Elwood wrote:
The IRS rules and regulations are so damned complex that both tax lawyers and CPAs have a hard time interpreting or understanding them. Talk about bureaucracy running amok. :hunf:


...and most of it is created to take taxes back out...how 'bout just charging most people 10% (like you said).

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Apr 18, 2014 16:08:28   #
adennya Loc: Berthoud, CO
 
[quote=Tyster]Actually, we don't have trouble interpreting them. The problem is that the IRS has a different perspective and interprets them differently.

Whoops. I just thought of another group which would probably be against any kind of Fair Tax or Flat Tax... Tax Accountants. Sorry, Tyster. In your industry how many people do you think would support the Flat Tax on principle and worry about changing careers later?

I have a good friend who is a tax accountant. Dang. I haven't asked him where he stands on this issue. Come to think of it, my taxes went up unexpectedly this year when he figured them. Maybe he already knows where I stand. Hmmmm.

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Apr 18, 2014 21:43:29   #
Elwood Loc: Florida
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
...and most of it is created to take taxes back out...how 'bout just charging most people 10% (like you said).


That would work. :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 19, 2014 09:18:31   #
Tyster
 
[quote=adennya]
Tyster wrote:
Actually, we don't have trouble interpreting them. The problem is that the IRS has a different perspective and interprets them differently.

Whoops. I just thought of another group which would probably be against any kind of Fair Tax or Flat Tax... Tax Accountants. Sorry, Tyster. In your industry how many people do you think would support the Flat Tax on principle and worry about changing careers later?

I have a good friend who is a tax accountant. Dang. I haven't asked him where he stands on this issue. Come to think of it, my taxes went up unexpectedly this year when he figured them. Maybe he already knows where I stand. Hmmmm.
Actually, we don't have trouble interpreting them.... (show quote)



While I do prepare taxes, my primary income is as an executive with a public company. I have another company that provides accounting for small companies. Most of the tax work is for those businesses and owners and most are done for no fees. Could care less financially whether "experts" are needed for preparation.

I do not support the current tax structure. But I feel the government will never support an alternative that takes away their power to manipulate the economy.

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Apr 19, 2014 12:31:45   #
adennya Loc: Berthoud, CO
 
Tyster wrote:
I do not support the current tax structure. But I feel the government will never support an alternative that takes away their power to manipulate the economy.


I'm afraid you are right. The best of them, if there is such an animal, will not cede an ounce of power.

I'm hoping the Fair Tax will catch fire. Just eliminating any form of income tax would be a good start.

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Apr 19, 2014 23:00:06   #
astrolite
 
adennya wrote:
I'm afraid you are right. The best of them, if there is such an animal, will not cede an ounce of power.

I'm hoping the Fair Tax will catch fire. Just eliminating any form of income tax would be a good start.


172 or 152?

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Apr 19, 2014 23:02:06   #
rumitoid
 
Elwood wrote:
http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/lerner-emails-plotted-prosecuting-conservatives/

Fair Tax or even flat tax could eliminate a need for the IRS which would be a blessing for this country.


I am putting my libtard, demoncrat image at risk once again to agree.

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Apr 19, 2014 23:13:19   #
Elwood Loc: Florida
 
rumitoid wrote:
I am putting my libtard, demoncrat image at risk once again to agree.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :-D

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Apr 19, 2014 23:15:14   #
Artemis
 
Kirk wrote:
Of course everyone will try to keep what they can regardless of their wealth. On another post you asked me what I do for a living. As a licensed union contractor (carpenters) I can tell you I struggle to keep up with the payroll taxes, Insurances and Union benefits. It seems we pay too much. Every month by the 15th. I must pay them and it depleats our bank account. Like they say you need to be rich to be in business as it is getting harder and harder. The money comes slow and the demands are high. IRS charges us penalties, the union charges us LD's and God forbid you're late on your workmans comp, because if you loose it, your out of business. For this reason I think the more we grow the government the more the demands. I like the idea of a flat tax on everyone with no write offs but a fair tax we can afford. We also cannot not ignore the load that small businesses carry while taking risks for the many who are receiving benefits while not paying into the system.
Of course everyone will try to keep what they can ... (show quote)



Workman's comp. what a racket, but that's the good ol insurance companies again

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Apr 19, 2014 23:18:41   #
astrolite
 
maelstrom wrote:
Workman's comp. what a racket, but that's the good ol insurance companies again


Back in the 80s when we worked the oil patch the workmans comp was 100% of payroll.

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Apr 19, 2014 23:28:54   #
Artemis
 
astrolite wrote:
Back in the 80s when we worked the oil patch the workmans comp was 100% of payroll.


If it were 100% you wouldn't get paid?

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Apr 19, 2014 23:39:48   #
emarine
 
astrolite wrote:
Back in the 80s when we worked the oil patch the workmans comp was 100% of payroll.


Did they use your head as the drill? They must have held you by the ankles and twisted you till they hit oil for a 100% comp rate... I am amazed you survived this abuse, but it does explain your reply's on OPP

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Apr 19, 2014 23:42:22   #
rumitoid
 
Elwood wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :-D


You do know how much I value that disparaging and untoward blind labeling, right?

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