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Dec 1, 2019 10:59:51   #
Cuda2020
 
Rose42 wrote:
You are entitled to your illusion about Obama. His record shows he did little in politics. Ted Kennedy introduced him as an 'up and comer' but he never really did much of anything. He was chosen and the results were orchestrated. You have to be naive to think otherwise. Clinton was far more qualified yet she was mercilessly skewered by the media while they were much more gentle with Obama.

I am sharing a republic with a lot of complacent voters who erroneously think things will change by a simple vote. It will take a lot more than that to have any real change.
You are entitled to your illusion about Obama. Hi... (show quote)


And what is your point here, the right loved Trump because he had no "experience" in politics" and not a so-called politician. Under your interpretation of being qualified, why was he elected?

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Dec 1, 2019 11:05:20   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
And what is your point here, the right loved Trump because he had no "experience" in politics" and not a so-called politician. Under your interpretation of being qualified, why was he elected?


He was elected to clean the Swamp.
Something Americans waited a long time for.

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Dec 1, 2019 11:16:32   #
Cuda2020
 
straightUp wrote:
Because they buy the damned product! I understand your point but ignorance doesn't change reality.

And I do understand the resentment toward companies that fool consumers with misleading labels but keep in mind these are corporations that by their very design serve the interests of their investors first. If the consumers want corporations to be honest they need to turn to government, the only other collective with the power to equalize the corporate collective, and demand laws.

The problem here is that for the past 40 years, there has been a corporate campaign to undermine the trust we have in our government. Now it's at a point where you can't ask the government to force the corporation to disclose their sources without being attacked by fellow citizens, especially Republicans, for being anti-business. You will be called a socialist... an enemy of America.

So if it seems the corporations have all the power and control, it's because the American people failed to stand up for themselves and they continue to submit themselves willingly to the corporations that serve the investors first.

This is why America has a reputation now for being a nation of sheep. I'm not just saying that either. I worked in Europe for a while and that IS the reputation we have over there and in my opinion, it is dead on accurate.
Because they buy the damned product! I understand ... (show quote)


Ironically we have become sheep for two reasons, one, people having less money and two, trying to live "the good life" in the material world,(on less income) in the new disposable world. As this was unfolding it's my opinion, many manufacturers didn't advertise properly, it still continues even now. People have to advertise how their quality merchandise will outlast the competitors by let's just say 4X's. Give them solid reasons to invest their hard-earned money with a better American made one. In many cases it's too late, we've lost that choice in many areas.

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Dec 1, 2019 11:17:58   #
Cuda2020
 
eagleye13 wrote:
He was elected to clean the Swamp.
Something Americans waited a long time for.


That would be like asking a pig to clean it's pig pen.

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Dec 1, 2019 11:22:20   #
Cuda2020
 
byronglimish wrote:
That rich coming from the shallow end of the fact pool.


I would rather come from the shallow end of the fact pool, then living a complete mirage.

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Dec 1, 2019 11:28:02   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Rose42 wrote:
You are entitled to your illusion about Obama.

It's not an illusion Rose... It's very easy information to verify. Obama WAS a senator before becoming a president. You can deny that all you want it doesn't reality.

Rose42 wrote:

His record shows he did little in politics. Ted Kennedy introduced him as an 'up and comer' but he never really did much of anything. He was chosen and the results were orchestrated. You have to be naive to think otherwise.

Or delusional.

Yes, he was chosen, and yes ANY and ALL candidates in history have been orchestrated to some extent. This has been the standard process since political parties were introduced. I think you have to be naive to think any different. It's how

I'll pass on arguing about his record AS a senator (if that's what you are talking about) simply because I don't know the details well enough to say anything. (He was one of 100 senators from 15 years ago) I would have to research and since this wasn't even a main point of your argument it doesn't seem worth the effort. Besides, I've become accustomed with dealing with people who just hate Obama and parrot the accusations without every really verifying for themselves.

So, I'll just make this point...

As president he got Congress to reform healthcare, something the government has been trying to do for a very long time without any success. All opinions about the ACA aside, the actual process of getting it through legislation was an astounding accomplishment. And if that isn't enough, Even after Obama left office the same forces that prevented such legislation from happening before, continues to attack the law, with numerous unsuccessful attempts to repeal it, followed by executive orders to sabotage it and yet the law still stands, gaining popular support all the while. All I can say is that if someone with no political experience can accomplish that then he doesn't even need political experience.

Rose42 wrote:

Clinton was far more qualified yet she was mercilessly skewered by the media while they were much more gentle with Obama.

True, though I think that has a lot to do with the political climate. Eight years of watching a black Democrat in the Oval Office succeed really brought the resentment to a boil.

Rose42 wrote:

I am sharing a republic with a lot of complacent voters who erroneously think things will change by a simple vote. It will take a lot more than that to have any real change.

I totally agree with you on that one.

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Dec 1, 2019 12:03:18   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Ironically we have become sheep for two reasons, one, people having less money and two, trying to live "the good life" in the material world,(on less income) in the new disposable world.

So, in other words, debt? I do tend to think that's what makes us economic "prisoners" but when I refer to us being sheep I am also referring to the way we surrender our will to determination our own fate through democracy.

Barracuda2020 wrote:

As this was unfolding it's my opinion, many manufacturers didn't advertise properly, it still continues even now. People have to advertise how their quality merchandise will outlast the competitors by let's just say 4X's. Give them solid reasons to invest their hard-earned money with a better American made one. In many cases it's too late, we've lost that choice in many areas.

Advertising yes, but only if the American-made product really is better quality, which means we have to start with that. Many Americans just make the assumption that if it's made in America, it's better, but that really isn't always the case and it's becoming less the case with every passing year. Also, tying into your first point about people trying to live beyond their means... cheap knockoffs CAN become viable options. Not everyone can afford quality anymore and that brings the advantage back to China manufacturing because their labor costs are so low.

I'm not suggesting I have an answer... This is a very difficult predicament that I think is based primarily on the fact that American workers are more expensive than Chinese workers. How do we fix this without sacrificing the workers rights and wages that MAKE American workers more expensive?

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Dec 1, 2019 12:05:37   #
CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Obama a Constitutional Law Professor?

What difference does it make since Obama didn't respect the constitution?
A "fundamental change" is what he was after.

structure for faculty.
Who ever I replied too, said Obama was a constitutional law professor and thus he followed the constitution. We know that is not true. Plus, before he was anybody, he was continually referred to as a lecturer- not a professor. Big difference in Univ of Chicago.

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Dec 1, 2019 12:14:57   #
CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country
 
straightUp wrote:
Advertising yes, but only if the American-made product really is better quality, which means we have to start with that. Many Americans just make the assumption that if it's made in America, it's better, but that really isn't always the case and it's becoming less the case with every passing year. Also, tying into your first point about people trying to live beyond their means... cheap knockoffs CAN become viable options. Not everyone can afford quality anymore and that brings the advantage back to China manufacturing because their labor costs are so low.

I'm not suggesting I have an answer... This is a very difficult predicament that I think is based primarily on the fact that American workers are more expensive than Chinese workers. How do we fix this without sacrificing the workers rights and wages that MAKE American workers more expensive?
Advertising yes, but only if the American-made pro... (show quote)


Productivity is the answer. Usually defined by country's GDP divided by the number of workers. China is the worlds worst productivity. Typically found in socialist or communists countries. Hong Kong knows this and will fight it, if China does not open up to more freedom for it's people.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-05-11/china-has-the-world-s-biggest-productivity-problem

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Dec 1, 2019 12:26:55   #
Mikeyavelli
 
CodyCoonhound wrote:
Trump keeps talking about server and Ukraine and Crowd Strike. In the past, when Trump mentions something, that has always turned out to be true.

Also Assange charges have been dropped in Sweden. And the hacker residing in New Zealand who claims to have proof that Seth downloaded the server and gave to Assange has received some attention from Barr.

DOJ investigators have been to UK to meet Assange and then went onto New Zealand for some investigation.

Plus, all of Obama's cronies have made many trips to New Zealand. It is said that some are hiding out in that country.

Great novel or the truth, we will soon find out.
Trump keeps talking about server and Ukraine and C... (show quote)


Truth. Biden is a red herring. The kommiecrats are terrified of the Crowd Strike server. They know what's in it.
Two retired agents, one DEA and the other possibly CIA were commissioned by Hillary to shoot Seth Rich for sending the thumbnail to Wikileaks.

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Dec 1, 2019 12:29:25   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
CodyCoonhound wrote:
structure for faculty.
Who ever I replied too, said Obama was a constitutional law professor and thus he followed the constitution. We know that is not true. Plus, before he was anybody, he was continually referred to as a lecturer- not a professor. Big difference in Univ of Chicago.


BTW!!!!
A great majority of Professors/Lecturers throughout out Liberal Arts colleges are Left wing Liberals. To get credentialed, they have to cow tow to the liberal establishment graders.

I had one English Lit class in college (was in an Engineering major). I did a research term paper on Dos Pasos, The liberal teacher did not like my commentary where dos Pasos was coming from, and gave me a C-.
I reviewed her false comments, and she agreed. She changed my grade from a C- to a C+.


BTW; Dos Pasos went from a fair haired Liberal in his early days, to a conservative. He was then black balled.

John Dos Passos, in full John Roderigo Dos Passos, (born Jan. 14, 1896, Chicago, Ill., U.S.—died Sept. 28, 1970, Baltimore, Md.), American writer, one of the major novelists of the post-World War I “lost generation,” whose reputation as a social historian and as a radical critic of the quality of American life rests primarily on his trilogy U.S.A.

John Dos Passos.
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Courtesy of the National Archives, Washington, D.C.
The son of a wealthy lawyer of Portuguese descent, Dos Passos graduated from Harvard University (1916) and volunteered as an ambulance driver in World War I. His early works were basically portraits of the artist recoiling from the shock of his encounter with a brutal world. Among these was the bitter antiwar novel Three Soldiers (1921).

Extensive travel in Spain and other countries while working as a newspaper correspondent in the postwar years enlarged his sense of history, sharpened his social perception, and confirmed his radical sympathies. Gradually, his early subjectivism was subordinated to a larger and tougher objective realism. His novel Manhattan Transfer (1925) is a rapid-transit rider’s view of the metropolis. The narrative shuttles back and forth between the lives of more than a dozen characters in nervous, jerky, impressionistic flashes.

The execution of the Anarchists Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti in 1927 profoundly affected Dos Passos, who had participated in the losing battle to win their pardon. The crisis crystallized his image of the United States as “two nations”—one of the rich and privileged and one of the poor and powerless. U.S.A. is the portrait of these two nations. It consists of The 42nd Parallel (1930), covering the period from 1900 up to the war; 1919 (1932), dealing with the war and the critical year of the Treaty of Versailles; and The Big Money (1936), which races headlong through the boom of the ’20s to the bust of the ’30s. Dos Passos reinforces the histories of his fictional characters with a sense of real history conveyed by the interpolated devices of “newsreels,” artfully selected montages of actual newspaper headlines and popular songs of the day. He also interpolates biographies of such representative members of the establishment as the automobile maker Henry Ford, the inventor Thomas Edison, President Woodrow Wilson, and the financier J.P. Morgan. He further presents members of that “other nation” such as the Socialist Eugene V. Debs, the economist Thorstein Veblen, the labour organizer Joe Hill, and the Unknown Soldier of World War I. Yet another dimension is provided by his “camera-eye” technique: brief, poetic, personal reminiscences.

U.S.A. was followed by a less ambitious trilogy, District of Columbia (Adventures of a Young Man, 1939; Number One, 1943; The Grand Design, 1949), which chronicles Dos Passos’ further disillusion with the labour movement, radical politics, and New Deal liberalism. The decline of his creative energy and the increasing political conservatism evident in these works became even more pronounced in subsequent works. At his death at 74, his books scarcely received critical attention....

FYI!
John Dos Pasos was blackballed by the Liberal establishment running our education system.

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Dec 1, 2019 12:30:05   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I would rather come from the shallow end of the fact pool, then living a complete mirage.


Well Cud, ya got both covered.

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Dec 1, 2019 12:30:52   #
CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I agree...

Polarization has not served anyone well...

Except for certain special interest groups....


For polarization, in any form to occur, there has to be a positive and negative. Like democrats and Republicans. Everyone that is a democrat is using polarization as a bad thing. They resist to create two positives or two negatives which will repel each other.

The difference now is the republicans have charged their batteries and have active + and - charges.

Thus polarization is occurring as the two parties compete. Dem's want power and GOP wants the American people to have their freedom back. Impeachment is the dem's ultimate weapon because everything else in their bag has failed to keep the power.

We will see what wins in the end..... Power or Freedom!

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Dec 1, 2019 12:36:30   #
CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country
 
straightUp wrote:
Yeah I dunno... your statements seem to be swimming in a discombobulated soup of delusion and fury. I'm just going to step away now. Have a nice day Cody.


Why your great Huawei phone steals your freedom.

Huawei is China's NSA on anything American. I hope you have no insight that you share on your China phone that gives an edge to China to disrupt America.

https://freepressers.com/articles/fcc-ban-targets-huawei-equipment-near-montana-nuclear-missile-base?utm_source=&utm_medium=deployer&utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_term=&utm_content=20191201171617

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Dec 1, 2019 13:23:23   #
Djin
 
trump only lies.He can't tell any truth.He probably gave billions to China.

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