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Poll: Majority of Republicans Say Trump Better President than Lincoln
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Dec 1, 2019 06:43:59   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
PeterS wrote:
Republicans are conservatives and the south was made up of conservatives during the civil war so it only follows Republicans would think Trump a better president than Lincoln. To you cons, Jefferson Davis was the best president of the Civil War!




Dude!!!!!!! The south was populated by democrats. Democrats gave rise to the KKK. Not a single republican owned a slave during the War Between the States...not one. And you think the south was populated by republicans???

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Dec 1, 2019 09:50:57   #
dongreen76
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
He has done a fantastic job, and anyone who is objective knows what the story is. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/472460-poll-majority-of-republicans-say-trump-better-president-than-lincoln


I surmised that- in that particular post a dyed in the wool journalistic trick was probably used.The trick of writing or taking things out of context to arrive at desired results and facts consistent with their Ideologies.They probably neglected to inform the viewers and readers that the participants that were interviewed also thought Jefferson Davis was the greatest president the `UNION`(United States of America) ever had.

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Dec 1, 2019 10:02:36   #
factnotfiction
 
maximus wrote:
Dude!!!!!!! The south was populated by democrats. Democrats gave rise to the KKK. Not a single republican owned a slave during the War Between the States...not one. And you think the south was populated by republicans???




Why don't you read a history book or two, and learn something before running your yap and proving total and complete ignorance.

The southern democrats were the CONSERVATIVES, who were the slave owners and who founded your KKK
The republicans of the time were formerly known as the Whigs, and were the liberals and moderated of the day.
Even one as ignorant as you, being the moronic trump supporter that you are, has to know that.

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Dec 1, 2019 10:03:01   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
Gatsby wrote:
What you now claim that you were "getting at", was not what you said.


my text was perhaps the one who replaced him and meet the same fate Johnson replaced Lincoln and was the first POTUS to get Impeached so Gatsby read carefully next time lol

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Dec 1, 2019 10:33:52   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Why don't you read a history book or two, and learn something before running your yap and proving total and complete ignorance.

The southern democrats were the CONSERVATIVES, who were the slave owners and who founded your KKK
The republicans of the time were formerly known as the Whigs, and were the liberals and moderated of the day.
Even one as ignorant as you, being the moronic trump supporter that you are, gas to know that.


I do have to apologize. I erroneously believed that you were Bad bob.

But since some sense has come to my attention, that you are the renamed Raylan.

Your contemptible spirit does show in your slobbery rants and loser name calling.

You seem to show yourself as very mean and insecure, no matter your keyboard warrior delusions.

Rush immediately to the mental facility, they'll be waiting.

Good luck.

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Dec 1, 2019 12:36:04   #
factnotfiction
 
byronglimish wrote:
I do have to apologize. I erroneously believed that you were Bad bob.

But since some sense has come to my attention, that you are the renamed Raylan.

Your contemptible spirit does show in your slobbery rants and loser name calling.

You seem to show yourself as very mean and insecure, no matter your keyboard warrior delusions.

Rush immediately to the mental facility, they'll be waiting.

Good luck.





For you and the other mental midgets who are so curious

I am not your BadBob, or your Raylan

I do not care what you think, but what difference does it make?

You do not like what I post, stay off of my threads, since I will bash trump, conservatives, and republicans, along with the idiotic comments or rightwingnut pundits and commentators like hannutty and fat limblah

So either accept it or go away, makes no difference to me

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Dec 1, 2019 12:49:33   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
factnotfiction wrote:
For you and the other mental midgets who are so curious

I am not your BadBob, or your Raylan

I do not care what you think, but what difference does it make?

You do not like what I post, stay off of my threads, since I will bash trump, conservatives, and republicans, along with the idiotic comments or rightwingnut pundits and commentators like hannutty and fat limblah

So either accept it or go away, makes no difference to me




In the big picture your keyboard doesn't amount to cold urine.

Because "We the People gonna do it again"..!!

"Reelect the 45th President of the United States.

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"All other contenders are only pretenders"

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Dec 1, 2019 12:57:46   #
son of witless
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
He has done a fantastic job, and anyone who is objective knows what the story is. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/472460-poll-majority-of-republicans-say-trump-better-president-than-lincoln


The majority of the sample poll said Trump was a better President than Lincoln. A majority of Republicans did not say that. Don't ever let facts get in the way of a good story.

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Dec 1, 2019 16:08:26   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
He has done a fantastic job, and anyone who is objective knows what the story is. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/472460-poll-majority-of-republicans-say-trump-better-president-than-lincoln


Given the time and what he has to deal with I agree. Lincoln is credited with a lot he didn't do. For example; near the end of the war but not quite it the union needed more bodies on the line. Most white men were worn out, so Lincoln though 'black men.' That was why he freed the slaves. Kind of a footnote, it was never really his intent. The civil war was a question of state's sovereignty or government sovereignty, I still think it should have been state's but I'm not in a position to do much about it.

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Dec 1, 2019 17:02:53   #
Carol Kelly
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
He has done a fantastic job, and anyone who is objective knows what the story is. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/472460-poll-majority-of-republicans-say-trump-better-president-than-lincoln


Count me in. He’s a hundred times better than Lincoln. Lincoln took this country apart and we’ve never been able to put this HumptyDumpty back together again.

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Dec 1, 2019 17:07:57   #
Carol Kelly
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Given the time and what he has to deal with I agree. Lincoln is credited with a lot he didn't do. For example; near the end of the war but not quite it the union needed more bodies on the line. Most white men were worn out, so Lincoln though 'black men.' That was why he freed the slaves. Kind of a footnote, it was never really his intent. The civil war was a question of state's sovereignty or government sovereignty, I still think it should have been state's but I'm not in a position to do much about it.
Given the time and what he has to deal with I agre... (show quote)


Go to the Civil War Cemetery in Vicksburg, Mississippi. It’s an eye opener. The only Southerners planted there are a battalion of Negroes from Louisiana. All the rest are Yankees. You are right. It was a war for state’s rights or state’s sovereignty. BUT it was bloody and wrong. Too many fought for the North and didn’t know any of the politics behind it.

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Dec 1, 2019 18:09:25   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Go to the Civil War Cemetery in Vicksburg, Mississippi. It’s an eye opener. The only Southerners planted there are a battalion of Negroes from Louisiana. All the rest are Yankees. You are right. It was a war for state’s rights or state’s sovereignty. BUT it was bloody and wrong. Too many fought for the North and didn’t know any of the politics behind it.


Actually, I think Lincoln was flying by the seat of his pants on that one. He saw the threat it was much like today. Only in this case the south wasn't just sitting back, their very livelihoods were at stake.

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Dec 1, 2019 18:44:15   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Actually, Lincoln was not such a great president. By the time he was assassinated, the "medicine", which was mercury, he used daily for treatment of his depression, was destroying his brain.

Lincoln will probably be forever known as the "Great Emancipator" because of the Emancipation Proclamation that did not free all slaves."That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

"The principle [of the Proclamation] is not that a human being cannot justly own another," the London Spectator observed on October 11, 1862, "but that he cannot own him unless he is loyal to the northern states" government. As Lincoln stated in a famous, August 22, 1862 letter to New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley, "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

Lincoln may have "saved" the Union in a geographic sense, but his war destroyed the union defined as a voluntary association of states. Forcing a state to remain in the union at gunpoint renders that state a conquered province, not a genuine partner. We have not yet recovered from his war.

So, is President Trump "better" than Lincoln....you bet your sweet bippy! Democrats want rid of President Trump for holding up your money, confiscated by our government under the pretense of enriching American lives, to be given away to foreign governments. How would those same Democrats respond to Lincoln's actions? During the war Lincoln established a number of tyrannical precedents, including unconstitutionally conducting a war without the consent of Congress; suspending habeas corpus; conscripting railroads and censoring telegraph lines; imprisoning without trial some 30,000 northern citizens for merely voicing opposition to the war; deporting a member of Congress, Clement L. Vallandigham of Ohio, for opposing Lincoln’s income tax proposal; shutting down hundreds of Northern newspapers and imprisoning their editors for questioning his war policies; ordering federal troops to intimidate voters; and intentionally waging war against civilians.
Actually, Lincoln was not such a great president. ... (show quote)


I loved Lincoln as a young man but as I learned about the things in your last paragraph he lost a lot of my previous admiration. I can only offer one excuse for him. In the beginning, the North was losing big time. He had to do something and getting rid of Gen. McClellan(?) was his first good move. I think even if the South had won we would have reconciled later, Southerners are just more gracious than the Northerners and everyone likes to make money as capitalist and the North had the factories and industrial base. Glad slavery was abolished. There isn't much difference between slavery and an indentured servant, but what difference there is, is really huge.

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Dec 1, 2019 20:25:38   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Peewee wrote:
I loved Lincoln as a young man but as I learned about the things in your last paragraph he lost a lot of my previous admiration. I can only offer one excuse for him. In the beginning, the North was losing big time. He had to do something and getting rid of Gen. McClellan(?) was his first good move. I think even if the South had won we would have reconciled later, Southerners are just more gracious than the Northerners and everyone likes to make money as capitalist and the North had the factories and industrial base. Glad slavery was abolished. There isn't much difference between slavery and an indentured servant, but what difference there is, is really huge.
I loved Lincoln as a young man but as I learned ab... (show quote)


My dear friend, it is a fact, he was just a man who strongly believe he was doing the best he could to hold the Union together. There are times we do all the wrong things with the best of intentions. It is also worthwhile to mention, James Buchanan actually set the nation up for civil war. There was little anyone could have done to avoid it. As for slavery, even without intervention it would have ended, minus the devastating affects on the blacks. Keep in mind, import had already been outlawed. Plus many nations south of us had already freed their slaves, I am certain we would have studied what was done right and incorporated them within our plans, making the transition without the animosity. People always respond better to change if they believe it is their personal decision. The Emancipation document is an interesting read, paying close attention to the regions and states that were made exempt....https://www.historynet.com/emancipation-proclamation-text
and if you know where the majority of slave location....

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Dec 1, 2019 20:28:04   #
woodguru
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
He has done a fantastic job, and anyone who is objective knows what the story is. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/472460-poll-majority-of-republicans-say-trump-better-president-than-lincoln

Too bad nobody knows jack about lincoln, so what

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