Beware of Intellectuals! (Page 8): You are correct, my bad.

Cuda2020

Iliamna1 wrote:

That's because logic and reason is there first go to.

I think you meant 'their.' Otherwise that sentence makes little sense.

You are correct, my bad.

Rose42

straightUp wrote:

This is a description of a stereotype. Do all inte... (show quote)

Everyone is capable of intelligence but no matter how intelligent one is wisdom is not an automatic corollary. Far from it.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

Barracuda2020 wrote:

I believe this explains the Trump die-hard followe... (show quote)

Who brainwashed you? What ruined education is teacher unions and politics. People educated in the 40s and 50s sent men to the moon, most didn't go to private schools. Even today's elite schools are much dumber and corrupt than they used to be. Any group can get together and start a private school, hire their own teachers, and write their own rules. Homeschooling is the hardest but a lot of aids and teaching material have been produced to help parents and students. They score better than most public and private school students on SAT exams, orals, and entrance exams. Can you guess what kind of people want to outlaw homeschooling? Who wants to close charter schools? The left, no surprise at all.

Cuda2020

Peewee wrote:

Who brainwashed you? What ruined education is teac... (show quote)

Just curious, do you think the men who went to the moon got a higher education? Most today kids are not going to private schools either.

I think that's pure BS, so prove it, put your money where your mouth is. Education has been declining even before the 40's and 50's, don't believe me read novels from the 1800s to the 1850s and you'll see what I mean. Homeschooling is very iffy, can go either way.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

On the contrary, Barracuda2020,

The word translated "fear" in many versions of the Bible comes from the Hebrew word yirah (יִרְאָה), which has a range of meaning in the Scriptures.

In this verse it does not refer to the fear we feel in anticipation of danger or pain, rather it means "reverential awe" of God.

"The fear (reverence, awe) of the LORD is for life, and whoever has it rests satisfied, untouched by evil" (Proverbs 19:23)

https://hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Parashah/Summaries/Eikev/Yirah/yirah.html

Barracuda2020 wrote:

I don't fear God, that doesn't make sense, more proof of a man-made doctrine. What a dismal outlook you have, sad, is that what your religion has done for you?

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Zemirah wrote:

On the contrary, Barracuda2020, br br The word t... (show quote)

debeda

straightUp wrote:

LOL - I know, right?

I also believe everyone has the capacity to be an intellectual. It honestly has less to do with raw intelligence than the ability to memorize and recite taught data and quotes. A true measure of actual intelligence is the ability to comprehend and assess data to extrapolate more comprehensive knowledge.

debeda

Barracuda2020 wrote:

I believe this explains the Trump die-hard followe... (show quote)

You're so right. I think supporting infanticide, LGBTQ "history" for public education, and "transition therapy" for 6, 7, 8 year old children, "free" health care, college, housing, monthly income, and open borders so this country is a magnet for the needy, entitled and scofflaws, among so many other wondrous things is brilliant. And it is a perfect illustration of the results of considering yourself or your group as intellectuals but having low intelligence.

debeda

Rose42 wrote:

Everyone is capable of intelligence but no matter how intelligent one is wisdom is not an automatic corollary. Far from it.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Blade_Runner wrote:

Paul Johnson is considered one of the greatest historians of the 20th century. He is one of the most prolific British writers of the last half-century and a superb chronicler of the past.

His book, Intellectuals: From Marx and Tolstoy to Sartre and Chomsky is a remarkable indictment of despots and tyrants.

Here is the final paragraph of the book:

What conclusions should be drawn? Readers will judge for themselves. But I think I detect today a certain public scepticism when intellectuals stand up to preach to us, a growing tendency among ordinary people to dispute the right of academics, writers and philosophers, eminent though they may be, to tell us how to behave and conduct our affairs. The belief seems to be spreading that intellectuals are no wiser as mentors, or worthier as exemplars, than the witch doctors or priests of old. I share that scepticism. A dozen people picked at random on the street are at least as likely to offer sensible views on moral and political matters as a cross-section of the intelligentsia. But I would go further. One of the principal lessons of our tragic century, which has seen so many millions of innocent lives sacrificed in schemes to improve the lot of humanity, is beware intellectuals. Not merely should they be kept well away from the levers of power, they should also be objects of particular suspicion when they seek to offer collective advice. Beware committees, conferences and leagues of intellectuals. Distrust public statements issued from their serried ranks. Discount their verdicts on political leaders and important events. For intellectuals, far from being highly individualistic and non-conformist people, follow certain regular patterns of behaviour. Taken as a group, they are often ultra-conformist within the circles formed by those whose approval they seek and value. That is what makes them, en masse, so dangerous, for it enables them to create climates of opinion and prevailing orthodoxies, which themselves often generate irrational and destructive courses of action. Above all, we must at all times remember what intellectuals habitually forget: that people matter more than concepts and must come first. The worst of all despotisms is the heartless tyranny of ideas.

Paul Johnson is considered one of the greatest his... (show quote)

Hmmmmmmm

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

This is the 2nd time I've posted this information on this thread:

https://hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Parashah/Summaries/Eikev/Yirah/yirah.html

"The fear (reverential awe) of the LORD is for life, and whoever has it rests satisfied, untouched by evil" (Prov. 19:23)

The word translated "fear" in many versions of the Bible comes from the Hebrew word yirah (יִרְאָה), which has a range of meaning in the Scriptures,. although it sometimes refers to the fear we feel in anticipation of danger or pain, in this instance it means "awe" or "reverence," i.e., reverential awe of the Lord.

kemmer wrote:

No healthy relationship is based on fear. Proverbs is wrong.

straightUp Loc: California

Barracuda2020 wrote:

I believe this explains the Trump die-hard followe... (show quote)

No, we haven't and that is in large part due to the same motives that also encourage that negative view on education that you mentioned.

I'll probably get some flak for saying this but the United States has always been an enterprise first, a nation second. I suspect our colonial roots has a lot to do with this. The colonies were privately owned by corporations chartered by the king and they were populated by people who functioned as working components in the colonial enterprise. The revolution only succeeded in a change of management. The corporate function of the population remains true to this very day.

This is a fundamental contrast with countries like France where the people existed BEFORE there was an actual reason for them. I think this is why countries like France put people first and in America we put business first.

Understanding this makes it easy to see why education is such a low priority here. The business that brought my family to America was in the aerospace industry, which in the early 60's was drawing most of it's talent from Europe, my father included. Here's the logic that justifies this...

If a company is forced to pay taxes to fund domestic education programs, they might get a 20% return in the form of successful graduates worthy of hiring. But they could get a 100% return if they save their money for selecting workers that have already graduated with engineering degrees from programs funded by other countries.

I would be less inclined to believe this is I only had that single example to go by, but now that I am also an engineer, I am noticing that most of my co-workers were educated outside the U.S. and this has been the pattern for the last 20 years.

I also read recently that immigrants are the most educated demographic in the U.S. Of course many people in rural America will automatically think of migrant farm workers and think the statement is absurd, but the fact is most immigrants coming to this country are highly educated and they are going to the cities where the white-collar work is with legal visas.

So the pattern seems to remain the same. If we were a country that puts people first, there would be a higher priority on educating our children. But if we are a country that puts business first, that 100% return on investment for the business will take a higher priority than educating our children.

The same pattern applies to healthcare. Most Europeans get healthcare because they are people, but in America you have to be employed.

Enterprise first, nation second. Not a very "patriotic" slogan but it explains a lot.

Iliamna1

Zemirah wrote:

On the contrary, Barracuda2020, br br The word t... (show quote)

Thanks for that post. I'm fairly good with the Koine Greek, but Hebrew? Its Greek to me.

straightUp Loc: California

Rose42 wrote:

Everyone is capable of intelligence but no matter how intelligent one is wisdom is not an automatic corollary. Far from it.

I agree and I certainly wasn't suggesting that wisdom is an automatic corollary to intellect. But I am suggesting that intellect is a more certain path to wisdom than just following leaders that you hope are honest.

debeda

straightUp wrote:

No, we haven't and that is in large part due to the same motives that also encourage that negative view on education that you mentioned.

I'll probably get some flak for saying this but the United States has always been an enterprise first, a nation second. I suspect our colonial roots has a lot to do with this. The colonies were privately owned by corporations chartered by the king and they were populated by people who functioned as working components in the colonial enterprise. The revolution only succeeded in a change of management. The corporate function of the population remains true to this very day.

This is a fundamental contrast with countries like France where the people existed BEFORE there was an actual reason for them. I think this is why countries like France put people first and in America we put business first.

Understanding this makes it easy to see why education is such a low priority here. The business that brought my family to America was in the aerospace industry, which in the early 60's was drawing most of it's talent from Europe, my father included. Here's the logic that justifies this...

If a company is forced to pay taxes to fund domestic education programs, they might get a 20% return in the form of successful graduates worthy of hiring. But they could get a 100% return if they save their money for selecting workers that have already graduated with engineering degrees from programs funded by other countries.

I would be less inclined to believe this is I only had that single example to go by, but now that I am also an engineer, I am noticing that most of my co-workers were educated outside the U.S. and this has been the pattern for the last 20 years.

I also read recently that immigrants are the most educated demographic in the U.S. Of course many people in rural America will automatically think of migrant farm workers and think the statement is absurd, but the fact is most immigrants coming to this country are highly educated and they are going to the cities where the white-collar work is with legal visas.

So the pattern seems to remain the same. If we were a country that puts people first, there would be a higher priority on educating our children. But if we are a country that puts business first, that 100% return on investment for the business will take a higher priority than educating our children.

The same pattern applies to healthcare. Most Europeans get healthcare because they are people, but in America you have to be employed.

Enterprise first, nation second. Not a very "patriotic" slogan but it explains a lot.

No, we haven't and that is in large part due to th... (show quote)

Interesting take. And true in some ways.