Seth wrote:
First, on the pollution clean-up, you know what I meant.
Yes, I did. Even so, I'll point out that most countries can't clean up as much pollution as we do because they make as pollution as we do. *shrug*
Seth wrote:
As for your socialism reference, law enforcement, etc are not socialism, they are covered by taxes we are forced to pay as a matter of course -- government, whether local or federal, has a duty to at least half-assed protect the public.
...and that my friend *IS* socialism. Governments don't have ANY obligation at all. You're just so accustomed to the American socialism that takes care of it's people that you take it for granted. Even worse, we live at a time when capitalists are trying to privatize our socialist systems by flooding the lobbies and the media with anti-socialist rhetoric to the point where we don't even feel comfortable talking about it. And it's not just funding either, the public interest extends to decision making. Sherrifs for instance are elected by the people. For all practical purposes these departments are operated by the public and are therefore socialist in nature.
Fire departments used to be privately operated. If you paid a membership fee, they would come out and save your house from fire but if your neighbor wasn't a member, they would just watch his house burn down. That's how capitalism covers first response situations. Nothing wrong with capitalism per se but like a hammer, it's not ALWAYS the best tool for the job.
BTW, I noticed you didn't provide any indication of what you think socialism is. If you're going to say that something is NOT socialism, it's generally a good opportunity to say what you think socialism is.
Seth wrote:
That's just their constituents getting some sort of value for property and income taxes. In red states, they are doing a much better job of this than in blue ones, wherein are found cities like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Los Angeles and others where the politicians are as dangerous to the populace as muggers and gang bangers, as parasitical to the taxpayers as pickpockets.
Not necessarily their fault, it just goes, along with lying, projecting and undermining the rule of law, with being a leftist.
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yeah... I'm just going to skip the stuff where you're just spewing baseless opinions.
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And no, it's not the Republicans who don't want to work with the Democrats', it's the other way around. In fact, when the Dems snagged the majorities in both the House and Senate in 2006, Pelosi famously declared, "We have the majority now, we don't have to listen to you anymore!" Look it up, Google is your friend (especially if you're a leftie).
First of all, Pelosi was right... When you have a majority you technically don't have to listen, but I'm guessing her quote is taken out of context. I can easily see someone saying something like that as a dig, which wouldn't necessarily be a threat.
Secondly, I'm not referring to 2006. That was 13 years ago and despite what Pelosi said (or how you took it) bipartisanship was still working. I'm referring to the 112th Congress when the Children of the Corn took over the House and stoutly refused to cooperate with the president or the Senate as a matter of protest... to the point of shutting down the government. THAT was when bipartisanship stopped.
There's a big difference between the one tough-in-cheek quote that you're trying to make a mountain out of and a stated goal of noncooperation.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell actually stated this in the National Journal: βThe single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.β
(didn't work - ha, ha!) The defiance in that Congress was unprecedented and it's been partisan ever since.
Seth wrote:
RINOs are not "old guard" conservatives, they are essentially left leaning politicians who misrepresent their politics by running as and "serving" as Republicans while supporting Democrat agendas. Typically, they vote with the Democrats on issues where their votes are needed by Republicans.
Nah, they're "old guard" conservatives. I'm familiar with the conservatives politics of the Reagan era. My dad was a Republican and so was I for 6 months. Reagan was my first vote. I saw those same values in Republicans like McCain. The new Republicans called him a RINO because he didn't shift right like they did.
I'm sure to you it looks like everyone else shifted left, but that's because of a little thing called relativity.
Seth wrote:
The left shows little respect for the freedom of speech of anyone who disagrees with them.
Another baseless charge... You're just full of them aren't you?
Seth wrote:
You don't see conservative groups shouting down "liberal" guest speakers at universities, for example, rioting or starting fires, with the blessings of left wing faculties.
...and MORE baseless charges.
Show me one single example of where a "left wing facility" (I assume you mean university) gave it's blessing to riots and fires. Seriously, the crap you people believe just blows my mind. I bet you actually think the Clintons are running a child prostitution ring in a pizza parlor. LOL
As for your prior comment... liberal speakers haven't been in the habit of preaching hate and invoking violence so there hasn't been a cause for a university to shut down a liberal speaker and the school will defend the first amendment rights of ANY speaker that doesn't pose a safety risk to the students, provided the school is run by liberals. If the school is run by conservatives you won't see any liberal speakers being shut down for a different reason... They just don't allow them in the first place.
Seth wrote:
You don't see conservatives actively boycotting businesses because they are owned by Democrats,
You don't see liberals boycotting businesses simply because they are owned by Republicans either.
Seth wrote:
Republicans kicking Democrats out of restaurants,
A reference to a business owner refusing to serve someone who made a career out of lying to the American people.
Seth wrote:
harrassing them in the streets or in their homes because if their politics
Actually, I have first hand, when my neighbor had a Prop 8 sign on his lawn (CA Prop 8 - an equality bill), It was stolen, so he replaced it and it was stolen again. Finally he caught three grown men getting out of their truck to steal his sign and he confronted them - in his own lawn. I heard the fuss and came out. By the time I got there four adults were screaming at each other. It was very easy to tell from the words they were liberal-haters. I told my wife to get my gun and she called the cops instead LOL.
Seth wrote:
or marauding around in masks, beating up old folks in the name of "anti-fascism."
That's another distortion. Yes, they've beat up some Nazis at their rallies, I guess in your narrative that translates to innocent old people. But they don't run people over in cars and kill them.
Yeah... did you forget that one?
Seth wrote:
I do not judge others, they judge themselves by the dogmas they follow and their respective versions of "the truth" as they relate them. π
You don't judge others? You should go back and read what you've posted. LOL