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Arizona Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Free Speech and Religious Freedom - LOL
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Sep 18, 2019 21:49:17   #
Rose42
 
straightUp wrote:
If your insulted that's on you. I am critical of specific social patterns into which some people here on OPP fit but I don't make undue assumptions about any of them. Yes, they are often offended and no, I don't care.


Uh-huh. Sure.

You can’t offend me. I was simply pointing out your hypocrisy.

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Sep 19, 2019 19:57:24   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Rose42 wrote:
Uh-huh. Sure.
You can’t offend me.



Rose42 wrote:

I was simply pointing out your hypocrisy.

What hypocrisy?

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Sep 19, 2019 21:08:14   #
Cuda2020
 
straightUp wrote:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/arizona-supreme-court-upholds-free-speech-religious-freedom/

A recent court decision in Arizona is being celebrated as a lofty victory for freedom. You would think a national holiday is in order. Of course I agree completely with the opinion that a business should NOT be forced to provide services that conflict with their religious beliefs but what I find more compelling about this story in particular is how it exhibits the absurdity of the right-wing culture war. In this case, the fact that the victory is against an enemy that doesn't even exist.

I read about this in the National Review, probably the most famous source of right-wing propaganda. The article emphasizes the righteous victory of the ruling that the two artists and owners of a business "Brush & Nib Studios" should not be forced to provide services that conflict with their believes, such as designing wedding invitations for same-sex weddings. You can almost hear the celebratory fireworks as you read the article. But I also noticed a complete omission of any detail about the case itself other than the odd reference to the business owners as plaintiffs, not defendants.

As far as we know, the business owners were not forced the provide any such service to anyone and from a constitutional standpoint, no such offense is legally permissible anyway. It appears that this is a case where a business and/or it's legal representation was attacking a city ordinance that prohibits public accommodations from discriminating against people of protected status -- which includes sexual orientation.

Well, designing wedding invitations is NOT a public accommodation. This is what so many people fail to realize. Constitutional law only applies to government, hence the term "public accommodation". So even if a same-sex couple WAS to demand service from "Brush & Nib Studios", which apparently never happened, preexisting laws against discrimination wouldn't apply and and it would be a simple open and shut case. The fact is private business has every right to refuse service and they always have.

But that isn't what this is really about. This is about the process of gathering legal precedence to help support the future defenders of discriminatory behavior. In this case, the Alliance for Freedom, representing the plaintiff, created such a precedence literally out of thin air. They saw an anti-discriminatory law that no one was accused of breaking and a couple of up-tight Christian business owners that were not being forced to do anything they didn't want to do, implied a non-existent conflict and made a case out of it.

Fascinating what these little weasels do.
url https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/arizona... (show quote)


Getting back ton the topic, I have no doubt this was presented for the sheer purpose to incite people once again.

But be that as it may, my question is to people's religion and personal property. Since when do people tether their religious belief to what they are selling to the public? I mean where does that end, and to what end? Can a private retailer be allowed to be biased?

I thought these constitutional rights to not be biased against were part of it. That way if a person was stranded and needed gas they could not be turned away for any reason based on race, religion or gender

Since when does a cake, and invitation, or whatever else stay connected to the vendor and their religious, or any other belief be carried along with the property. When you sell something, your possession of it has ended along with your philosophies. It's sold, no strings attached. Can you imagine if every time we sold something we inquired... Well, whata ya gone do with that thing once you get it home?

I mean, what are people thinking? Where does the lunacy end?

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