kemmer

Hahaha... And the JWs say there were no carnivores on Earth till after Noah’s alleged flood. The 10 inch fangs on t-rexes were used to munch violets and daffodils.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

You know, you NEVER add ANYTHING worthwhile to anything you reply to. And your original posts have gotten old and are quite boring at best.

Iliamna1

I can easily envision Barney (remember, the purple t-rex who sang "I love you"?) munching on daisies and roses.

kemmer

This is a trumpish site; sorry everyone isn’t congratulating you on your “wit”.

Silent Hammer

So you disagree with the theory of "natural selection"?

moldyoldy

Everything is evolving, but we have been helped along. There are stone structures built to specifications that we can not reproduce today. Look up Gobekli Tepe temple, from 10,000 BC. Hard to explain.

Silent Hammer

For your viewing pleasure, look up "The Star of Bethlehem", a reconciliation of the scripture account of Jesus with modern astronomical history.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Read and research Genesis 6 for a little insight. Oh, I forgot, the Bible is BS and I'm stupid for believing it. Look in the mirror moldy.

susanblange Loc: USA

There was no star of Bethlehem. If the magi came from the east and followed the star, the star would've been in the west, not the east. A star does not stand over a particular geographic place on the earth. So the star did not stand over Jesus. The three men were supposed to be wise, but not kings. They were friendly, logical, and silent. Christians have combined three different and separate messianic prophecies. The three wise men, the star in the east with the kings visiting, and the kings bearing gifts. The star in the east appeared on January 6, 1984. This is also three kings day in Puerto Rico. It was a very big and bright six pointed star. The kings were close by and they visited.

straightUp Loc: California

I think you're confusing a need for a deeper imagination for what you're calling a leap of faith. The difference is practically defined in the difference between science and religion. Science is exactly what you are saying it is... a bundle of "educated" guesses.. No true scientist, none of those warning us about climate change, or hurricane paths (ha, ha) will deny this. They KNOW it's a process of best guesses.

For that reason, they are NOT actually expecting the EXACT and ABSOLUTE truth about ANYTHING they study! The game is matter of imagination, dealing with possibilities. This hang up about THE ONE and ONLY TRUTH, despite your awareness of the scientific method, precludes you from the very nature of science - that is if I'm reading it right, it seems your entire point is that it takes a greater leap of faith to believe everything started from nothing. Well, yes it does. 'Thing is... believing that everything started from nothing isn't the point of science.

Give a scientist a bucket of faith and he won't know what to do with it. Stir-fry it? make a bong out of it? For faith to have any real value there has to be a driving need to believe that what your daddy told you is the absolute truth no matter how absurd it may seem to others. This is what we call religion and for that you need faith.

Just for fun... let me ask you something...

If everything didn't come from nothing where DID it everything come from?

Rose42

No I’m not confused. It takes a greater leap of faith to believe something was created from nothing and this planet, all life and its interdependencies and complexities somehow evolved from that big bang.



That is incorrect. But it appears to be from a viewpoint where science is a religion and many do treat it as such. There are many scientists who are also Christians. The big bang theory of creation is but one aspect of science.

Even though science has no hard evidence of how the earth came into being some still have that faith that it can’t be from God even though that makes more sense. Thats not lack of imagination, its thinking.



I’m not trying to hide it.



From something - God - who has always existed. He is the Creator and designer of life. Using one’s imagination, why could this not be so? A supreme being with intelligence we can’t begin to comprehend creates all life vs a bang that led to earth, its atmosphere, climate, and the incredible complexity of life. How could that come from nothing?

I know we won’t agree on this but you do raise some valid questions.

moldyoldy

New telescope in China is getting repeated radio signals from deep space.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/chinas-colossal-radio-telescope-just-heard-a-bizarre-signal-in-space/ar-AAH6ba2?ocid=spartandhp

Tug484

I actually saw something they did once and those scientists actually admitted there had to be a God.
I can't remember exactly what they did. It was quite a few years back.

straightUp Loc: California

Greater than what? The faith it takes to believe God waved his arms and created the world in seven days?

I already agreed that it takes a giant leap of faith to actually believe ANY of the theories about the origins of the universe are infallible. But your assumption that it even matters to someone like me is where I think you are confused. I don't need faith to believe it's true because I don't care if it is. But I do have the imagination to see it's many possibilities. See the difference now?

I suppose if you lack imagination, or if your natural-born capacity to imagine has been beaten down over time by religious dogma it would be hard to grasp how a field of gas can eventually form planets with complex climate systems.

Insisting that there HAS to be a design is an inability to let go of our own limitations as humans. Some people think that because humans rely on designs to build things, God does too.


How do you know? Seems to me that it takes even more faith to believe that out of the thousands of stories about how the world was created the one you chose to believe, the one where God created the universe like a magic trick is even farther fetched than Big Bang.


Why would you need imagination? The story is already laid out for you. There's nothing left to imagine. Of course you can fantasize about it, which is a type of imagination I suppose, but I was referring to the type of imagination that leads to new ideas, challenges old ideas... the type people use to explore reality, the type that can probably best be described as innovation. Fantasy and innovation are both forms of imagination but they are also different.

Not too worry though, as I said you don't need imagination to believe that God waved his hands and created the Universe in 7 days, a measure of time that is based on the rotation of a preexisting Earth.


We don't know. Then again we aren't the ones insisting that we DO know... That would be you. But since our imagination isn't restricted by the unbending assertion of scriptures from ancient people who couldn't even figure out how to make a toilet we are still free to explore ALL the possibilities.

Also, in thousands of years since people were coming up with stories about how the universe was created we've developed a massive body of knowledge and theories to utilize in our exploration... E=mc2 for instance, that says matter and energy are exchangeable as the atomic bomb has abundantly proven to us... just to point out one.


Valid questions are the best kind ;)

bylm1-Bernie

What a bunch of nonsensical BS!