Seth

Just the fact that you can support the left and actually try to argue that the GOP is the disruptive influence in our current polarized political climate speaks volumes about how out of touch you are with reality.

Sorry, I can't help with the brainwash thing, you'll need some sort of specialist for that.

Best of luck.

Cuda2020

You get things confused a lot and try not to twist things, yes I do support the left, but not in the issue of gerrymander, I specifically stated to outlaw gerrymandering all together but I guess that was a convenient slip on your part.

I argue against your point of the left and proved my point in return, sorry if that didn't sit well with you, but it had nothing to do with the present polarized conditions in congress. It's you who is out of touch but that is the profile of the right.

Sorry, about your mental disability...nothing will help that, not even a specialist

Seth

Same lefty technique, bounce back your own proclivities on those who won't succumb to the indoctrination you have.

Best of luck.

Cuda2020

Yeah, and we're all too familiar with the debate strategies of the right, LOL if you can call them a strategy, I'm being very generous.

Seth

Yeah, yeah.. yadda yadda yadda.

straightUp Loc: California

Okee-dokie ;)

straightUp Loc: California

eh... I was trying to read through this thread without getting reactive - lol

Look... we *know* the Democrats do it too... I mean, really we do. Now, I haven't researched the numbers yet so I have no idea how much worse one party is than the other when considering the entire history of gerrymandering but I get a very strong sense that in recent years the Republicans have really pulled ahead and it's hard not to suspect that this trend is driven by the election results over the past 20 years that show Republicans losing popular ground.

They come back in spurts but overall, the trajectory has not been good for red-meat conservatives.

In any case, the point I really want to make here is that it doesn't matter which party... the process itself is bullsh*t, but then again, I just revealed my perspective on this so it's probably obvious now that I support a fair system because the liberal side actually has more to gain from a fair system.

Seth

That depends entirely upon what you mean by a "fair" system.

Much of the "popular" vote comes from the same densely populated states. The purpose of the electoral college is to give all states an equal vote -- there is a vast gulf between what voters in certain regions need, for example, and what big city voters do -- it wouldn't be terribly "fair" if the votes of residents of certain states never had a say in who sits in the White House.

straightUp Loc: California

Fair, meaning one vote for every citizen. So very simple. It's perhaps the simplest concept in politics and yet your side is forever making things more complicated in an effort to hide the injustice of the current system.


That is incorrect. The EC has one and ONLY one purpose... To provide surrogate voters on behalf of the representatives. If California had a million representatives and Texas had one, the EC would do nothing to counter the uneven numbers. It would simply give a million votes to California and one to Texas.

You are confusing the purpose of the EC with an obsolete agreement on the number of representatives the Southern states were allowed, based on their slave populations, to counter the disadvantage of their smaller populations.

There was NEVER any constitutional discussion by ANY of the founders OR anyone since to address the issue of adjusting the number of votes to counter differences in the population of actual citizens per state.

You're more than welcome to produce ANY evidence to prove me wrong. Good luck!



There is also a vast gulf between what voters WITHIN certain regions need. More times than not when it comes to the federal issues the divisions are between industries more than they are between states. Divisions also exist between religions, between race and probably most significant of all between economic classes.

To insist on defining the interests of the American people on the state they live in is to ignore most of the interests of those people. It's a stupid, stupid idea and it's NEVER been considered in the almost 250 years since America was born.

I'm sorry Seth, I don't mean any personal offense but what you are suggesting is nothing less than delirium.


Which is the way the system works now! Voters in California only get a 5th of the say that one voter in Wyoming gets, which is precisely the problem you pretend the EC is avoiding.

Seth

Yeah, sure -- another concern of the founders that adds to that is the concept of mob rule, where if 51% wants something that's bad for the other 49%, tough luck.

I can see where the party that virtually controls both the education system and the mainstream media would love that, a "democracy" in this country at this point would render our voting system to what amounts to "garbage in, garbage out," especially since both of those Democrat run venues indoctrinate more than teach.

No thanks, I'll stick with the EC and let the chips fall where they may as long as the leftist media and education system continue to propagandize rather than inform. It seems that deplorables and clingers to religion and guns, out there in the flyover zone, have more smarts and patriotism in one finger than major city Democrats have in their entire beings.

MR Mister Loc: Washington DC

Seems to me you know nothing about what is going on in the Whitehouse, all your words and comments are fed to you by someone.

Cuda2020

My words are fed by one person, the actions of our poser president. Your personal opinion means nothing.

Cuda2020

I see, you're of the opinion that the minority should rule over the majority, an interesting concept, unreasonable and ludicrous, but interesting at best. And you think a country governed by the people would agree to that, that's interesting too, along with a form of some insanity, it's not logical.

Sorry, life calls gotta go

Cuda2020

It would only take ONE time for a Democrat to win by the EC and have the Republicans lose with the popular vote for you folks to flip(and I actually mean flip-out, because you would) to get you to change your minds, and it be done in a NY minute.

Cuda2020

Your quote, Fair, meaning one vote for every citizen. So very simple. It's perhaps the simplest concept in politics and yet your side is forever making things more complicated in an effort to hide the injustice of the current system.

That about sums it up in a nutshell. Your right though, it is not fair, and it's my belief that every person should feel their vote does count. Which also includes absentee ballads. If they(we) don't fix this, I think the time for representative votes should be over.