Smedley_buzkill wrote:
There are about 100 million gun owners in this country, NOT 11 million. Given the fact that there are about 220 million adults in this country, that makes ownership close to 50%.
I said 11 million super gun owners. Ones owning 10 or more guns. Though I did spell super supper.
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
This has already been done. The Liberals' solution is "universal background checks." No one but people who aren't going to commit a crime in the first place will pay any attention. Last year there were more than 100,000 stops on FFL gun purchases and less than 100 prosecution follow throughs on the 4600 odd cases that were actually referred for prosecution. The Liberal solution is to mandate more laws that won't be enforced. You cannot "ban semi auto weapons." While some of these attempts have not yet made it to the SCOTUS yet, the Constitution is very clear that you cannot pass an ex post facto law. You cannot make something illegal that was legal when it was done. A gun that was purchased legally must be grandfathered in. There are about 10 million so-called "assault rifles" in private hands right now. Every year more people are killed with knives than with all rifles and shotguns, not just the scary looking ones. Every year more people are killed with clubs than with all rifles and shotguns; not just the scary looking ones.
Calls for banning "high capacity magazines" are equally specious. I can change a magazine out in less than 3 seconds and I'm out of practice. I could do it faster when I was in the Army. Do you actually think that limiting magazines to ten rounds would make a difference?
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You don’t understand ex post facto.
moldyoldy wrote:
You are great at walking down that center median on the highway. Unfortunately, I completely agree with your premise. But, laws can make a difference, in some cases. There are a lot of guns in states that do not sell guns. How can you cross a state line and buy a gun? When will we integrate data bases with violent behavior shown on gun checks?
This is the whole problem. People who do not have a clue about what they are talking about wanting to make laws for all of us. it is not possible to buy guns on the Internet. It is not possible to buy guns in a State where you do not reside. You must fill out a Federal form 4473 to purchase ANY firearm.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/downloadIn addition you must show a picture ID and wait while your State Police do a background check to verify you are not a "prohibited possesser", and are allowed to buy and own a firearm. This is the Federal law. Other places have additional laws like California's 10 day waiting period. If you haven't participated in the process and are ignorant of it you are not qualified to make decisions for the rest of us.
The violent behavior is supposed to be addressed with the background check.
Semper Fi
GmanTerry wrote:
This is the whole problem. People who do not have a clue about what they are talking about wanting to make laws for all of us. it is not possible to buy guns on the Internet. It is not possible to buy guns in a State where you do not reside. You must fill out a Federal form 4473 to purchase ANY firearm.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/downloadIn addition you must show a picture ID and wait while your State Police do a background check to verify you are not a "prohibited possesser", and are allowed to buy and own a firearm. This is the Federal law. Other places have additional laws like California's 10 day waiting period. If you haven't participated in the process and are ignorant of it you are not qualified to make decisions for the rest of us.
The violent behavior is supposed to be addressed with the background check.
Semper Fi
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There are too many loopholes, like private party sales.
4430
Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
One gun at a time is how they plan on confiscating our guns
GmanTerry wrote:
This is the whole problem. People who do not have a clue about what they are talking about wanting to make laws for all of us. it is not possible to buy guns on the Internet. It is not possible to buy guns in a State where you do not reside. You must fill out a Federal form 4473 to purchase ANY firearm.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/downloadIn addition you must show a picture ID and wait while your State Police do a background check to verify you are not a "prohibited possesser", and are allowed to buy and own a firearm. This is the Federal law. Other places have additional laws like California's 10 day waiting period. If you haven't participated in the process and are ignorant of it you are not qualified to make decisions for the rest of us.
The violent behavior is supposed to be addressed with the background check.
Semper Fi
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It is possible to buy on the internet, however they have to be sent to a licensed dealer for pickup.
With ID & background check.
CodyCoonhound wrote:
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Exactly. And one action is to report the diagnosed psychologically unstable individual. Another is to diagnose in the first place. And another to put the info in the database.
What we DON'T need is every person who has ever had a psych treatment or evaluation to be barred from buying guns. This would bar people who have had minor issues. It would
bar every single veteran as there is a psych evaluation at discharge. It would bar everybody who has ever gone into a shelter such as a battered women's shelter, homeless shelter, or anything more than an emergency shelter for a disaster evacuation like for a hurricane or wildfire; as there is usually a mandatory counseling requirement.
badbob85037 wrote:
Not some, or most but all school shootings since 1955 have been carried out by ones on pharmaceutical drugs to cure a chemical imbalance or just coming off these drugs. Most of these 200 drugs are not drugs at all but poisons. Average profit on these drugs is $7.5 million a day with over 100 million taking these drugs world wide. This would explain these mass stabbings and fires in gun free nations. Don't expect any politician telling you this as the pharmaceutical industry spends more than any other lobbying group. 6 times that of number two.
Fluoride is the main ingredient in Prozac Fluoride was used by the NAZIs during WWII to make their victims go mad and to this day is poured into our water. All members of the FDA have financial ties to the drug industry. These drugs are being approved twice as fast and twice as many.. No one on Earth knows what a chemical imbalance is.
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Thanks for the info. I knew I'd heard several times of shooters being on, or previously on psych meds. But didn't know all were.
moldyoldy wrote:
There are too many loopholes, like private party sales.
Private party sales are almost always to family members or friends. If someone is purposely buying guns to resell, they are acting as a dealer and should have a gun dealer license. If they don't, they are in violation. So this is not a loophole but a case of breaking the law.
Private citizens will almost never sell their guns to a stranger.
maximus wrote:
I'm a little confused by your post. Rather than ask you to clarify, I'll just point out an undeniable fact; the cities with the strictest gun laws have the highest gun violence rates.
Here is the violent crime rates in Kennesaw, GA. from 2001 to 2017, a town where it is the law that everyone must own a gun.
Violent crime rate in 2017 Kennesaw: 130.3 U.S. Average: 214.8
Violent crime rate in 2016 Kennesaw: 106.7 U.S. Average: 216.3
Violent crime rate in 2015 Kennesaw: 91.1 U.S. Average: 208.5
Violent crime rate in 2014 Kennesaw: 64.8 U.S. Average: 200.7
Violent crime rate in 2013 Kennesaw: 54.3 U.S. Average: 204.3
Violent crime rate in 2012 Kennesaw: 50.8 U.S. Average: 214.5
Violent crime rate in 2011 Kennesaw: 34.8 U.S. Average: 214.1
Violent crime rate in 2010 Kennesaw: 32.9 U.S. Average: 223.2
Violent crime rate in 2009 Kennesaw: 49.9 U.S. Average: 238.0
Violent crime rate in 2008 Kennesaw: 49.7 U.S. Average: 252.4
Violent crime rate in 2007 Kennesaw: 59.7 U.S. Average: 259.7
Violent crime rate in 2005 Kennesaw: 60.3 U.S. Average: 258.9
Violent crime rate in 2004 Kennesaw: 55.2 U.S. Average: 256.0
Violent crime rate in 2003 Kennesaw: 53.6 U.S. Average: 262.6
Violent crime rate in 2002 Kennesaw: 61.8 U.S. Average: 272.2
Violent crime rate in 2001 Kennesaw: 51.4 U.S. Average: 276.6
It would seem that more guns equal less crime.
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Not the conclusion I would draw from your data. While the violent crime rate for the US went down 25% during your time frame the violent crime rate for Kennesaw more than doubled.
4430
Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
Floyd Brown wrote:
Just who are they?
The gun hating Demo's in Congress that's who !
maximus
Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
working class stiff wrote:
Not the conclusion I would draw from your data. While the violent crime rate for the US went down 25% during your time frame the violent crime rate for Kennesaw more than doubled.
Agreed, but still well below the national average. I used Kennesaw because I met a couple from there who were visiting my hometown. Actually, I was shocked to see the rise of violent crime there, but as I said, it's still well below the national average.
From what I understand to be true, if one were to remove the 4 deadliest cities off the list, that America would fall to second place for the least violent gun crime. Chicago, New York city, Detroit, and San Frisco are the four cities...all have stringent gun laws and are democratically governed ( I say democratically governed NOT to throw my political view into the fray, but it's just the way it is). All have very high rates of violent gun crimes.
It's impossible to do away with crime, but it's ludicrous to ignore the fact that cities where citizens are armed are safer than those with tough gun laws and unarmed citizens by far.
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