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Sep 1, 2019 19:10:29   #
EmilyD
 
son of witless wrote:
Now now Kevyn. We have all made mistakes on OPP. If we own up to our mistakes and apologize we can move on. So as soon as you apologize to debeda, as I know you are going to,


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Sep 1, 2019 22:56:17   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Kevyn wrote:
And you fell back on your traditional education to double post on the simplest platform online in a failed attempt to poke fun at the current education system, this speaks volumes.


Poor Kevvie he has been trying to drive a car like this since Obama took office,still can’t get it to go straight.

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Sep 1, 2019 23:02:37   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Parky60 wrote:




It's almost an optical illusion.

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Sep 2, 2019 00:44:58   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Parky60 wrote:


I think it's too early to tell if Common Core will work or not. From what I can tell, the people who bitch about it don't really get it.

The traditional American education system didn't teach people to think. It only taught people to memorize things they've been told. As a result, we have generations of people who have been conditioned to subscribe without intellectual challenge.

On one hand, that makes us easy to herd like sheep. "4 x 4 = 16 BECAUSE my teacher said so" turns into "Tax cuts are good for us because Trump says so". I would even go so far as to say this fits in with the flock paradigm where Americans raised in the tradition of religious hierarchy are conditioned to follow on faith alone, which is why I think the Christian-Right, more than any other demographic, are inclined to follow without challenge.

But another consequence is the fact that America has become dependent on foreign innovators. Most of what we call American ingenuity actually comes from innovators that were imported from other places with better education systems. For some business leaders this is not such a bad deal. Stupid voters who can't innovate and smart innovators that can't vote. But others have decided it would be better to teach American kids to actually think.

For a lot of older Americans this is an understandable shock. Their poor education leaves them struggling with abstract concepts and they get frustrated with having to figure it out. If someone can just tell them what the answer is, they can memorize it. ;)

Common Core is an attempt to teach kids how to actually think so if no one is around to tell them what the product of 4 and 4 is, they can figure it out through their own logic.

Again, I don't know if Common Core will actually work, but at least I know the intention behind it and it's funny as hell to see simple minded people react to it.

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Sep 2, 2019 01:52:00   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
kemmer wrote:
I retired from teaching the year Common Core came in and it was probably the best thing I ever did in my teaching career.

That's funny... the best thing you ever did in your career is end it. I tell ya what, if you couldn't handle common core then I would say you're right.

kemmer wrote:

I fought many long years against teaching from a script and fortunately my last principal let me do anything I wanted because my classes always got great results on the state STAR tests.

If they were getting great results on the STAR test then it was either because they had other teachers to help them or you were covering the material they needed to know.

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Sep 2, 2019 02:14:53   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
son of witless wrote:
Now now Kevyn. We have all made mistakes on OPP. If we own up to our mistakes and apologize we can move on. So as soon as you apologize to debeda, as I know you are going to,


I can see the mistake. I also thought the OP was a double when I first looked at it. I noticed he hasn't been back since so there's a good chance he hasn't even realized the mistake. I thought his comment was more witty than insulting (or it would have been if the OP was a double) What is obvious is that he was directing his comment to the OP not debeda.

What I find hilarious about all this though is how you folks are demanding that he apologize after trashing him with insults that are sooo much worse.

"He is a pathetic excuse for a human being." - crazylibertarian

"He has to be the most miserable human on the planet." - tug484

Honestly, you sound like petulant children.

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Sep 2, 2019 07:21:39   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
debeda wrote:
OMG a PICASSO car

Excellent description, Debeda

It definitely would make for an interesting conversation piece in anyone's neighborhood.

Price tag

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Sep 2, 2019 08:22:07   #
debeda
 
slatten49 wrote:
Excellent description, Debeda

It definitely would make for an interesting conversation piece in anyone's neighborhood.

Price tag


Lol by picasso? 20 mil, at least It is kinda cool, cuz your eyes try to make sense of it, and your brain says WTH

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Sep 2, 2019 08:25:58   #
Cuda2020
 
Parky60 wrote:


This is rich, please, show us an example of Common Core Math, I'll wait

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Sep 2, 2019 08:35:51   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
This is rich, please, show us an example of Common Core Math, I'll wait

I'm a little hesitant to comment on this, but...here goes. Presumably, architectural and engineering skills are built around math, so this picture/photo (however altered) is clearly an example of math somehow going wrong.

Not being a recipient of common core training, I have neither the knowledge or understanding to be either a critic or fan. But, I do have a sense of humor which helps me navigate through much of the vitriol exhibited on OPP. In fact, a sense of humor may very well be the most important quality to possess on these pages. As it is, contributors are overly serious far too often.

Lighten up and enjoy what should'a been put in the 'chit-chat' section and enjoyed just for the fun of it.

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Sep 2, 2019 09:17:15   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
I'm a little hesitant to comment on this, but...here goes. Presumably, architectural and engineering skills are built around math, so this picture/photo (however altered) is clearly an example of math somehow going wrong.

Not being a recipient of common core training, I have neither the knowledge or understanding to be either a critic or fan. But, I do have a sense of humor which helps me navigate through much of the vitriol exhibited on OPP. In fact, a sense of humor may very well be the most important quality to possess on these pages. As it is, contributors are overly serious far too often.

Lighten up and enjoy what should'a been put in the 'chit-chat' section and enjoyed just for the fun of it.
I'm a little hesitant to comment on this, but...he... (show quote)


Its a funny pic. Why would anyone fight over it?

I've helped some children with math. Common core doesn't teach them how to think better but it does muddy the waters. I taught them the way I was taught, then showed them some visual representations. The light bulb clicked on pretty quick.

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Sep 2, 2019 09:58:49   #
kemmer
 
straightUp wrote:
If they were getting great results on the STAR test then it was either because they had other teachers to help them or you were covering the material they needed to know.

I was their only teacher.
Duh. Of course I taught them what they needed to know. I put together my own Science texts and curricula because my district's Science texts were printed in 1981. Five of my students scored "Advanced" in Science.

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Sep 2, 2019 10:00:12   #
Cuda2020
 
straightUp wrote:
I think it's too early to tell if Common Core will work or not. From what I can tell, the people who bitch about it don't really get it.

The traditional American education system didn't teach people to think. It only taught people to memorize things they've been told. As a result, we have generations of people who have been conditioned to subscribe without intellectual challenge.

On one hand, that makes us easy to herd like sheep. "4 x 4 = 16 BECAUSE my teacher said so" turns into "Tax cuts are good for us because Trump says so". I would even go so far as to say this fits in with the flock paradigm where Americans raised in the tradition of religious hierarchy are conditioned to follow on faith alone, which is why I think the Christian-Right, more than any other demographic, are inclined to follow without challenge.

The second problem and frustration is with parents who feel lost and cannot help their children, understandable. The schools should consult the parents when they begin school to go over the lessons too for a better understanding.

But another consequence is the fact that America has become dependent on foreign innovators. Most of what we call American ingenuity actually comes from innovators that were imported from other places with better education systems. For some business leaders this is not such a bad deal. Stupid voters who can't innovate and smart innovators that can't vote. But others have decided it would be better to teach American kids to actually think.

For a lot of older Americans this is an understandable shock. Their poor education leaves them struggling with abstract concepts and they get frustrated with having to figure it out. If someone can just tell them what the answer is, they can memorize it. ;)

Common Core is an attempt to teach kids how to actually think so if no one is around to tell them what the product of 4 and 4 is, they can figure it out through their own logic.

Again, I don't know if Common Core will actually work, but at least I know the intention behind it and it's funny as hell to see simple minded people react to it.
I think it's too early to tell if Common Core will... (show quote)


People become solidified in their own conditioning, that any change or new process they find to be a struggle, not seeing that the struggle comes from themselves from resisting it. Most of the changes are in simple vocabulary.

You're are correct all Common Core does is set a standard that needs to be achieved by the student, the hows and ways of methodology is completely up to the school and teacher, with a very wide girth considering with Common Core they "want" different methods to be shown in order to give the child the choice that best fits him/her. Unfortunately, this is where some error may occur if students are not properly taught the different strategies clearly they will become confused, another words, if the child gets the strategies mingled they will fail until it is understood which is which. The second question is, do all the teachers know and show all these different strategies?

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Sep 2, 2019 10:15:28   #
I am John Galt
 
kemmer wrote:
I retired from teaching the year Common Core came in and it was probably the best thing I ever did in my teaching career. I fought many long years against teaching from a script and fortunately my last principal let me do anything I wanted because my classes always got great results on the state STAR tests.



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My wife took early retirement 2 years ago and, though an excellent and accomplished teacher, we have never looked back
In addition to totally dysfunctional Common Core, add “Inclusion” and “Diversity “ being force fed, our education system (if you can still call it education) is in very deep shit- and, thus, so is our country in this regard

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Sep 2, 2019 10:17:13   #
Cuda2020
 
slatten49 wrote:
I'm a little hesitant to comment on this, but...here goes. Presumably, architectural and engineering skills are built around math, so this picture/photo (however altered) is clearly an example of math somehow going wrong.

Not being a recipient of common core training, I have neither the knowledge or understanding to be either a critic or fan. But, I do have a sense of humor which helps me navigate through much of the vitriol exhibited on OPP. In fact, a sense of humor may very well be the most important quality to possess on these pages. As it is, contributors are overly serious far too often.

Lighten up and enjoy what should'a been put in the 'chit-chat' section and enjoyed just for the fun of it.
I'm a little hesitant to comment on this, but...he... (show quote)


I have a sense of humor slatt thanks, but sometimes ridicule is at someone else's expense, right now not at a person, directly, but we always know where it leads. But the Common Core standard has gotten a bum rap from people who happen to be misinformed and them doing the ridiculing, rather ironic don't you think, one can even say laughable.

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