debeda

Thanks for the info

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

That's a pretty good trick, Trump levying a tax on anything. Presidents are NOT allowed to levy taxes. That job falls to congress.
Why should I not go to Mexico? Surely, it's not because Obama and Eric Holder are stained with American blood from Fast and Furious. Obama enacted executive privilege and sealed his records. Eric Holder was held in contempt by congress for not providing those records . Only after a lawsuit filed by the house republicans did Obama release "some" of the documents requested. But there were none that stated that Obama or Holder knew anything about it...so why did Obama keep the documents hidden? Holder had to resign.

Are you referring to the war in Iraq? About there not being WMDs? Seems to me that there weren't any. And they weren't sneaked away...how do you sneak anything in a desert? That was Bush Jr's baby to get us into the war, IMHO.
Somebody's to blame for Benghazi! It's factual they they asked for increased security several times but were ignored. To blame a film maker's movie was just redirection to hide the fact that the upper echelon allowed those 4 Americans die and it was Clinton's AND Obama's job to NOT let that happen.


The Patriot Act? While it was demonized heavily, it has in fact saved lives. Newsday reported;

Information-sharing facilitated by the Patriot Act, for example, was

critical to the successful dismantling of terror cells in Lackawanna, Portland,

Ore., and Virginia. Likewise, the information-sharing provisions contained in

the act assisted the prosecution in San Diego of those involved with an

al-Qaida drugs-for-weapons plot involving "Stinger" anti-aircraft missiles.

It also aided in the prosecution of Enaam Arnaout, who had a relationship

with Osama bin Laden and used his charity organization to obtain funds

illicitly from unsuspecting Americans for terrorist groups.

These are not trivial successes. On the contrary, they're part of an

enormous, ongoing effort to protect America from further terrorist attacks.

We cannot, of course, say that the Patriot Act alone can stop terrorism.

But every time we successfully use the new tools to thwart a terrorist

organization, that's a victory


Also;

at a Judiciary Committee hearing on the Patriot

Act, Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California said: "I have never had a

single abuse of the Patriot Act reported to me. My staff...asked [the ACLU] for

instances of actual abuses. They...said they had none." So the fiction of

abuse can be laid to rest.


It just can't get transparent enough for me to see something that isn't there.

acknowledgeurma

From:
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/tariff
A tariff is a kind of tax on goods a country imports or exports.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

I thought antifa stood for anti fascism, not black lives matter. Let me give you my take on these "murdered" black men. I am an armed security officer and a trained observer. I've been on the job for 9 years. In all of the videos I've seen, 1 cop...just 1...shot a black man in the back while he was running away. When someone is running away, they are NO longer a threat. That cop was guilty of murder.
In ALL the other videos I have seen, not 1 man ( or woman a couple of times) complied with police. They either fought or had a knife or had on them a gun or went for a gun. In almost every case you can plainly hear the cop[s telling the suspect to put the gun down, which they don't do.
Cops are just people and they want to go home at the end of their shift too, just like we do. When given a chance to comply and keep things peaceful and they refuse, they take their life in their own hands. The cops have a job to do and they WILL do it.
As for fascism, there are NO examples of what defines fascism going on today as I already stated. Control over opposition...obviously, Trump has no control over opposition. Complete control over industry...trump had deregulated and freed up industry way, way more than Obama, so does that make Obama a fascist? Exalts nation and sometimes race over the individual. Trump is giving America back to Americans, has condemned any person or group that uses violence against others of differing opinions, or that holds one group or race as superior to another. I've seen it and I've heard it. Like I said, the ones who are using the tools of fascism is antifa.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Really? I don't recall paying property tariffs, or a sales tariff, or income tariffs...they are taxes on citizens. Tariffs are taxes on trade goods between sovereign states. So what else is included in that tariff that covers wine and against which sovereign state? Do you actually believe that Trump leveled a tariff on some other country to make a little more on wine? That's utterly ridiculous.
Why don't he just slap regulations on every winery except his? I'll tell you why...the tariffs are against nations that have been screwing us forever on trade and Trump is correcting that. It's called putting America first.

debeda

[quote=maximus]I thought antifa stood for anti fascism, not black lives matter. Let me give you my take on these "murdered" black men. I am an armed security officer and a trained observer. I've been on the job for 9 years. In all of the videos I've seen, 1 cop...just 1...shot a black man in the back while he was running away. When someone is running away, they are NO longer a threat. That cop was guilty of murder.
In ALL the other videos I have seen, not 1 man ( or woman a couple of times) complied with police. They either fought or had a knife or had on them a gun or went for a gun. In almost every case you can plainly hear the cop[s telling the suspect to put the gun down, which they don't do.
Cops are just people and they want to go home at the end of their shift too, just like we do. When given a chance to comply and keep things peaceful and they refuse, they take their life in their own hands. The cops have a job to do and they WILL do it.
As for fascism, there are NO examples of what defines fascism going on today as I already stated. Control over opposition...obviously, Trump has no control over opposition. Complete control over industry...trump had deregulated and freed up industry way, way more than Obama, so does that make Obama a fascist? Exalts nation and sometimes race over the individual. Trump is giving America back to Americans, has condemned any person or group that uses violence against others of differing opinions, or that holds one group or race as superior to another. I've seen it and I've heard it. Like I said, the ones who are using the tools of fascism is antifa.[/quote]

WELL SAID, Max! AGREED

acknowledgeurma

maximus wrote:
That's a pretty good trick, Trump levying a tax on anything. Presidents are NOT allowed to levy taxes. That job falls to congress.
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After being reminded that tariffs are taxes, maximus wrote:
Really? I don't recall paying property tariffs, or a sales tariff, or income tariffs...they are taxes on citizens. Tariffs are taxes on trade goods between sovereign states.
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So, are you now admitting that President Trump has levied a tax?

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Let me repeat my question to you. Do you actually believe that Trump levied a tariff against another country to make a little more money from his winery? Or that he even could?

Merriam Webster defines a tariff as; : a schedule of duties imposed by a government on imported or in some countries exported goods

Merriam Webster defines a tax as; : a charge usually of money imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes

The two are obviously different.

To put this tariff into perspective, lets look at what it is actually for. France has threatened to put a "digital tax" on big tech companies like Amazon, and in response, Trump has said that we would tax French wine like they have never seen.
The tariff has absolutely NOTHING to do with Trump's winery but everything to do with putting America first.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Thank you.

acknowledgeurma

To answer your questions:
Do you actually believe that Trump levied a tariff against another country to make a little more money from his winery?
I have no idea why Trump does anything and I'm not certain that he does.

Or that he even could?
Well...wouldn't it be a national security issue if his wine didn't sell?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/duty
duty noun
4 : TAX
especially : a tax on imports
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A tax and a tax by another name is still a tax.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Technically, you are correct. The original statement was misleading, here it is;



The statement presents a false narrative. It looks like Trump is taxing ALL imported wines so he can make more money from his winery. That is just false. France levied a 3% "tax" on major tech companies ( Amazon is one) so Trump is talking about putting a tariff or a tax ( they are the same thing so say you) on FRENCH wine, NOT all imported wines. There is no self interest, it's only Trump putting America first.
That was all I was talking about.

acknowledgeurma

Responding to:
Now the president, who has a winery, decides to tax imported wine, no self-interest there ONCE AGAIN. How transparent does it have to get before you guys see????

In order to know if the original statement presents a false narrative, we would need more information. For example, we would need to know if Trump wine competes with French wine or if instead it competes with Boone's Farm.

Here's another narrative: President Trump, realizing his buddy Bezos is hurting from the French tax on Amazon, decides to punish the French by taxing their wine, despite the fact it will cost him more when his buddies at his Mar-a-Lago Club order French wine. America (Amazon) First!

And another narrative: President Trump (economic genius he is) realizes the increased profit he can make when his buddies at his Mar-a-Lago Club (who are drowning in extra cash due to the tax cuts he and the Republicans passed) pay a hefty percentage markup on the higher cost of the fine French wine he sells.

Yet another narrative: President Trump, with the extra profits from the fine French wine he sells, can now hire more undocumented workers, who with their stolen Social Security Numbers, will add (and not withdraw) to the Social Security Trust Fund extending its life. America First!

Of course all these narratives could have been avoided had President Trump fully divested his business interests, or at the very least made the workings of his business fully transparent by releasing tax returns, public audits, etc.

Another narrative: President Trump did not fully divested his business interests because his debts overwhelm his assets. Were he to divest, the emperor would be revealed.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

If I ignore the insults to Trump, I am left with zilch! Nada. Nothing. No answer. As I said before, the statement was false and misleading to make Trump look bad when he is doing everything in his power to benefit America.
So, lets do some insults...these are not made up only in my mind. I saw just 2 days ago where a white man said that he and Obama were lovers. Joan Rivers said on TV that Michelle Obama was a man...now why on earth would she say that? The so called daughters were caught twerking and smoking pot. Michelle said this about our flag..."All this for a damn flag." Obama brought all this racism out and hatred for police along with it. Obama said the constitution was just a piece of paper that kept him from doing what he wanted. That ought to do it.

debeda

acknowledgeurma

Was I insulting President Trump? I thought I was presenting various narratives that might explain the tariff increase on French wine that President Trump proposes. I think there's little evidence for these narratives and suggested release of tax returns might dispel any support for them.

Regarding, "Obama said the constitution was just a piece of paper that kept him from doing what he wanted."
See:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/01/10/watch_live_president_obamas_farewell_address.html
Wherein:
Our Constitution is a remarkable, beautiful gift. But it’s really just a piece of parchment. It has no power on its own. We, the people, give it power – with our participation, and the choices we make. Whether or not we stand up for our freedoms. Whether or not we respect and enforce the rule of law. America is no fragile thing. But the gains of our long journey to freedom are not assured.
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Hmm, one is led to wonder where you get your information and how much cross checking you do.

Of course, you are comparing this calumny to the statement about President Trump and the wine tariffs that you claim is false. So are you saying that the things you wrote about the Obamas are also false? If so, why did you repeat them?