slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

You're right. "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."---[quote/Winston Churchill]

Also, from Churchill--- "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried."

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Well; thank goodness we are not a Democracy; The USA is a Republic, with federal government restraints.
That is the main purpose of the Constitution.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Read and understand the seeming complexity of our 'democratic republic,' Birdman.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-united-states-of-america-is-a-democracy/

Brief excerpts....

"The United States is Both a Republic and a Democracy (a Representative Democracy)

One way to phrase this is the United States of America is a 'representative republic' (a 'representative democracy,' in a Republic).

The people democratically vote for representatives, who then represent them in government. Thus, in simple terms, the United States of America is both a Democracy and a Republic in this sense.

The bottom line here is: The United States of America is a Republic with a Representative Democracy (a type of Democracy, but not a Pure Direct Democracy). Therefore, while technically a republic, it isn’t incorrect to refer to the U.S. as a democracy (or more specifically as a representative democracy) in most contexts."

emarine

Does Trump have one Redeeming Quality???

I had to wait to reply to this question for days … after several nights of good sleep & much thought my answer is no... except his wife seems ok so far...

straightUp Loc: California

Man, you STILL haven't learned the basics... It's third grade level dude... Republics are NOT an alternative to democracy, they are an alternative to monarchy. In fact, most Republics ARE democracies including our own... Maybe I can make it more simple for you... If you vote, your in a democracy. How you don't get that just blows my mind.

I guess all that brain washing is really working on you. There's been a cultural movement over the past 30 years that seeks to erode American faith in democracy because democracy means self-determination and the last thing the people behind this movement want is Americans who determine their own future. Recently, with the arrival of social media, this movement has found ways to saturate your attention with false premises, like how America isn't supposed to be a democracy. This is supposed to erode the American will to protect our democracy.

In case, you didn't know the alternative to democracy is tyranny. And we are now in a more advanced phase of this movement where emotional rhetoric is used to drive people into the arms of tyranny, which is how fascism works and the Trump administration is making this super-obvious.

BTW, China and North Korea are also republics, the difference is that our republic leverages more democracy. At least for now... Give the Republicans a little time and we will be no better off than China.

straightUp Loc: California

I just responded to Birdman and then saw you pretty much said the same thing, perhaps with a little more patience. I just remember saying this to him a long time ago and it made no difference. Some people just don't want to change their minds and to that end they will ignore the facts.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Just because they have the word "Republic" in their country's name doesn't make them so. Actually, the progressive democratic movement for the past 100 years has been trying to push for more democracy. That is one reason they want to get rid of the Electoral College. One of the first things that did was repeal the 17th Amendment so that Senators would be elected by direct popular vote instead of by state legislatures.

The alternative to democracy isn't tyranny. Tyranny can be achieved in a democracy by a majority faction that doesn't protect the rights of the minority. Most Republicans believe in the rule of law and the greatest law of the land is the Constitution. That will not put us on the same level as China. People were allowed to vote in Russia and it wasn't a democracy, nor a republic. Every two-bit dictator lets the people vote. It's not who get the most votes, it's who counts the votes.

The leftist wing of the Democratic party is anti-democracy despite its' rhetoric to the contrary to encourage you to give them your vote.

"There's been a cultural movement over the past 30 years that seeks to erode American faith in democracy because democracy means self-determination and the last thing the people behind this movement want is Americans who determine their own future."

This is what the Democrats have been striving for since the Wilson Administration. They stepped it up with FDR and went all out with Johnson's Great Society. That has encouraged Democrats to grow government ever bigger. The bigger the government the smaller the person. The Republicans have been complicit in this process. The conservative wing of the Republican Party is the best defense against the leftist, socialist, fascist, statist, elitist, communist, big brother government of the Democrats. Democrats keep Blacks on the Democratic Party plantation by making them dependent on the government. They do this to every group they claim to represent.

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Quotes
Thomas Jefferson--- "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government.

bylm1-Bernie

I think you meant so say, give the "Democrats" a little more time, did you not?

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

With my post confirming Tuck's quote from Winston Churchill, it appears that, regarding the terms 'republic' & 'democracy,' another Pandora's Box of semantics was jarred open. IMO, Eagle, Straight-Up, Tuck and I are just continuing to beat a dead horse, perhaps just for the fun/hell of it.

For example, the link I gave above goes on ad nauseum in an effort to differentiate between the two. The link was put up, in part, to highlight how exhausting it can get arguing over the supposed differences. If one can get through that link, it becomes clear that even the founding fathers had similar disputes...John Adams being one of the most adamant about our being a democracy. I contend our nation is both a republic and a democracy, but short of a direct democracy. I will not engage again over it being called either.

Lastly: Kudos to EMarine for injecting a short post actually speaking to the thread topic.

emarine

Thanks Slat but that was more of an attempt at bad humor... the turn this thread took is interesting but a real reply requires thought, logic & reason... seems I'm relaxing & pissing to leeward today...

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

""The United States is Both a Republic and a Democracy (a Representative Democracy)" - slatten49

There is a HUGE difference between what our Republic was, and a "Democratic Republic"

Turning the USA into a "Democratic Republic" has been the con for many decades, at least since 1913. The establishment of The Federal Reserve.

We are getting the results.
A 22 Trillion "debt" for the use of what should be our own "money".

The elitists (banking cabal) are the ones that set this up.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"Lastly: Kudos to EMarine for injecting a short post actually speaking to the thread topic" - slat
Sooo here is one;
'Does Trump have one Redeeming Quality???'
Not completely bowing to The Fed.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Yeah, I've heard/read that before.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

E, bad humor or not, it was at least pertaining to the thread topic.

As you might have read on the first page, my response to the topic question required less time.