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Jul 25, 2019 23:47:51   #
Seth
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
By Laurence H. Tribe is the Carl M. Loeb University Professor and Professor of Constitutional Law at Harvard University. He is an accomplished Supreme Court advocate, holder of eleven honorary degrees, and the author, most recently, of “To End a Presidency: The Power of Impeachment” (co-authored with Joshua Matz).

~Snipit, read full article:http://www.lawfareblog.com/yes-constitution-allows-indictment-president

Former OLC head Walter Dellinger has authoritatively canvassed the complex history of the Justice Department’s wavering views on the indictment of a sitting president and analyzed the arguments underlying the relevant OLC memos and executive-branch submissions to the Supreme Court. He concludes that “putting a president on trial would be inconsistent with the Article II responsibilities of the modern presidency,” although indicting the president and postponing the trial might not be.

I will shortly discuss the postponement option, but what is essential now is to focus on one conspicuous fact about the OLC memos and Justice Department briefs: They simply don’t address the situation that appears to be unfolding in the United States at the moment. There is mounting reason to ask whether the president and his associates sought to secure his election by conspiring with foreign adversaries and domestic accomplices to defraud the American people. Yet the memos in question would shield him from being held accountable precisely because he won that office. There is a maddeningly circular, bootstrap quality to arguing that even a crime committed to put somebody into a privileged position can’t be pursued because, well, it helped put him into that position of privilege.

In closing: Thus, even if trial and sentencing are to be delayed, there is a compelling case for indicting such a president in plain view and offering him a choice. If he wishes, he could be publicly tried and invoke Section 3 of the 25th Amendment if he is ready to certify that the burdens of criminal trial prevent him from “discharg[ing] the powers and duties of his office” so that those powers and duties devolve on the vice president for the duration of the trial.

Or his trial could be deferred if he expressly agrees, as a binding condition of such postponement, that he will not invoke the statute of limitations or accept a pardon to avoid trial and possible conviction once he is no longer in office. This seems to me the very least that the American legal system should ensure whenever the crime with which the president is charged goes to the very legitimacy of his role as leader of the government and head of state.

Should the president been indicted long ago?
By Laurence H. Tribe is the Carl M. Loeb Universit... (show quote)


It's all moot anyway, since every single American who's not award-winningly stupid now knows that the entire back-to-back "collusion and obstruction" spectacle was a lot of expensive nothing and has moved on.

Of course, it is inevitable that there will remain, the law of averages would indicate, a few utter morons who won't let go, will still be blubbering and snivelling about "Trump and Putin, yadda yadda, collusion, yadda yadda, blah blah blah... Obstruction! Yes, obstruction! He obstructed the investigation of... Um...uh, the investigation of nothing! Collusion! Obstruction! Putin, I tellya!..."

What a sad bunch of losers, these TDSers...

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Jul 26, 2019 00:01:15   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
By Laurence H. Tribe is the Carl M. Loeb University Professor and Professor of Constitutional Law at Harvard University. He is an accomplished Supreme Court advocate, holder of eleven honorary degrees, and the author, most recently, of “To End a Presidency: The Power of Impeachment” (co-authored with Joshua Matz).

~Snipit, read full article:http://www.lawfareblog.com/yes-constitution-allows-indictment-president

Former OLC head Walter Dellinger has authoritatively canvassed the complex history of the Justice Department’s wavering views on the indictment of a sitting president and analyzed the arguments underlying the relevant OLC memos and executive-branch submissions to the Supreme Court. He concludes that “putting a president on trial would be inconsistent with the Article II responsibilities of the modern presidency,” although indicting the president and postponing the trial might not be.

I will shortly discuss the postponement option, but what is essential now is to focus on one conspicuous fact about the OLC memos and Justice Department briefs: They simply don’t address the situation that appears to be unfolding in the United States at the moment. There is mounting reason to ask whether the president and his associates sought to secure his election by conspiring with foreign adversaries and domestic accomplices to defraud the American people. Yet the memos in question would shield him from being held accountable precisely because he won that office. There is a maddeningly circular, bootstrap quality to arguing that even a crime committed to put somebody into a privileged position can’t be pursued because, well, it helped put him into that position of privilege.

In closing: Thus, even if trial and sentencing are to be delayed, there is a compelling case for indicting such a president in plain view and offering him a choice. If he wishes, he could be publicly tried and invoke Section 3 of the 25th Amendment if he is ready to certify that the burdens of criminal trial prevent him from “discharg[ing] the powers and duties of his office” so that those powers and duties devolve on the vice president for the duration of the trial.

Or his trial could be deferred if he expressly agrees, as a binding condition of such postponement, that he will not invoke the statute of limitations or accept a pardon to avoid trial and possible conviction once he is no longer in office. This seems to me the very least that the American legal system should ensure whenever the crime with which the president is charged goes to the very legitimacy of his role as leader of the government and head of state.

Should the president been indicted long ago?
By Laurence H. Tribe is the Carl M. Loeb Universit... (show quote)




He must have taught Al Greene and Maxine Waters law.😁😀😂

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Jul 26, 2019 00:09:07   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
He needs destroying, he needs to be stomped out like the Cock-roach that he is. YOU alt-right radical fascist cons are useful tools for the people pulling your puppet strings. YOU support a treasonous traitor, Trump the pussy-grabber who objectifies women, he shows no respect for them, he only patronizes the pretty ones so gimme a break here. Sleazy and crooked lawyers are more people in bed with Trump aside from the usually paid escorts, ha.

Damn straight on the Emoluments Clause, the Teflon man escaped that too. And yes to the 1st and 25th amendments.

Trump is the one who has caused this expense, with all his corrupt dealings and obstruction, you can go thank him. You people are he Kings of investigations, should we track you since Bill? Quite the tab on all of them since then and lets's not forget present-day Obama and Hillary again and again and again.

Tht legal opinion is far better than anything you got.
He needs destroying, he needs to be stomped out li... (show quote)


Yo boyson, you are humorously off the radical rails. You seem as though you've been coached by AirFlitterOne. You can't defend treasonous bathhouse barry and the suicide goddess by flailing and spewing like Maxine Waters.

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Jul 26, 2019 00:16:18   #
Seth
 
byronglimish wrote:
Yo boyson, you are humorously off the radical rails. You seem as though you've been coached by AirFlitterOne. You can't defend treasonous bathhouse barry and the suicide goddess by flailing and spewing like Maxine Waters.


When the indictments start coming down and the rodents begin pointing fingers at each other to try and save their skins, the left side of the dialogue hereabouts will morph into a cricket farm.

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Jul 26, 2019 00:17:24   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I would have liked to have read the article put that was about the most obnoxious ADD pop up crazed site I've ever had the total displeasure of being on, so F that.

Mueller is not a spotlight performer like Trump, he also tells the truth, it's what he says that has weight. Clearly Mueller a republican is in his own private tightrope and conundrum, trying to balance everything involved. He was still all about what NOT to say.


Lies! Mueller didn't cooperate with a single Republican, in his feel sorry for me charade.

You crazier than a shithouse rat Democratic Sedition Keepers spew that Republican slop about Comey too.

Anyone who has the intelligence to breathe knows that Comey has been on Hillary's tit and Bills whatever for many years.

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Jul 26, 2019 00:30:34   #
Seth
 
byronglimish wrote:
Lies! Mueller didn't cooperate with a single Republican, in his feel sorry for me charade.

You crazier than a shithouse rat Democratic Sedition Keepers spew that Republican slop about Comey too.

Anyone who has the intelligence to breathe knows that Comey has been on Hillary's tit and Bills whatever for many years.


"...crazier than a shithouse rat!" I have to remember that one!



And it definitely applies in the context used!

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Jul 26, 2019 00:30:35   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Seth wrote:
When the indictments start coming down and the rodents begin pointing fingers at each other to try and save their skins, the left side of the dialogue hereabouts will morph into a cricket farm.


Some former American who goes by the name Adam Schiff is already saying the IG report has been tainted.

That will be regurgitated until it's worn to nothing too.

Schiff is actually shaking in his ballerina shoes now.

Even with all of the guttural spew from our leftists here on opp, they must see the writing on the wall by now.

You're absolutely right, we'll have our own cricket farm right here on this board.

I've used them for fishbait before.

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Jul 26, 2019 00:44:23   #
Seth
 
byronglimish wrote:
Some former American who goes by the name Adam Schiff is already saying the IG report has been tainted.

That will be regurgitated until it's worn to nothing too.

Schiff is actually shaking in his ballerina shoes now.

Even with all of the guttural spew from our leftists here on opp, they must see the writing on the wall by now.

You're absolutely right, we'll have our own cricket farm right here on this board.

I've used them for fishbait before.


The true sign of habitual losers is the way they dig their holes deeper and deeper as they go, even when it's as plain as day that they're soon gonna fall into them...

And they are going to lose this round, as well as all future rounds, because once the whole story is out, even the MSM won't be able to dumb it down... The American people (not these backyard Bolsheviks who are today's Democrats) will be more vigilant and keep a better eye on the politicians as Jefferson warned us to do two centuries ago.

For sure, the average American will view all of the Democrats' agendas with a little more suspicion than previously thought was necessary.

The Trump Effect® strikes again!😁

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Jul 26, 2019 01:03:21   #
Red Onion Rip Loc: Oklahoma
 
I still haven't been able to figure out what all the hoo-haa is and he colluded or didn't collude or they cheated and got him elected when all the people who are whining and crying about all of that crap are doing their level best to get as many illegal immigrants into the country to vote THEIR way so they can cheat their way into the White House, The House, and The Senate......what's the difference, cheating is cheating!!!!!!!!!! If I were Trump, I'd declare Martial Law, arrest everyone of the crooks in DC and finish draining the swamp once and for all and finish that Damn wall!!!! Okay, I'm done.

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Jul 26, 2019 06:29:33   #
Cuda2020
 
EmilyD wrote:
Interesting that this same professor called today's hearing a disaster for the Democrats...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-critic-laurence-tribe-slams-mueller-testimony-the-hearing-was-a-disaster


Read this from another link and he has a point.

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Jul 26, 2019 06:31:30   #
Cuda2020
 
Lonewolf wrote:
so in your eyes, a memo trumps the constitution sounds right for the right nationalist party


That's where they're trying to take us

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Jul 26, 2019 06:32:23   #
Cuda2020
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Since when did you care about the constitution as written and intended by our founding fathers. You you only care what some liberal says it means.


Stick to topic

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Jul 26, 2019 06:33:26   #
Cuda2020
 
MR Mister wrote:
Maybe someday a Liberal may become President, guess what! We are recording all your crap moves.


SticK to topic

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Jul 26, 2019 06:35:21   #
Cuda2020
 
amadjuster wrote:
Could we please have an interpreter?


How about you answer the simple question.

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Jul 26, 2019 06:36:21   #
Cuda2020
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
For three years and one month, YOU (the progressive socialist democrats) have been trying to destroy president Trump, his family, his friends, his associates, and his administration. YOU have tried to indict him, impeach him, criminalize him, imprison him. YOU have launched a covert espionage campaign to bury the man, YOU have weaponized government LE and Intel agencies to use against him. YOU have manufactured evidence and lied to the FISA Court to nail him. YOU have marched out a parade of porn stars and victimized women with sleazy lawyers to slander him. YOU have invoked the Logan Act, the Emoluments clause, the 25th Amendment, the 1st Amendment, and YOU have spent $35 million conducting an investigation led by rabid anti-Trump Hillary supporters in your attempt to destroy him and disenfranchise 63 million American voters.

And, we're supposed to accept this "legal" opinion as the straw that breaks the camel's back? GFY.
For three years and one month, YOU (the progressiv... (show quote)


YDTS

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