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Jun 30, 2013 16:55:49   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
The Dutchman wrote:
This basher is just piece of shit hiding behind his key board. I'm willing to bet it's a sawed of little runt that no one else will give the time of day to.
Must be the faggots in it's world are even ignoring it so it feel the need to spew your mindless homosexual racist rants in here in hopes someone will pay attention. I think the sooner normal folks in here just ignore it's pathetic brain fried faggot ass, the sooner we can get back to some more sensible discussion!
It has yet to add one thing to this forum other than it's egotistical know everything bullshit!
This basher is just piece of shit hiding behind hi... (show quote)


Either Lasher is taking the day off or he just can't answer my question. He told me that he could come by the words on so many sources from Google or some other place like that, but he just has never tried to get 'er done.

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Jun 30, 2013 17:54:58   #
Lasher Loc: Georgia
 
oldroy wrote:
Either Lasher is taking the day off or he just can't answer my question. He told me that he could come by the words on so many sources from Google or some other place like that, but he just has never tried to get 'er done.


That's because you are nothing but an old fart who sits on his lazy fat ass all day long stirring shit and trying to make people think you have some sense in that balding pin-head of yours, moron.

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Jun 30, 2013 21:25:12   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Lasher wrote:
That's because you are nothing but an old fart who sits on his lazy fat ass all day long stirring shit and trying to make people think you have some sense in that balding pin-head of yours, moron.


So you aren't going to explain IQ to me till you call me a few names? Have you done so enough, yet? :mrgreen:

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Jun 30, 2013 21:28:51   #
Lasher Loc: Georgia
 
oldroy wrote:
So you aren't going to explain IQ to me till you call me a few names? Have you done so enough, yet? :mrgreen:


I am not going to explain anything to you from now on, oldroy, because as I said, you are a shit stirrer - what the country folks used to call a "puddin' stick." It was used to redistribute the tall piles of "waste" in the bottom of outhouses.

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Jun 30, 2013 22:14:35   #
Poohlover71 Loc: Washington State
 
But unfortunately, it won't be the end... He's gonna drag allof them, and maybe a few more relatives that he picks up there, all the way back here and we gotta continue to support them.

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Jun 30, 2013 22:21:13   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
Poohlover71 wrote:
But unfortunately, it won't be the end... He's gonna drag allof them, and maybe a few more relatives that he picks up there, all the way back here and we gotta continue to support them.


if you were to use the quote reply box instead of the reply box it is easier to see who and about what you are addressing

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Jul 1, 2013 09:09:25   #
Lasher Loc: Georgia
 
alex wrote:
if you were to use the quote reply box instead of the reply box it is easier to see who and about what you are addressing


There you go with those rules again.

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Jul 2, 2013 16:21:19   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
oldroy wrote:
Usually when anybody is talking against THE GOVERNMENT they are talking about the federals not states and their sub-governments.

And that's fine for the rage rallies - but when people start having intellectual conversations the difference becomes important.

oldroy wrote:

I don't think you really understand that the federals want to control education and is trying very hard to take that one away from the states. That is part of destroying the Constitution by blowing out the 10th Amendmant.

Yes, I understand the struggle with federal influence over education and I have mixed feelings about it. But if education or some part of education is brought under federal jurisdiction the 10th won't be "blown out" as long as the change is mandated constitutionally, as an amendment for example.

oldroy wrote:

I don't think anybody not of the prog aim really wants to make the states into regional enforcement offices but then few of them realize why the federal government just can't control a country that is so much larger than the countries of Europe.

In my intro post, I mentioned my feelings about this. I think the nation is far too large for one central government to control. I am something of an anti-federalist in that sense. In fact, the framers of the Constitution originally intended to provide one representative for every 50-60,000 people. That's pretty decent representation. Today, the average size of a district is 700,000 people and growing. That's NOT very good representation. From 1790 to 1910, the number of districts increased every ten years in order to keep up with the increasing population. In 1910 the number of representatives reached 435. In 1929 Congress passed a bill that says the number of representatives will stay at 435 regardless of how large the population gets. That should have been the indication way back then that the country has outgrown it's federal government.

You might want to take a look at this...
http://www.thirty-thousand.org/

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Jul 2, 2013 16:28:57   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
banjojack wrote:
straightUp wrote:
Why do people just say things like that? You don't even know.

President Obama spent 78 days on vacation from 2009 to 2011. At the three year mark into their first terms, George W. Bush spent 180 days on vacation and Ronald Reagan spent 112. Bush has the current record for spending time on vacation which amounted to 32% of his entire presidency.

Maybe Obama spends more per day while on vacation... I don't really know and you probably don't either. So all I'm saying at this point, is I don't think it's likely that Obama has the record for spending tax money on vacations. You're either going to have to provide some numbers and sources or your comment goes in the "I hate Obama,
Why do people just say things like that? You don't... (show quote)

so I say anything to criticize hi
There has been one, count 'em, one First Lady in history who has spent more than $10,000,000 on vacations that have NOTHING to do with the nations' business. Michelle Obama. This is not Presidential business. This is Michelle Obama and daughters. The British spent fifty odd million dollars last year on the Royal Family. We spent one point four BILLION on our "Royal Family." First Lady? How about Fust 'Ho?
quote=straightUp Why do people just say things li... (show quote)


Let me get this straight... You are saying that we spent $1.4 billion just on Michelle Obama in one year... I don't buy it.

Again... You're either going to have to provide some sources or the numbers along with your comments goes in the "I hate Obama" bucket.

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Jul 2, 2013 16:36:20   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
AuntiE wrote:
Although the President may have spent less days on vacation, his vacations have not been spent at personal property owned by his family. He does not vacation at his home in Chicago. He chooses to rent large expensive abodes for his vacations.

As you are our research guru, perhaps determining the break down of costs of flying from Andrews to Texas in comparison to flying from Andrews to Hawaii and Martha's Vineyard would be in order. Per the US Air Force it costs $178,500, not including crew, food, ground maintenance crews, etc. to put Air Force One into the air.

Although the President may have taken less vacation days, it is my personal perception, for what little it may be worth, the current President has spent substantially more time and money flying hither and yon for campaign style events relating to political issues and political fund raisers compared to his predecessor.
Although the President may have spent less days on... (show quote)


Personally, I'd rather see my president flying around the world and talking to people about political issues than hiding out on his ranch. As far as I am concerned, it's money better spent.

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Jul 2, 2013 16:38:41   #
Lasher Loc: Georgia
 
AuntiE wrote:
When banjo or Mmccarty tell me so, I will concede.


Have they told you yet?

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Jul 2, 2013 16:42:40   #
Lasher Loc: Georgia
 
straightUp wrote:
Personally, I'd rather see my president flying around the world and talking to people about political issues than hiding out on his ranch. As far as I am concerned, it's money better spent.


Don't you mean flying around the world bowing and scraping to petty dictators and tyrants? In Russia, several Russians snubbed Obama and refused to shake hands with him. Also flying around to golf courses and basketball games? Face it, Obama is a disgusting embarrassment to this country, not the scum who voted for him, but the decent folks who didn't even vote for either stooge of the Zionists.

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Jul 2, 2013 17:34:08   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Lasher wrote:
Don't you mean flying around the world bowing and scraping to petty dictators and tyrants? In Russia, several Russians snubbed Obama and refused to shake hands with him.

In light of what's happening in Syria, that isn't surprising - it means that Obama is standing his ground and it pisses the Russians off. I guess you think that's a bad thing.

Lasher wrote:

Also flying around to golf courses and basketball games?

Absolutely! Do you have any idea how much business is accomplished on golf courses and at sporting events? Why do you think our stadiums are being overtaken by corporate boxes?

Here's something else you probably haven't thought of... The president actually has two jobs...

1. Head of Government
2. Head of State.

The British have a much better system, where each job is handled by a different person... the Prime Minister is the head of government, rolls up his sleeves and get's to work while the monarch serves as the Head of State, so special appearances, ceremonies, all that good-will stuff. But unfortunately, our system saddles the president with both jobs.

Throughout human history heads of state have always appeared in extravagant settings and much of it has to do with representing the power or importance of the nation he represents. Cathedrals are a great example of using extravagance to represent importance and as silly as it seems, it DOES have an effect on people. So it makes sense that being head of state still carries that stipulation. If we had a president that insisted on driving his own car and eating out of brown bags to save money, the message he would be sending the rest of the world would be that the USA is poor and incapable - just look at their leader eating P&J sandwiches. How sad.

So excuse me for saying this, but you guys are bitching about something you don't really understand and you're doing it because first and foremost you hate the president... Everything else is subsequent.

Lasher wrote:

Face it, Obama is a disgusting embarrassment to this country, not the scum who voted for him, but the decent folks who didn't even vote for either stooge of the Zionists.

Stooges of the Zionists? Are you being anti-Semitic now?

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Jul 2, 2013 18:22:03   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
straightUp wrote:
In my intro post, I mentioned my feelings about this. I think the nation is far too large for one central government to control. I am something of an anti-federalist in that sense. In fact, the framers of the Constitution originally intended to provide one representative for every 50-60,000 people. That's pretty decent representation. Today, the average size of a district is 700,000 people and growing. That's NOT very good representation. From 1790 to 1910, the number of districts increased every ten years in order to keep up with the increasing population. In 1910 the number of representatives reached 435. In 1929 Congress passed a bill that says the number of representatives will stay at 435 regardless of how large the population gets. That should have been the indication way back then that the country has outgrown it's federal government.

You might want to take a look at this...
http://www.thirty-thousand.org/
In my intro post, I mentioned my feelings about th... (show quote)


I took a look at your suggested thing and couldn't help wondering if any people today really do understand about representative districts. 40 years ago Kansas still had 6 Reprentatives just as they did when I was in high school. They were drawn out in nearly square districts and most people were satisfied but then the Congress came up with the one man, one vote principle and when we hit four representatives to keep the districts even in population the state looked a bit gerrymandered and seemed it had been. I lived the rest of my life in what we call the Big First district and as it grew in geographic size it came to include the west half of the state and then very near the middle (north and south) went meandering toward the northeast. Since it had to continue changing because of it being primarily rural the cities (as we call them) in the central part got shifted back and forth from the 1st to the 2nd. My county got included in one of those shifts and is now in the 4th with a Rep who lives in Wichita which is the biggest city in the state and has a number of union people working in it. I want back in the 1st because the Rep is the best one the state has, of its four.

I am sure that Democrats would say that Kansas has been gerrymandered but I can just hear what those in the northeast would have said if they hadn't become the 2nd district and had had to exist with the rural people of the south, west and north.

There is no better way to do this with the one man, one vote principle but some fool always tries.

Are you wanting to change the whole size of the House into maybe 1500 or more? Is there much sense in building a bigger building for them? Maybe we need to expel all the illegals in the nation to allow the number represented to be smaller.

Naw, many people on the left want only to write a new Constitution because this example of how useless the present one can be shown to be about this one question. I say the document has worked very well up to the progressive era and now those people want to write a new one.

All your good post had nothing at all to do with Obama taking all those females with him to Africa in it but this one by me had nothing to do with the topic either.

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Jul 2, 2013 18:45:27   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
straightUp wrote:
Let me get this straight... You are saying that we spent $1.4 billion just on Michelle Obama in one year... I don't buy it.

Again... You're either going to have to provide some sources or the numbers along with your comments goes in the "I hate Obama" bucket.


Try this source just for kicks. I haven't worked up a hate for Obama, yet, but it is coming, I am sure.

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