Morgan

They most definitely are, especially the military.

Morgan

Good words but I've yet to see that happen.

Morgan

Trump is the King toad in the swamp.

JoyV

>What about the UN Arms Trade Treaty. The negotiations began in 2006 under George W Bush. He refused to sign it unless it excluded small arms. That exclusion never took place. Under the Obama administration negotiations resumed. It was sent to Congress for a vote. Congress voted it down. Obama signed it anyway. It violates the 2nd Amendment (especially due to the inclusion of small arms), as well as bypassing Congress which is not only illegal but unconstitutional. Like the Paris Accords, it requires the US to pay for other countries. President Obama said that all nations “must meet our responsibility to observe and enforce international norms.” But after Obama signed it it still had to be ratified by Congress. It received a bipartisan rejection. So the US never concluded the treaty.

>The Obama administration joined the Paris Accords even though Congress never voted for it. Again bypassing the legislative branch.

>Obama complied with the Ottawa Convention even after Congress rejected it. Obama ordered our military to destroy all land mines including any being deployed anywhere in the world except Korea.

In each of these cases Obama placed international treaties and laws ahead of the United States Constitution!!!! And in each case he usurped powers of the legislative branch.

trucksterbud

As usual, rumi, just trolling the crowd here, and as usual, nothing better to do. You have no idea what a patriot is. What happened to the bash Trump posts..?? Get tired of it....?? Didn't do any good. Couldn't get Trump impeached..??

Morgan

You basing everything on one definition is a very narrow view of the interpretation. That is but one definition and not a very accurate one. Social in its meaning means relating to society or its organization. but in your definition, it does not include all which is untrue. Social programs encompass all programs and organizations it does not only have to include only low income, or only be required to reduce poverty directed toward the vulnerable. A social program IS paid for by the government, whether local, state or federal. The Government organizations are inclusive, your single definition does not refute that.

For these programs NOT to be included, they would have to be privately paid for or run solely by volunteers, which they do do not. The definition of a social program is: Social programs administered by the federal, state, or local government using government funding designed to provide social services, period and all that it encompasses.


The social components for a sustainable society have these essential components:
(1) an economic system that builds productive forces and promotes common prosperity in a steady, sustainable manner.
(2) a political system that supports a vigorous people's democracy focused on implementing the people's political agenda.
(3) a strong, united, and fully sovereign homeland.
(4) resource management policies that promote a flourishing natural environment while meeting the people's economic needs.

Morgan

This is hearsay unless you cite something credible, not to mention it is not detailed enough on what Obama signed> Honestly don't you people eeeeever get tired of talking about Obama and Hillary, if any of this had an inkling of truth why didn't the right impeach him on it...because he was within his presidential rights as Trump has shown us every damn day.


The Ottawa Convention at a Glance

By the Arms Control Association
http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ottawa

Fact Sheets & Briefs

Contact: Daryl Kimball, Executive Director, (202) 463-8270 x107

Updated: January 2018

The Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on Their Destruction, typically referred to as the "Ottawa Convention" or "Mine Ban Treaty," seeks to end the use of anti-personnel landmines (APLs) worldwide. It was opened for signature on December 3, 1997, and it entered into force on March 1, 1999.

As of January 2018, 164 states are party to the treaty, including Palestine. One country, the Marshall Islands, has signed but not ratified it. There are 34 non-signatories, including major powers such as the United States, Russia, and China. Few countries in key regions of tension, namely the Middle East and South Asia, have opted to participate. For more information on signatories and states-parties to the treaty, see: “The Ottawa Convention: Signatories and States-Parties.”

Because of the treaty, international norms have now formed that discourage any country, signatory or not, from using mines. Many non-signatories are in de facto compliance with the Ottawa Convention by refusing to use landmines and committing to voluntary destruction of stockpiles. Non-state armed groups continue to use mines, in particular improvised landmines (improvised explosive devices [IEDs] that meet the definition of banned APLs) in about 10 countries per year. (Millions of mines are estimated to be planted in the ground in 61 countries and disputed areas.

Global APL stockpiles are thought to be around 50 million mines, down from earlier estimates of about 100 million. Some of the countries that suffer the most from the humanitarian impacts of landmines include Afghanistan, Angola, Cambodia, Chad, and Iraq.

The Obama administration undertook a review of its policy towards the Ottawa Convention and in 2014 expressed an intention to eventually accede to the treaty. US policy now bans the production and acquisition of APLs as well use of the weapons outside of the Korean Peninsula.

Prohibitions: States-parties commit to not using, developing, producing, acquiring, retaining, stockpiling, or transferring anti-personnel landmines, which are defined by the treaty as mines "designed to be exploded by the presence, proximity or contact of a person and that will incapacitate, injure or kill one or more persons." APLs that are remotely triggered, such as claymores, are not proscribed, nor are anti-vehicle mines, including those equipped with anti-handling devices, which are designed to protect anti-vehicles mines from being tampered with or moved. The treaty also forbids signatories from assisting or encouraging any other state or party from engaging in the activities outlawed by the treaty.

APL Destruction and Clearance: Each state-party is expected to destroy all APLs stockpiled in arsenals, except those retained for demining training, within four years of becoming bound by the treaty. Collectively, states parties have destroyed more than 50 million stockpiled landmines, with only five states, at most, still to complete destruction. Greece and Ukraine missed their deadlines to complete stockpile destruction.

Within 10 years of its entry into force date, each country is required to destroy all APLs under its jurisdiction and control, including those planted in the soil. A country may request renewable extensions of up to 10 years to complete this clearance task. A majority of participants at a meeting of states-parties or review conference must approve an extension request. Many states have sought and received extensions and more than 25 countries have completed clearance of all mined areas.

Cooperation and Assistance: The treaty calls on any state-party "in a position to do so" to assist other states-parties in aiding mine victims, providing demining assistance, and helping with mine destruction. States-parties are expected to be as helpful as possible in making sure all states-parties have access to equipment, material, and scientific and technological information for implementing the treaty without "undue restrictions."

Transparency: Each state-party is to provide the United Nations with a comprehensive report on the numbers, types, and locations of all APLs under its control as well as the status of all programs for destroying APLs. An initial report is required 180 days after the treaty becomes legally binding for each state-party, and thereafter reports are expected annually by April 30.

Compliance: The treaty did not create an implementation or verification body or outline punitive measures for noncompliance. A state-party may question the compliance of another state-party, and a special meeting of states-parties can be convened to address the allegation. States-parties can establish a fact-finding mission to investigate the alleged noncompliance and, if necessary, call on the state-party in question to address the compliance issue.

Amendment and Withdrawal: Treaty amendments can be proposed, and then approved by two-thirds of all states-parties attending a special amendment conference. A state-party may withdraw from the treaty six months after submitting an instrument of withdrawal, though it will not take effect if the country is engaged in armed conflict.
Also:
The only thing keeping the United States from fully complying with the Ottawa Convention is its insistence that APLs are crucial to the defense of the 38th parallel that separates the South Korea from North Korea. “Even as we take these further steps, the unique circumstances on the Korean Peninsula and our commitment to the defense of the Republic of Korea preclude us from changing our anti-personnel landmine policy there at this time,” National Security Council spokesperson Caitlin Hayden said in a statement.

One more thing you were wrong according to this negotiations began in 1997 and that would be Clinton.

Morgan

You know, screw you Joy, another attempt from the right to twist someone's words, well... two can play at that game.

What I said I wish were true went to your comment:

quote: What I suggest is check everything a president does against the constitution.
and...
"if he signs a treaty to abide by international laws which are unconstitutional and violates our Bill of Rights, vote him out as fast as you can!"

So nice twist...


They didn't alienate themselves, the right does this with everyone who doesn't line up with them, they always do just what they accuse others of doing. You guys have gone against your own party members by calling them RINO's. Your own words {" As too many are RINOs and have either opposed Trump or at least dragged their heels."} That clearly is loyalty to a man and not a country. You go against other Americans and are so far gone you're willing to take up arms against them rather than to find any kind of compromise, because, your party... don't... compromise. message received.

BTW did you notice in the article it states... There are 34 non-signatories, including major powers such as the United States, Russia, and China.

Morgan

Social services defined as: are a range of public services provided by the government, private, profit and non-profit organizations. These public services aim to create more effective organizations, build stronger communities, and promote equality and opportunity.

Social services include the benefits and facilities such as education, food subsidies, health care, police, fire service, job training and subsidized housing, adoption, community management, policy research, military, and lobbying.
I think you are still misunderstanding where I'm coming from, do you understand why "social" and things which connect with it are not to be feared. Though we can fear people manipulating us, and using that fear to do it. Rest assured we will not fall to socialism unless our government fails. Nor will we lose our guns, they accused Obama of that for eight years, it never came close, all it did was spur on gun and ammo sales...hmmm?

Morgan

I also never wished for anything, what I said was what you spoke of with your party I have not seen happen yet, and Obama never did anything Constitutionally illegal, and for you to stand there on that premise after Trump, you have some gall and a huge hypocrite.

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

Please, explain how so...

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

Wiki is a terrible source for research. In fact, most schools at the high school level, let alone the university level, do not allow them as a research tool. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social%20service

Oh I have a pretty good idea where you’re coming from, I simply disagree with you. If “social” and things connected to it are privately funded, I have no fear.

Disagree, an ignorant electorate can vote for it.

Disagree again, an ignorant electorate can vote for it. In fact, legislation has already been attempted to repeal the second amendment.

It didn’t come close, only because the Congress rejected them, in eight years, he only passed two laws pertaining to guns, that speaks more to his ineptness. I do agree that Obama was the best thing to happen for gun/ammo sales, his rhetoric was better than any advertising agency could ever come up with.

JoyV

"Social in its meaning means relating to society or its organization." That would make virtually any human activity and ALL human organizations, socialist. Even despicable organization like the KKK and Antifa would qualify under your definition.

Mirriam Webster
Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Cambridge English Dictionary
Socialism definition
any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production

Dictionary.com
definition of socialism
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Webster College Dictionary
Socialism definition
Socialism is defined as an economic theory, system or movement where the production and distribution of goods is done, owned and shared by the citizens of a society.
1-any of various theories or systems of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or the community sharing in the work and the products
2-[oftenS-]
*a political movement for establishing such a system
*the doctrines, methods, etc. of the Socialist parties
3-in Marxist doctrine, the stage of society coming between the capitalist and the communist stages

So do all these well respected dictionaries miss the mark?

The characteristics of socialism according to: http://www.studylecturenotes.com/management-sciences/economics/381-characteristics-of-socialism
*Public Ownership
*Planned Economy
*Classes of Society
*State is responsible for basic necessities of life
*Equal Opportunity to all
*Non-existence of competition and limited choice of consumer products
*Pricing Mechanism

According to: http://www.economicsdiscussion.net/economy/socialist-economy-meaning-and-features-of-socialist-economy/2070
(i) Collective Ownership: In socialism, all means of production are owned by the community, i.e., Government, and no individual can hold private property beyond certain limit. Therefore, it is government who utilises these resources in the interest of social welfare.
(ii) Economic, Social and Political Equality:
Under socialism, there is almost equality between rich and poor. There is no problem of class strugg
(iii) Economic Planning:
Under socialism, government fixes certain objectives. In order to achieve these objectives, government adopts economic planning. All types of decisions regarding the central problems of an economy are taken in the economic plans. There is a Central Planning Authority, who plans for the economy.
(iv) No Competition:

Unlike capitalistic economy, there is no cut throat competition. It means lack of competition as state is the sole entrepreneur.

(v) Positive Role of Government:

In socialism, government plays significant role in decision making. Thus, government has complete control over economic activities like distribution, exchange, consumption, investment and foreign trade etc.
(vi) Work and Wages According to Ability and Needs:
In socialistic economy, work is according to ability and wage according to need. It is said that under socialism “from each according to his ability to each according to his needs, is socialism.”
(vi) Maximum Social Welfare:
The sole objective of socialism is the maximum social welfare of the society. It means that there is no scope of exploitation of labour class. Government keeps a close eye on the needs of the poor masses while formulating plans. {by the way, positive in this aspect does not mean good but rather that a scale of government involvement. Positive government involvement vs negative government involvement where government takes a hands off approach}

Volunteer Fire Departments often receive significant funding from corporate sources, IF those running the department's funding will just reach out and ask. Community charity fund raising is common in many rural communities. And charity organizations (and despite your definition, charities are NOT socialist). Another source is funds the local community glean from lotteries. Lotteries are NOT taxes!!!! And yes, many apply for FEMA grants which is taxpayer funded. So even with your broad characteristic that anything funded by the government is socialist (which I disagree with according to many sources of socialism definitions), a volunteer fire department would not qualify. And many communities, especially rural; have ONLY volunteer fire departments!

In your list of characteristics, some involve control of the individual yet you also say they are fully sovereign. These are opposites!!!!

Also, your characteristics sound great in writing, but where have they ever been accomplished? While the success of capitalism has many examples. Including pre-socialist Venezuela!

JoyV

Not credible?

The Constitution provides that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur" (Article II, section 2).

The Senate never gave its consent. In fact;
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/114th-congress/senate-amendment/649
Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) introduced an amendment that would prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty in order to uphold the Second Amendment. His amendment passed on a 53-46 vote.

On Sept 15, 2013, the US signed the UN Arms Trade Treaty. John Kerry did the actual signing for the Obama administration. Do you dispute this? (see photo)

And at least 50 Senators went on record soon after Kerry’s action by sending the White House a bipartisan letter stating they would not sign the pact, leaving it to stagnate in the State Department.

Is this credible enough for you?

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

It is for me!

Morgan should just quit while you’re ahead.