JoyV

Never party before country for the conservative voters! Not even for the Republican Senate. As too many are RINOs and have either opposed Trump or at least dragged their heels. Many are every bit as much swamp dwelling elite as the Democratic elite are. What I suggest is check everything a president does against the constitution. If he is following it, even if we didn't like where it was leading; then we conservatives will stand firmly behind him. But if he signs a treaty to abide by international laws which are unconstitutional and violates our Bill of Rights, vote him out as fast as you can!

Morgan

Now whose cherry picking...the fire dept, police dept, the US post office, schools, the military, dot, libraries, parks on an on, they are paid with taxpayer monies and distributed, whether it is local, state or federal it doesn't matter, it is socialistic and a good thing not a bad. It saves the people money, it is for the welfare of community and country. It is up to us to keep the finance end of it in check, which we have not been doing.

Morgan

There are reasons why they oppose him but Trumpers don't want to hear it so they've alienated them, perfect, very reasonable don't you think? Just international laws what about domestic law? I wish what you say is true but I'm not seeing it, what I do see is the continued obstruction.

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

Sorry Joy, I missed this comment of yours. Thank you. And very true, I mentioned that to Morgan because I cannot stand hearing that nonsense, which is easily reduced to a meme. It’s simply untrue that those services are socialistic in any way.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

That makes two of us then...

son of witless

Trump can never be part of the swamp because once his eight years are up he is gone. The trouble with DC politicians, even Republicans, their goal is a long career in DC which makes them swampers.

JoyV

A fire department does not qualify as a social program. The definition of a social program is: Social program refers to a program administered by the federal, state, or local government using government funding designed to provide social services directed at reducing poverty, improving opportunities for low-income adults or children, self-sufficiency, rehabilitation, or other services directed toward vulnerable citizens.

A fire department serves the entire community both rich and poor. Its goal is not to improve the lives of the needy but to save the lives and property of any in their jurisdiction!

It is similar for most, if not all, on your list.

JoyV

They alienated themselves well before Trump came on the scene.

You WISH what I said was true? Are you saying you would be in favor of international laws superseding our constitution? Have you ever heard of the UN ATT (Arms Trade Treaty)? The stated purpose of the treaty was to regulate trade in conventional arms to stop illicit diversion by requiring member nations to file reports measuring the country’s imports and exports of small arms. George W Bush was in favor of it IF it exempted firearms, but it was voted down in Congress. However, dictatorships such as China, Iran, and Syria are not signatories. The agreement, signed in 2015 by then-Secretary of State John Kerry on behalf of the Obama administration, was deeply controversial, as a bipartisan coalition of 57 senators opposed the treaty. It included small arms, AND like the Paris Accords, we would be paying for many other countries. Now here is the clincher. When Trump pulled out of the treaty, it had still not passed congress. The Obama administration signed on and promised funding WITHOUT Congressional approval or oversight. So not only was the treaty unconstitutional due to the violation of the 2nd amendment, it violated Article I enumerate power.

Congress has authority over financial and budgetary matters, through the enumerated power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.

rumitoid

Watch CSI, Law and Order, or any show like it and you will clearly see the Conservative view on the Constitution. You will express it as you watch. Or go to the movies and listen to the audience openly bemoan a prisoner's release on a technicality. This same thing happens in real life all the time. The bad guy gets off on a technicality (the Constitution) and they are pissed, ready to do WHATEVER is necessary (ignore or defy the Constitution) to put him behind bars. See Dirty Harry. Conservatives see Judges that follow the Constitution as Liberals.

Eleven GOP controlled states have been reprimanded for their illegal and unethical gerrymandering, their racist maps invalidated. They all violated the Constitution for political advantage at the sake of minorities and our democratic process. A new form of Jim Crow Laws. Such prejudice, and blatant prejudice, has been outlawed.

tactful Loc: just North of the District of LMAO

good anology and info.
may we know how this relates to patriots?

rumitoid

I thought it was obvious. Patriotic Americans support, not bemoan, Constitutional law "technicalities." GOP gerrymandering violates civil liberties guaranteed by the Constitution; not the act of a patriot.

tactful Loc: just North of the District of LMAO

gotcha,the sarcasm thing 😳
ya see but you don't! 🙄
careful facts confuse sometimes. 😊

rumitoid

I agree. Where did I get confused? Like to know.

JoyV

Gerrymandering is not in the Constitution. Nor is most of the soft on crime laws. The Miranda rights were BASED on the V Amendment, but are not part of our constitution. Nor are rehabilitation priorities over safely keeping a dangerous predator away from society, part of our constitution.

But as to what protections a criminal has in the U S Constitution, they are:

*Constitutional Amendment IV – The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

*Constitutional Amendment VI – In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense. The prosecutor who brings a case against a criminal cannot file extension requests to just keep the criminal in prison for an extended time.

*Constitutional Amendment VII – In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

*Constitutional Amendment VIII — Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

You can be in favor of being tough on crime yet find all of the above reasonable based on our core belief that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. You shouldn't look at these rights as criminal rights but as citizen rights. If someone is falsely charged or there is a mistaken identity, without certain rights you would have no recourse to being automatically guilty.

This does not mean I blindly accept every amendment. The XVIII Amendment (Prohibition) was widely acknowledged to be a bad amendment for instance. But The Articles and Bill of Rights, which were ratified together, should be untouchable in my opinion. All of the amendments I listed are in the Bill of Rights. Our founders didn't want our government to ever be allowed do some of the despicable things to the citizens that England had done to it's colonial citizens. Hence these amendments.

tactful Loc: just North of the District of LMAO

Not you, : ]