Smedley_buzkill

The facts are that murders were trending down when the ban was implemented, and continued trending down throughout the course of the ban. There is no variation or change to speak of. The reason for this can be found in an example; 2016 firearms murders. (This happened to be the first one I accessed, but it is typical. Out of 11,004 firearms murders, 374 were committed with rifles of ALL types, NOT just semi-autos. That is a little over 3%. For the past ten years, according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report more people have been killed every one of those years with knives than with "assault rifles." More have been beaten to death with a bludgeon than have died from "assault rifles." If you REALLY wanted to do some good you would ban kitchen knives and baseball bats.
https://www.dailypress.com/news/crime/dp-nws-assault-rifles-handgun-violence-20180312-story.html

The reason why the bans won't work is that despite the publicity, every year only about 3%-5% of gun murders are done with the firearms that are proposed to be banned.
Any talk of criminal penalties for refusal to "turn in" any handguns is unconstitutional, because it would be an ex post facto law. In 2014, in Texas, there were 497 convictions for murder and manslaughter. ONE was a permit holder. In my own state of GA over a million carry permits have been issued. Something like 200 permit holders have been involved in gun crimes.
According to the FBI, the average gun recovered from a criminal is stolen and several years old. No gun control in the world will stop that other than a ban that will not happen. You cannot deprive law abiding people of a basic right, because a fraction of one percent of gun owners are criminals.
You cannot enforce criminal penalties against people who did something that was legal when they did it.
No gun ban is going to happen.

Smedley_buzkill

Do you know the difference between an extended magazine and a standard magazine? It is usually 3 to 5 rounds.
One more time, even an unskilled shooter with just a little practice can change out magazines in around 3 seconds. Do you actually think those 3 to 5 extra rounds make any difference when the shooting is occurring in a gun free zone where no one can fight back effectively?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Gee, by your figures we save 3 to 5% of the lives now lost to mass shootings..

are you sure you wish to stand on those figures??/

but it is of no value to debate the Clinton ban, it is long gone and will never ever be reinstated..

In the short search i did , about a half dozen different interpretations of the same data you looked at..

So we could on for a week or so.. but what is the point.. history... it long gone, not to return..

Better to put effort into finding something workable.. however small that step would be..

I have posted the only two items that I feel are workable. while I personally would like to see military style knock offs banned, never going to happen..

when thing effect the vote, we will never get those guys mucking up the hill to stand for it..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I do not think so..

ONe of the guns in our house came with a 10 round magazine.. I now has 3 30 round magazine to round it out..so I would think a quick look via "Cheaper then Dirt" or any other sports suppler would provide plenty of magazine sizes.. I have seen ads for 100 round mags who would want them, I have no clue..

I think that you look at your own skills and think as you say "anyone" can learn to do it..

As reports say, seems that is not true.. a number, small, but moms think it is great when a child survives, got out when the shooter had to change magazines and those few seconds gave them the chance..

So a few more period s of a few seconds would be good. In my opinion..

If the extended mags were not an advantage, at least in the eye of the shooter, why would so many shooters use them?

By the way, Minnesota is an open carry state and even some of my grand kids have a CCP so I do know a bit about it even at this so called geezer age..

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Jerry Miculek and his revolvers.

Jerry Miculek- World record 8 shots in 1 second & 12 shot reload!
Jerry Miculek 1999 World Record

Smedley_buzkill

I was referring to the "extended" magazines used by the VA shooter. He used a handgun.
In the Army we were taught to never load our mags to capacity. I would much rather use a 20 than a 30 round mag in a civilian rifle because they are less likely to give me problems.
I can change a magazine a good bit faster than three seconds, but I have years of practice. When I said unskilled I meant it. Most people can be trained to change out mags in 3 seconds or so fairly fast.

teabag09

Woody, you and I finally agree on something. Very well thought out and stated. Besides who would take said guns from an armed citizenry without more people getting killed. I know that personally I'm not giving up my legal guns without a fight.

There are more than enough gun laws on the books with many not being enforced and with criminals being wrist slapped and returned to the streets. Mike

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

We have fast and then we have real fast... wow...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Up to a point, I think you are right...

we never told to use partial loaded mags on our rifles.. do not recall that was even addressed with hand guns..

but I would say most people could be expected to do a bit of fumbling in midst of killing a bunch when trying to change any size magazine..

I find the really large capacity clumsy.. but I have only a little experience with them..

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

What a great meme!

Mikeyavelli

My guns are semiautomatic, and quick semiautomatic when I use them.
Why is it that the lefties want me to give up my guns when someone else shoots up a school or something?
In London, that Great City of Diversity, there has been a rise in knife killings.
Should Londoners then cut their tough European steaks with a fork?
Get a better weapon than guns and then guns will disappear, like the horse and buggy.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Sounds good. Round up all those responsible for these mass slayings and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. Just one question: How do these semi-automatic weapons get to be responsible for anything? Did they just suddenly 'rise up' and begin spraying bullets at defenseless school children all on their own, or was a sentient finger on that trigger causing the bullets to be expended?

Classic 'gun-grabber' mentality. Ignore the problem and take aim at the tool.

Mikeyavelli

I just checked. All my guns are here with me, but if I ever catch them going out on their own and shooting people I'll just have to take away their clips and ammo.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I like to promote my best work..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

If you read carefully, you will see that is not true that all lefties want to remove guns..

Most are like myself, I own a lot of guns, no one will be taking my guns and I want no one to take yours..

But I would like to make some progress on these killings and all we do is repeat the same old bs to each other..

We should be able to make progress on the problem without compromising our constitutional rights of #2...

Better weapon then guns.. kind of a challenge..