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Jun 2, 2019 13:28:46   #
Carol Kelly
 
JFlorio wrote:
Tariffs do hit the consumer in the pocket book, but not nearly as bad as the talking heads in the MSM or the globalists in the govt. would have you believe. Unfortunately poor policies passed by both sides of the aisle, have taken advantage of the American worker and made other countries stronger, while making our own trade deficit grow and costing us jobs at the same time. How do we level the playing field? The field has been slanted towards other countries forever so to level that field Trump has very few ways. Tariffs is the most effective available.
Yea but it makes all the goods we buy much more expensive. not necessarily. Let's say Mexico sells us widgets for $10.00 a piece and Trump slaps a 25% tariff on that widget. Depending on the necessity to Americans of said widget there's a good chance consumers won't bye it. Which means the people in our country who import the widget to sell to consumers will no longer buy said widget at $10.00 because they can't sell it in the states for $12.50. So what is more subject to happen is the widget maker will lower his price to say $8.00 so the added tariff doesn't raise prices to high and he can still export said widget. The tariffs definitely hurt the country they are being put on much more than the American consumer.
Tariffs do hit the consumer in the pocket book, bu... (show quote)


My answer, NO. HIS METHODS benefit us. Accept it.

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Jun 2, 2019 13:30:28   #
Carol Kelly
 
jimpack123 wrote:
but the company can only go so low then it is the customers that end up paying for it . China will take there time making a deal and the American consumer will foot the bill and remember it in November of 2020 just as the women's vote will remember the push to limit abortions and will be reminded about it though November of 2020. My prediction is bye bye Trump


He has our votes in 2020! KEEP AMERICA GREAT

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Jun 2, 2019 13:33:46   #
debeda
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
He has our votes in 2020! KEEP AMERICA GREAT


Preach it, sister

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Jun 2, 2019 13:41:07   #
JoyV
 
jimpack123 wrote:
One thing Mr. ED I am all for tightening of abortions but 8 weeks sounds to extreme and if the woman was raped there should be a way to end the pregnancy. but it is the women's body and it still should be there choice


I agree that if the woman was raped it wasn't her choice to get pregnant. But otherwise she DID make a choice. She made her choice when she chose not to prevent getting pregnant!!!! Once another life is in the balance, changing her mind after the consequences of her choice hits home should not take precedence over a living being. She still has the choice not to raise the child through adoption. And unlike at the time the pro-abortion law created, having a child out of wedlock is not the devastation to the rest of her and her child's life it once was.

And when you say, "end the pregnancy", remember it is not simply a condition of her body. It is not something she chooses because it is her body and has no direct effect on anyone else such as breast augmentation, facelift, or liposuction. This involves the execution of an innocent being with a brain, heart, pain sensation, etc. In other words, it isn't just HER body. Her and the baby co-inhabit her body. It is analogous to sharing a life raft.

It is the height of hypocrisy that while the left wants no protection for a human before birth (and sometimes after birth in post-birth abortions), they have fought hard to institute harsh penalties for harming the unborn of other species. There can be fines and even prison terms for the harming of eggs of many fish, reptiles, and birds. Animal rights groups are pushing for laws, like what have been passed in the EU, which makes it murder to harm a sentient non human life. The definition of sentient is the ability to perceive or feel things. Since human unborn reacts to pain as early as 8 weeks, by that time they can definitely be confirmed as sentient beings.

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Jun 2, 2019 13:48:18   #
debeda
 
JoyV wrote:
I agree that if the woman was raped it wasn't her choice to get pregnant. But otherwise she DID make a choice. She made her choice when she chose not to prevent getting pregnant!!!! Once another life is in the balance, changing her mind after the consequences of her choice hits home should not take precedence over a living being. She still has the choice not to raise the child through adoption. And unlike at the time the pro-abortion law created, having a child out of wedlock is not the devastation to the rest of her and her child's life it once was.

And when you say, "end the pregnancy", remember it is not simply a condition of her body. It is not something she chooses because it is her body and has no direct effect on anyone else such as breast augmentation, facelift, or liposuction. This involves the execution of an innocent being with a brain, heart, pain sensation, etc. In other words, it isn't just HER body. Her and the baby co-inhabit her body. It is analogous to sharing a life raft.

It is the height of hypocrisy that while the left wants no protection for a human before birth (and sometimes after birth in post-birth abortions), they have fought hard to institute harsh penalties for harming the unborn of other species. There can be fines and even prison terms for the harming of eggs of many fish, reptiles, and birds. Animal rights groups are pushing for laws, like what have been passed in the EU, which makes it murder to harm a sentient non human life. The definition of sentient is the ability to perceive or feel things. Since human unborn reacts to pain as early as 8 weeks, by that time they can definitely be confirmed as sentient beings.
I agree that if the woman was raped it wasn't her ... (show quote)


TERRIFIC post, JoyV

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Jun 2, 2019 15:36:01   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
jimpack123 wrote:
but the company can only go so low then it is the customers that end up paying for it.

Do you plan on holding a gun to their heads to force them to purchase said widget? No? Of course not, because we're also armed and ready to defend our God-given right to say 'no'. So said widget sits on the shelf at $12.50 while an American company - not backed by a socialist government - sells all they can make at $11.

jimpack123 wrote:
China will take there time making a deal

That will be their loss and don't think they don't know it.

jimpack123 wrote:
and the American consumer will foot the bill

Again, nope. That's not what tariffs are for. When a tariff is applied, said widget sits on the shelf while an American company - not backed by a socialist government - sells all they can make at whatever price will clear the market.

Why do you let these idiots on CNN and MSNBC into your home and subsequently into your head? Understand this; nobody is forced to 'foot the bill' because nobody is forced to pay for the imported goods when there are perfectly good, affordable substitutes sitting right there just waiting for purchase.


jimpack123 wrote:
and remember it in November of 2020

Yes, they will, and they will vote in their millions, just like they did in 2016. Only this time it won't be because the alternative was a nightmare, but to say a big 'thank you', for keeping his word, against unbelievable opposition and resistance.


jimpack123 wrote:
just as the women's vote will remember the push to limit abortions and will be reminded about it though November of 2020.

I think you overestimate the influence of the abortion lobby over the women's voting block. All, and I do mean all, of the women I have spoken to about the legality of abortion see it as a non-issue. I know at least one who risked her life to give birth to a wonderful young man, and her husband went to great lengths to see to it that she was cared for in the best possible way in support of her morally upstanding decision.

jimpack123 wrote:
My prediction is bye bye Trump

Your crystal ball is broken. Or is it a cracked mirror you are using? Maybe you're still butt-hurt after the trouncing he gave Hillary in 2016 and you feel the need to make yourself 'feel' better by making pie-in-the-sky predictions.

Whatever the basis, know this - nobody cares what you predict.

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Jun 2, 2019 16:06:10   #
debeda
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Your crystal ball is broken. Or is it a cracked mirror you are using? Maybe you're still butt-hurt after the trouncing he gave Hillary in 2016 and you feel the need to make yourself 'feel' better by making pie-in-the-sky predictions.

Whatever the basis, know this - nobody cares what you predict.



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Jun 2, 2019 16:08:31   #
dongreen76
 
JFlorio wrote:
Tariffs do hit the consumer in the pocket book, but not nearly as bad as the talking heads in the MSM or the globalists in the govt. would have you believe. Unfortunately poor policies passed by both sides of the aisle, have taken advantage of the American worker and made other countries stronger, while making our own trade deficit grow and costing us jobs at the same time. How do we level the playing field? The field has been slanted towards other countries forever so to level that field Trump has very few ways. Tariffs is the most effective available.
Yea but it makes all the goods we buy much more expensive. not necessarily. Let's say Mexico sells us widgets for $10.00 a piece and Trump slaps a 25% tariff on that widget. Depending on the necessity to Americans of said widget there's a good chance consumers won't bye it. Which means the people in our country who import the widget to sell to consumers will no longer buy said widget at $10.00 because they can't sell it in the states for $12.50. So what is more subject to happen is the widget maker will lower his price to say $8.00 so the added tariff doesn't raise prices to high and he can still export said widget. The tariffs definitely hurt the country they are being put on much more than the American consumer.
Tariffs do hit the consumer in the pocket book, bu... (show quote)


This is probably somewhat true.What brings about the trade disparity is our exports are more difficult to afford . American businesses have the greater overheads.Our exports prices can not be dropped to accomodate a lowering of prices because it would prove to be disingenuous to the reason business is in business in the first place.They, on the other hand ,overheads are much, much ,smaller than ours,therefore that gives them the advantage of selling at a lower cost,when they sell at a lower cost, inherently people will buy the cheaper product.Hence,producing a trade deficit,more incoming than out going.The raising of our tariffs on their imports to this country will not eliminate the problem,nor will help the American consumer ,because -1-the higher tariffs imposed by our government goes to the government,(which is not that much due to the fact because of an exchange and a conversion of their monetary denomination -say like the peso or the yang does not have the value of the dollar.)This particular senario is the same scenario that is synonymous with the initial problem.Break the problem down in it's succincts fundamentals, state it-What are you trying to do when you raise your tariffs,you are trying to eliminate the disparity in the trade deficit,trying to induce them into buying more of our product, (they cannot do that ,due to the difference in value of each countries monetary denomination.)Therefore going up on import tariffs will lessen the amount of product that will be imported into the country,the higher the price of the product the less you sell.The less you sell,the less trade you have.This would be totally disingenuous to the solution of eliminating the trade deficit.
(business 101) business 101 also states there are five different factors that any good business knows as to how to have a successful business.The competition factors is one of them -this is the factor that you have to know to deal with your competitors.One of those ways to compete with your competitor is the price of your product as compared to his.In order to surpass him in the selling of your product,Ideally you would prefer to undercut him by making sure your product is cheaper than his,therefore you will inherently sell the most product,selling more product means have greater trade.The less of their product imported into this country,could only accomplish two things ,no transaction at all,or buying an American product which is generally higher-just as you contend, it hurts the American consumer in his wallet.

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Jun 2, 2019 16:28:34   #
Radiance3
 
JFlorio wrote:
Tariffs do hit the consumer in the pocket book, but not nearly as bad as the talking heads in the MSM or the globalists in the govt. would have you believe. Unfortunately poor policies passed by both sides of the aisle, have taken advantage of the American worker and made other countries stronger, while making our own trade deficit grow and costing us jobs at the same time. How do we level the playing field? The field has been slanted towards other countries forever so to level that field Trump has very few ways. Tariffs is the most effective available.
Yea but it makes all the goods we buy much more expensive. not necessarily. Let's say Mexico sells us widgets for $10.00 a piece and Trump slaps a 25% tariff on that widget. Depending on the necessity to Americans of said widget there's a good chance consumers won't bye it. Which means the people in our country who import the widget to sell to consumers will no longer buy said widget at $10.00 because they can't sell it in the states for $12.50. So what is more subject to happen is the widget maker will lower his price to say $8.00 so the added tariff doesn't raise prices to high and he can still export said widget. The tariffs definitely hurt the country they are being put on much more than the American consumer.
Tariffs do hit the consumer in the pocket book, bu... (show quote)


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ANS. On the negative point of view, US consumers pay added cost due to the tariff impost.

However, here are the positive effects that could happen with the tariff impost to China or other countries:
1. We gain the added percent of tariff,{ E.g. 25%) of the price goes back to our Treasury.
2. Foreign factories slow down with high cost of exports. Therefore US companies move back home. When factories or manufacturing jobs come home to the US, giving more jobs for the people. When more people work, they pay federal taxes, and less dependency to the government.
3. Discourage buyers from buying imported goods, instead buy our US products, which are of better quality.
4. Thus, reducing our imports, and therefore we could balance our trade with China or other countries.

WE just have to be a little patient, and discipline ourselves, until we realize tariffs positive effects for our people and our country.

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Jun 2, 2019 16:41:52   #
debeda
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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ANS. On the negative point of view, US consumers pay added cost due to the tariff impost.

However, here are the positive effects that could happen with the tariff impost to China or other countries:
1. We gain the added percent of tariff,{ E.g. 25%) of the price goes back to our Treasury.
2. Foreign factories slow down with high cost of exports. Therefore US companies move back home. When factories or manufacturing jobs come home to the US, giving more jobs for the people. When more people work, they pay federal taxes, and less dependency to the government.
3. Discourage buyers from buying imported goods, instead buy our US products, which are of better quality.
4. Thus, reducing our imports, and therefore we could balance our trade with China or other countries.

WE just have to be a little patient, and discipline ourselves, until we realize tariffs positive effects for our people and our country.
================= br color=blue ANS. On the negat... (show quote)



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Jun 2, 2019 17:17:03   #
JoyV
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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ANS. On the negative point of view, US consumers pay added cost due to the tariff impost.

However, here are the positive effects that could happen with the tariff impost to China or other countries:
1. We gain the added percent of tariff,{ E.g. 25%) of the price goes back to our Treasury.
2. Foreign factories slow down with high cost of exports. Therefore US companies move back home. When factories or manufacturing jobs come home to the US, giving more jobs for the people. When more people work, they pay federal taxes, and less dependency to the government.
3. Discourage buyers from buying imported goods, instead buy our US products, which are of better quality.
4. Thus, reducing our imports, and therefore we could balance our trade with China or other countries.

WE just have to be a little patient, and discipline ourselves, until we realize tariffs positive effects for our people and our country.
================= br color=blue ANS. On the negat... (show quote)


Well put!!!!

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Jun 2, 2019 20:33:28   #
dongreen76
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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ANS. On the negative point of view, US consumers pay added cost due to the tariff impost.

However, here are the positive effects that could happen with the tariff impost to China or other countries:
1. We gain the added percent of tariff,{ E.g. 25%) of the price goes back to our Treasury.
2. Foreign factories slow down with high cost of exports. Therefore US companies move back home. When factories or manufacturing jobs come home to the US, giving more jobs for the people. When more people work, they pay federal taxes, and less dependency to the government.
3. Discourage buyers from buying imported goods, instead buy our US products, which are of better quality.
4. Thus, reducing our imports, and therefore we could balance our trade with China or other countries.

WE just have to be a little patient, and discipline ourselves, until we realize tariffs positive effects for our people and our country.
================= br color=blue ANS. On the negat... (show quote)


Holding down taxes is not the incentive business has to be in business,turning a profit is.The bigger the profit the better.The only inducement great enough to make business come back home ,would be to raise the tariffs so high so as to establish a equality of the profit that they make by relocating over seas, and that ain't about to happen. You can't do that by raising taxes-tariffs or any kind of other taxes for that matter.Businesses make their money by selling their product or service,holding taxes down is merely icing on the cake, and the most it does is provide enough money to give it's CEO Christmas bonuses.If foreign factories slow down imports,the consumer will find another market to purchase from or will not purchase at all,as said before.It might slow them down,but not enough to effect the in balance of trade to solve the trade deficit problem.The difference in the cost of a foreign made product and an American made product is so prominent,people will still elect to purchase the foreign made product which will still remain somewhat cheaper.The government gains from the 25%,increase,the American businesses,and consumer does not,not only that,you have to convert 50,000 peso's or yuangs in order to yield one American dollar so not even the government will gain that much(that's an exaggeration) but just to give you an idea.The only way to eliminate the trade deficit is to have one world currency of equal value,or either devalue the dollar bill, so that it is consistent with the value of China's or whomever.

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Jun 2, 2019 20:41:02   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
jimpack123 wrote:
but the company can only go so low then it is the customers that end up paying for it . China will take there time making a deal and the American consumer will foot the bill and remember it in November of 2020 just as the women's vote will remember the push to limit abortions and will be reminded about it though November of 2020. My prediction is bye bye Trump


Your prediction is wrong! Hahahaha

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Jun 2, 2019 20:42:58   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
dongreen76 wrote:
Holding down taxes is not the incentive business has to be in business,turning a profit is.The bigger the profit the better.The only inducement great enough to make business come back home ,would be to raise the tariffs so high so as to establish a equality of the profit that they make by relocating over seas, and that ain't about to happen. You can't do that by raising taxes-tariffs or any kind of other taxes for that matter.Businesses make their money by selling their product or service,holding taxes down is merely icing on the cake, and the most it does is provide enough money to give it's CEO Christmas bonuses.If foreign factories slow down imports,the consumer will find another market to purchase from or will not purchase at all,as said before.It might slow them down,but not enough to effect the in balance of trade to solve the trade deficit problem.The difference in the cost of a foreign made product and an American made product is so prominent,people will still elect to purchase the foreign made product which will still remain somewhat cheaper.The government gains from the 25%,increase,the American businesses,and consumer does not,not only that,you have to convert 50,000 peso's or yuangs in order to yield one American dollar so not even the government will gain that much(that's an exaggeration) but just to give you an idea.The only way to eliminate the trade deficit is to have one world currency of equal value,or either devalue the dollar bill, so that it is consistent with the value of China's or whomever.
Holding down taxes is not the incentive business h... (show quote)


One World currency........um....yeah......

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Jun 2, 2019 21:13:57   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
archie bunker wrote:
One World currency........um....yeah......


He sure runs off at the mouth to tell us he’s a globalist. What a shock.

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