Sew_What

Simple question, and someone has already brought this up, the electoral college is utilized to select a president, and disposes votes that are less than 50%, why is that ok when a Republican is elected, but not the other way around?

Since the president has checks and balances in place (even though, it seems like every Republican has done everything to remove that), the electoral college is unnecessary. I personally think that Trump would have won the popular vote, I think it assured Trump voters in atypical Democratic districts that their vote wouldn't count, hence why I keep saying 49%.

They don't even want everyone to show up on voting day, everyone acts like they do, but look at where early voting is allowed...it's a bigger mess every year. So yea, I WANT TO SCRAP THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, IT'S WASTE OF MONEY AND DILUTES OR ELIMINATES VOTES. WHY DO YOU WANT THAT? IT MAKES NOT SENSE.

"Whatever be the Constitution, great care must be taken to provide a mode of amendment when experience or change of circumstances shall have manifested that any part of it is unadapted to the good of the nation. In some of our States it requires a new authority from the whole people, acting by their representatives, chosen for this express purpose, and assembled in convention. This is found too difficult for remedying the imperfections which experience develops from time to time in an organization of the first impression. A greater facility of ammendment is certainly requisite to maintain it in a course of action accommodated to the times and changes through which we are ever passing." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:488
"Time and changes in the condition and constitution of society may require occasional and corresponding modifications." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Livingston, 1825. ME 16:113

"Nothing is more likely than that [the] enumeration of powers is defective. This is the ordinary case of all human works. Let us then go on perfecting it by adding by way of amendment to the Constitution those powers which time and trial show are still wanting." --Thomas Jefferson to Wilson Nicholas, 1803. ME 10:419

"Though we may say with confidence, that the worst of the American constitutions is better than the best which ever existed before in any other country, and that they are wonderfully perfect for a first essay, yet every human essay must have defects. It will remain, therefore, to those now coming on the stage of public affairs, to perfect what has been so well begun by those going off it." --Thomas Jefferson to T. M. Randolph, Jr., 1787. ME 6:165

"We must be contented to travel on towards perfection, step by step. We must be contented with the ground which [the new] Constitution will gain for us, and hope that a favorable moment will come for correcting what is amiss in it." --Thomas Jefferson to the Count de Moustier, 1788. ME 7:13

"To secure the ground we gain, and gain what more we can, is, I think, the wisest course." --Thomas Jefferson to George Mason, 1790. ME 8:35

"Our government wanted bracing. Still, we must take care not to run from one extreme to another; not to brace too high." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Rutledge, 1788. ME 7:81

"This peaceable and legitimate resource [i.e., amendment], to which we are in the habit of implicit obedience, superseding all appeal to force and being always within our reach, shows a precious principle of self-preservation in our composition, till a change of circumstances shall take place, which is not within prospect at any definite period." --Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Priestley, 1801. ME 10:230

16.1 The Right to Change a Constitution
"We have always a right to correct ancient errors and to establish what is more conformable to reason and convenience." -- Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1801. FE 8:82

"We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:41

"[The European] monarchs instead of wisely yielding to the gradual change of circumstances, of favoring progressive accommodation to progressive improvement, have clung to old abuses, entrenched themselves behind steady habits and obliged their subjects to seek through blood and violence rash and ruinous innovations which, had they been referred to the peaceful deliberations and collected wisdom of the nation, would have been put into acceptable and salutary forms. Let us follow no such examples nor weakly believe that one generation is not as capable as another of taking care of itself and of ordering its own affairs. Let us... avail ourselves of our reason and experience to correct the crude essays of our first and unexperienced although wise, virtuous, and well-meaning councils." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:41

"[Algernon Sidney wrote in Discourses Concerning Government, Sect. II, Par 13,] 'All human constitutions are subject to corruption and must perish unless they are timely renewed and reduced to their first principles.'" --Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book.

"I have found here [in America] a philosophic revolution, philosophically effected." --Thomas Jefferson to Comtesse d'Houdetot, 1790. ME 8:15

"Happy for us that when we find our constitutions defective and insufficient to secure the happiness of our people, we can assemble with all the coolness of philosophers and set it to rights, while every other nation on earth must have recourse to arms to amend or to restore their constitutions." --Thomas Jefferson to C. W. F. Dumas, 1787. ME 6:295, Papers 12:113

"The European governments have resisted reformation until the people, seeing no other resource, undertake it themselves by force, their only weapon, and work it out through blood, desolation and long-continued anarchy. Here it will be by large fragments breaking off, and refusing re-union but on condition of amendment, or perhaps permanently." --Thomas Jefferson to Robert J. Garnett, 1824. ME 16:15

"A schism in our Union... would be an incurable evil, because near friends falling out, never re-unite cordially; whereas, all of us going together, we shall be sure to cure the evils of our new Constitution, before they do great harm." --Thomas Jefferson to Alexander Donald, 1788. ME 6:426

"Happy for us that abuses have not yet become patrimonies, and that every description of interest is in favor of rational and moderate government. That we are yet able to send our wise and good men together to talk over our form of government, discuss its weaknesses and establish its remedies with the same sang-froid as they would a subject of agriculture." --Thomas Jefferson to Ralph Izard, 1788. ME 7:72, Papers 13:373

"The example of changing a constitution by assembling the wise men of the State instead of assembling armies will be worth as much to the world as the former examples we had given them." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:322

"I willingly acquiesce in the institutions of my country, perfect or imperfect, and think it a duty to leave their modifications to those who are to live under them and are to participate of the good or evil they may produce. The present generation has the same right of self-government which the past one has exercised for itself." --Thomas Jefferson to John Hampden Pleasants, 1824. ME 16:29

"My wish is to offend nobody; to leave to those who are to live under it, the settlement of their own constitution." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:70

"We have not yet so far perfected our constitutions as to venture to make them unchangeable. But still, in their present state, we consider them not otherwise changeable than by the authority of the people on a special election of representatives for that purpose expressly. They are until then the lex legum." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. ME 16:47

"Our children will be as wise as we are and will establish in the fulness of time those things not yet ripe for establishment." --Thomas Jefferson to John Tyler, 1810. ME 12:394

"The generation which is going off the stage has deserved well of mankind for the struggles it has made and for having arrested that course of despotism which had overwhelmed the world for thousands and thousands of years. If there seems to be danger that the ground they have gained will be lost again, that danger comes from the [upcoming] generation. But that the enthusiasm which characterizes youth should lift its parricide hands against freedom and science would be such a monstrous phenomenon as I cannot place among possible things in this age and this country." --Thomas Jefferson to William Green Munford, 1799.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

I see myself sitting on my porch, popcorn in one hand and shotgun in the other, just daring one of them to cross my field of fire.

Big dog

I don’t see where T J mentions the removal of any amendment.

77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States

Did you see where Democratic candidates swalwell so that he would confiscate people's AR-15s and if they don't want to give them up he would have them forcibly thrown in jail can you believe the audacity of these folks thinking they can just go around the Constitution and try to pull this crap they want to start 1776 they might want to rethink that statement cuz I guarantee you if swalwell makes it to the debate stage against Trump front will make sure he makes that abundantly clear what happens if you try to go after people's guns that's the last thing they want to do in this country and seeing that's the part that the Democrats hate so much cuz they know that the Second Amendment ties the whole Constitution together and it holds the Republic together too because they can't get the power that they want without removing the Second Amendment I'm waiting for one of them to say that they will declare martial law and just confiscate them I'd rather someone say that then just sit there and try to go around the Constitution to try to get what they want!

Big dog

It would be a Big mistake for the Democrats to make, that’s why they’re most likely to do it.

77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States

woodguru

Herpes and syphilis are more popular than Trump

77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States

We've already known for the last 10 years that the Democratic party has been trying to push a civil war on us buy all their identity politics they're hoping that somebody one of these groups but they always try to form a narrative around will actually just kill white people and start a Civil War in this country so they can rewrite their own history! And they've been trying for the last 10 years to Federalize the police through the UN but one thing the president and I'm talkin about former President Obama didn't understand is that we don't take our orders from the UN they take our orders from us since we're the ones who founded them they were called the League of Nations before the end of World War II I don't want nothing to do you got because Obama and the Democratic party want us in some sort of Union so they can have free Reign Over Us like government to do over in Europe because those people all but gave up their freedoms and we're not willing to give up ours because we haven't given up our right to bear arms like Europe did so that's the reason why the Democratic party is so pissed and that's the reason why they're hell-bent on trying to find some way of getting around the Second Amendment but they're never going to be able to get around it and that she that's another problem of the Democrats they never want to fight they always want to try to turn tail and run just like the French well I got news for you it's going to be a lot of people dying of lead poisoning if they try this b*******!

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Another jackass statement.
Hours and hours of research.
Many sleepless nights.

Sew_What

Changing means "bridging" the old with the new. Change doesn't remove an amendment.

My comments in general were to infer that, indeed, the constitution would have to change to eliminate electoral college.

Sew_What

No your rebuttal is a jackass statement, America 1's statement is funny.

77Reaganite Loc: Athens, GA, United States

Looks like you're a man speaking from experience LOL! Just so you know Trump's approval rating is it 53% sir more than Obama at this time in his first term in office so y'all can't find enough Democrats to objectifying to this pole but the fact of the matter is Donald Trump is 53% more popular than Obama

Sew_What

bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, you have a stunning disregard for reality.

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Hellbent to change our Constitution to suit your selfish needs.
Not broke, nothing to fix.

Sew_What

Okay, well just keep voting and we'll get that changed.