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Feb 27, 2019 10:40:22   #
Sicilianthing
 
Manning345 wrote:
Oh my side of Conservatism is well fixed in my soul, and dedicated to MAGA one way or another. I suggest that your bunch of clowns are xenophobic and prone to using a sledge hammer to drive a tack. You must be trying out for the role of Pied Piper and leading true Patriots astray. You are obviously not a Christian and have no sense of the leadership of Jesus. Get behind me Satan!


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Hmm, so you’re going to define for me what a Christian is ?
Ha... rotflmfaaaaaooooooooffffffffffff !

Lead Patriots astray from what ? They’re already misled and lost herds of sheep roaming about, drunk, drugged, adulterers who’ve sold each other out for cheap ignorant 3rd world labor and foreign lobbyist tricksters....

The masses who have ZERO clue about our Ancestry and how they came to be on the land, those aren’t patriots.

If you think guys like me are gonna continue to sit back and watch the rest of you continue on the destructive path you’re on you’re Flat Out Wrong Dude !

Seriously.

Is this your Christian leader ?



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Feb 27, 2019 10:42:09   #
Sicilianthing
 
Manning345 wrote:
Oh my side of Conservatism is well fixed in my soul, and dedicated to MAGA one way or another. I suggest that your bunch of clowns are xenophobic and prone to using a sledge hammer to drive a tack. You must be trying out for the role of Pied Piper and leading true Patriots astray. You are obviously not a Christian and have no sense of the leadership of Jesus. Get behind me Satan!


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Btw MAGA is done... you wont get much more out of Trump than what you’ve already seen. It’s over.

I support him too but the Past never forgives and everything is coming back to haunt.

You also have ZERO plan for what comes next when he leaves
Resigns
Gets impeached
Or loses in 2020 !

When you can come to terms with that reality look me up, we have a plan.

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Feb 27, 2019 13:30:56   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Btw MAGA is done... you wont get much more out of Trump than what you’ve already seen. It’s over.

I support him too but the Past never forgives and everything is coming back to haunt.

You also have ZERO plan for what comes next when he leaves
Resigns
Gets impeached
Or loses in 2020 !



When you can come to terms with that reality look me up, we have a plan.

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A wewe plan I'll bet! Incidentally, MAGA applies forever, not just during the Trump era.
Oh, and the Pope isn't my leader. It is apparent that your reality needs work. Now I have other things to do than to continue this nonsense.

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Check out topic: Wow where’s the MAGA folks
Feb 27, 2019 20:51:41   #
Sicilianthing
 
Manning345 wrote:
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A wewe plan I'll bet! Incidentally, MAGA applies forever, not just during the Trump era.
Oh, and the Pope isn't my leader. It is apparent that your reality needs work. Now I have other things to do than to continue this nonsense.


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Whatever Manning, I respect your posts and your views if you wish to stay on that path.
I will pray for you and yours.

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Feb 28, 2019 09:42:07   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Whatever Manning, I respect your posts and your views if you wish to stay on that path.
I will pray for you and yours.


You pointed out one key to our hopes and asperations: who and what follows Trump? I haven't a clue. If he is impeached and convicted while in office, Pence will be there. At the moment, I do not see the way after a 2020 loss, or after 2024 if he wins. (Not to be obnoxious about it, I most likely won't be around then, since I am working on 89 now.)

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Feb 28, 2019 10:27:55   #
Sicilianthing
 
Manning345 wrote:
You pointed out one key to our hopes and asperations: who and what follows Trump? I haven't a clue. If he is impeached and convicted while in office, Pence will be there. At the moment, I do not see the way after a 2020 loss, or after 2024 if he wins. (Not to be obnoxious about it, I most likely won't be around then, since I am working on 89 now.)


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Noted and I agree with you but I dont trust Pence for a second. He’s a CFR Rat for the Jesuits.
Also, I did not know you were aging.
Ok so lets see what happens next.

Are you healthy at least ?

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Feb 28, 2019 13:55:27   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Noted and I agree with you but I dont trust Pence for a second. He’s a CFR Rat for the Jesuits.
Also, I did not know you were aging.
Ok so lets see what happens next.

Are you healthy at least ?


Besides Hypertension, Emphysema, Diabetes (under control), and Migraines, I am doing better than the average I believe for my age. I am the caregiver for my wife, so I don't dare go down yet!

I didn't know Pence was a CFR, but it stands to reason he would be; he is still first in line to move up right now. It is the cadre of super-elites that bothers me. Makes me wonder whether Trump can succeed against such power and wealth. We shall see!

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Feb 28, 2019 18:26:52   #
Sicilianthing
 
Manning345 wrote:
Besides Hypertension, Emphysema, Diabetes (under control), and Migraines, I am doing better than the average I believe for my age. I am the caregiver for my wife, so I don't dare go down yet!

I didn't know Pence was a CFR, but it stands to reason he would be; he is still first in line to move up right now. It is the cadre of super-elites that bothers me. Makes me wonder whether Trump can succeed against such power and wealth. We shall see!


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Oh boy your hands are full my friend... I will pray for you and wife.
You’re a good man you guys made it this far together... very rare.
I’ve never met a girl that’s got my back.
Drink plenty of water for migraines
No sugar
Yep dont mess with that diabetes crap.
Did you or do you smoke ?

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Mar 1, 2019 12:54:24   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Oh boy your hands are full my friend... I will pray for you and wife.
You’re a good man you guys made it this far together... very rare.
I’ve never met a girl that’s got my back.
Drink plenty of water for migraines
No sugar
Yep dont mess with that diabetes crap.
Did you or do you smoke ?


I thank you for your prayers, my friend, they help!
The wife and I have been married for 62 years, practically a lifetime!
I used to smoke heavily, but quit in 1978 while still in Holland where smoking is all too common. Smoke-filled conference rooms were a big hazard.
For diabetes I use 4,000 units of cinnamon daily, and that has worked very well for me. My A1C is under 6% and has been for many years.

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Mar 1, 2019 17:59:25   #
Sicilianthing
 
Manning345 wrote:
I thank you for your prayers, my friend, they help!
The wife and I have been married for 62 years, practically a lifetime!
I used to smoke heavily, but quit in 1978 while still in Holland where smoking is all too common. Smoke-filled conference rooms were a big hazard.
For diabetes I use 4,000 units of cinnamon daily, and that has worked very well for me. My A1C is under 6% and has been for many years.


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I’m going to start taking cinnamon too then.

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Mar 2, 2019 15:48:10   #
JoyV
 
Manning345 wrote:
1. Some immigration is a good thing, such as by highly skilled people that we need, allowing migrant workers to help with harvests, allowing students to study in our schools and universities, diplomatic needs, cultural group tours, international corporation needs, technician support for foreign products, tourism, and so on.
2. There are two basic kinds of legal immigration: permanent and temporary, and then there is the illegal kind. Legal immigration is controlled by issuing visas that spell out the conditions of entry and exit,
3. There are two kinds of illegal entry: sneaking over the border, and overstaying a legal visa that has an entry and leaving time specified.
4. Illegal entry is the biggest problem. Control of the border to prevent illegal entry is necessary, using border agents, sensors, boats, aircraft, cars and trucks, walls and strong surveillance at major entry points---whatever is needed. An estimate of our illegal population is around 20 million people.
5. A major issue that must be solved is how many legal visas we should issue yearly? This includes the number of illegal immigrants granted a stay of departure at a court hearing to determine whether they can remain or not, and under what conditions.
6. A second major issue is how many foreign citizens we should allow to become naturalized citizens per year, and what qualifications they must have. Of all the qualifications, assimilation and learning English are vital.
7. How we apportion the number of visas between nations is a contentious issue, as is how we apportion visas among skill types regardless of nation.
8. Virtually no tracking of aliens with temporary visas or with a court date for illegals is a very serious shortfall, and it must be corrected.
9. The most vexing problem of all is what to do about the 20 million illegals currently living and working in the nation? Amnesty and eventual citizenship is one idea, and at the other pole of thought is taking, say, a ten-year period to ship all illegals we can find back to their home country.
There are significant problems with these ideas, not the least of which is that either idea, if attempted, has a massive cost to our taxpayers, and also our industries. This assumes that the current cost of the existing illegals to the taxpayer outweighs by far their contribution to the tax base, primarily because the majority of illegals pay little or no taxes since they earn so little, and they take full advantage of our schools and hospitals for years.
The cost of finding, feeding, and supporting 20 million illegal aliens while they are being processed and eventually transported to their country of origin is massive as well, and the idea presents numerous serious legal and humanitarian problems.
10. Two other vexing problems are the Anchor Baby, where those born in the US by illegal aliens are automatically US citizens, then Chain Migration allows them to pull their relatives into the US legally, an act that can be used by naturalized citizens as well.
11. Illegal entry by gangsters such as MS-13 members is yet another problem, and it is worse than most people realize. Over 400,000 criminal illegals were caught and sent back across the border in 2018. We are not sure how many made it into the US and are living somewhere and practicing their criminal acts. This is tantamount to an invasion!
12. President Trump has vowed to build a wall of sufficient length and height to act as a barrier to large scale group entry of illegals, which would make patrolling the border much more efficient, and make surveillance systems more effective as well. Parallel efforts to increase the number of Immigration Judges, and Border Patrol Officers are included.
13. My own view concerning the existing illegals is to set up the means to determine which illegal aliens are law-abiding, productive, and assimilating well over a defined period of time and give them a route to citizenship, while those who do not meet these and other requirements should be considered for immediate deportation.
14. Pleading their case for asylum based on hearsay evidence should result in denial of entry. There must be concrete rules developed for allowing entry of asylum seekers. It is obvious that we cannot accept all asylum seekers in the world, for that matter, we cannot accept all that would like to live here.
1. Some immigration is a good thing, such as by hi... (show quote)


A very well thought out and presented post! I would encourage all, even those who disagree with some or most of the points of the presentation to read this in its entirety as it should at the least give food for thought.

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Mar 2, 2019 16:27:36   #
JoyV
 
PaulPisces wrote:
My research indicates undocumented ("illegal") immigrants are ineligible for virtually all welfare programs.
If anyone can provide sources that indicate otherwise, please share them.

Immigrants who are here legally - those always held up as laudable for following the "right way" to enter U.S., however, are eligible for many of the same means-tested benefits that are available to naturalized citizens.

I think it's important to know the facts.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/
My research indicates undocumented ("illegal&... (show quote)


Illegals who do not use false IDs are ineligible for most large FEDERAL benefit programs like SNAP, SSI, welfare, TANF, or ACA. But they are eligible for many state programs and some federal programs, as well as education and emergency medical. These include emergency Medicaid program, WIC, and Special Supplemental Food Assistance, public education, public special education, and some states allow in state tuition for illegal aliens enrollment in college and free legal assistance including free lawyers for going to court. Over half of US states have assistance programs for "undocumented immigrants". California, Connecticut, Maine, Minnesota and Washington state offer SNAP to illegal aliens.

Now so far we have only talking been about illegal aliens who use no false documentation.

One argument often used is that illegal aliens pay more in income tax than they can legally claim in benefits. But this supposed the illegal uses a false SS# for employment (or no income tax would be involved), yet do NOT use false ID to claim benefits.

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