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Mar 23, 2014 17:57:09   #
just chris
 
bmac32 wrote:
Maybe check what the states pay before believing PolitiFact.
I went to the study he quoted at the CATO website it gave the numbers for every state and max allowable benifits for a family of "4" that was my point his post left out the number of dependents needed to collect that amount. Let's talk about Tx.or Fl. where welfare benifits are worth about $5.00 an hour real states big populations or we can compare everything with Alaska or Hawaii where its worth $10.00 an hour.

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Mar 23, 2014 20:01:39   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Have been in Florida 34 years, never drawn neither has wife.

Pretty simple to me, look back at those numbers, now check what the average SS check is.


just chris wrote:
I went to the study he quoted at the CATO website it gave the numbers for every state and max allowable benifits for a family of "4" that was my point his post left out the number of dependents needed to collect that amount. Let's talk about Tx.or Fl. where welfare benifits are worth about $5.00 an hour real states big populations or we can compare everything with Alaska or Hawaii where its worth $10.00 an hour.

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Mar 23, 2014 23:24:34   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
bmac32 wrote:
THE WORK ETHIC WE INHERITED GROWING UP HAS FALLEN PREY TO THE 'WELFARE' SYSTEM


The Cato Institute released an updated 2013 study (original study in 1955) showing that welfare benefits pay more than a minimum wage job in 33 states and the District of Columbia. Even worse, welfare pays more than $15 per hour in 13 states. According to the study, welfare benefits have increased faster than minimum wage. It’s now more profitable to sit at home than it is to earn an honest day’s pay.

Hawaii is the biggest offender, where welfare recipients earn $29.13 per hour, or a $60,590 yearly salary, all for doing nothing.

Here is the list of the states where the pre-tax equivalent “salary” that welfare recipients receive is higher than having a job:

1. Hawaii : $60,590

2. District of Columbia : $50,820

3. Massachusetts : $50,540

4. Connecticut : $44,370

5. New York : $43,700

6. New Jersey : $43,450

7. Rhode Island : $43,330

8. Vermont : $42,350

9. New Hampshire : $39,750

10. Maryland : $38,160

11. California : $37,160

12. Oregon : $34,300

13. Wyoming : $32,620

14. Nevada : $29,820

15. Minnesota : $29,350

16. Delaware : $29,220

17. Washington : $28,840

18. North Dakota : $28,830

19. Pennsylvania : $28,670

20. New Mexico : $27,900

21. Montana : $26,930

22. South Dakota : $26,610

23. Kansas : $26,490

24. Michigan : $26,430

25. Alaska : $26,400

26. Ohio : $26,200

27. North Carolina : $25,760

28. West Virginia : $24,900

29. Alabama : $23,310

30. Indiana : $22,900

31. Missouri : $22,800

32. Oklahoma : $22,480

33. Louisiana : $22,250

34. South Carolina : $21,910



As a point of reference the average Middle Class annual income today is $50,000, down from $54,000 at the beginning of the Great Recession. Hawaii, DC, and Massachusetts pay more in welfare than the average working folks earn there. Is it any wonder that they stay home rather than look for a job. Time for a drastic change. America is virtually bankrupt.

Are we Nuts or what? How do we un-do this type of stupidity on the part of Americans?
This is crazy!

Salary of retired US Presidents
$180,000 FOR LIFE

Salary of House/Senate....$174,000 FOR LIFE
This is stupid.

Salary of Speaker of the House ....$223,500
FOR LIFE!
This is really stupid.

Salary of Majority/Minority Leader $193,400
FOR LIFE!
Ditto last line.

Average Salary of a teacher .. $40,065

Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN
AFGHANISTAN .. $38,000

Think about this.

Nancy Pelosi will retire as a Congress Person
at $174,000 Dollars a year for LIFE.
She has retired as SPEAKER at $223,500
a year.

PLUS she will receive an additional $193,400 a
year as Minority Leader.

That's
$803,700

Dollars a year for LIFE including FREE medical
which is not available to us .... the taxpayers

She is just one of the hundreds of Senators
and Congress that float in and out every
year!

I think we found where the cuts should be made!
THE WORK ETHIC WE INHERITED GROWING UP HAS FALLEN ... (show quote)


Considering that these numbers are 11% of the budget, it is obvious that OTHER areas need more attention, such as federal pensions, which is 24% of the budget. These pensioners are also doing nothing, for a whole lot more money. Some common sense is in order but in very short supply. Especially around here.

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Mar 24, 2014 05:35:42   #
Retired669
 
3jack wrote:
Here....let me post the rest of the chain mail BS story for you, or did you think no one would check your post for accuracy.

Let’s turn to the nonpartisan research arm of Congress, the Congressional Research Service, which explains laws so even lawmakers can understand them.

• Members of Congress earn their $174,000 salaries only during their elected terms. (Nope, not for life.)

• They’re eligible for congressional pensions only after five years of service. (For a member of the House, that would mean getting elected to office at least three times.)

Those pensions can’t be tapped until retirement age — and can’t be collected while a lawmaker still gets a federal salary. So John Kerry, for example, can’t collect his congressional pension while he serves as secretary of state, according to Pete Sepp of the National Taxpayers Union.

• The size of the pension depends on years of service and the average of a lawmaker’s highest three years of salary. The exact formula depends on when they started. Meanwhile, every paycheck, lawmakers contribute to both their pensions and Social Security.

• Most congressional pensions are nowhere near a lawmaker’s salary. Under a pre-1984 retirement formula, it couldn’t be more than 80 percent of a lawmaker’s final salary, not counting cost-of-living adjustments. Under current rules, lawmakers could theoretically get more than 80 percent of their salary, but most would need to serve more than 66 years to get that.

Would House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi get "$803,700 Dollars a year for LIFE including FREE medical"?

The email writer gets a whole host of things wrong here.

The message claims Pelosi will retire as a member of Congress making $174,000 — and that she’ll earn it annually, for life, on top of her full speaker’s salary of $223,500 and minority leader’s salary of $193,400, for a whopping "$803,700 Dollars a year for LIFE including FREE medical."

Nope.

Congressional leaders do get paid more than other lawmakers. The speaker of the House earns $223,500. The House minority leader earns $193,400. That’s more than the $174,000 earned by the rank and file. But those are annual salaries that leaders earn while they hold their titles, not lifetime guarantees that get stacked on top of one another.

• First, even if her pension did equal all three salaries, they add up to $590,900, not $803,700. (Unless perhaps the writer’s suggesting the "free medical" is worth $212,800 a year. Talk about rising health care costs!)

• Second, that’s not how it works. See above.

• Third, lawmakers don’t get "free medical." They pay a portion of their health insurance premiums, co-pays and co-insurance and can face a deductible, just like a lot of workers with employer-based health care. In January, their employer-offered health insurance will be a choice of plans offered on Obamacare’s federal exchange.

Pelosi’s higher salary as House speaker from 2007-11 will boost her pension. But the congresswoman, who’s been in office since 1987, would have to work at least two more decades for her starting pension to match a regular lawmaker’s pay, much less $803,700.

She’s 73.

And, oh, by the way, lawmakers haven’t given themselves a pay raise since January 2009.

We’re not saying they’re earning their keep.

But perhaps it’ll make you feel slightly better that their salaries this year hit their lowest inflation-adjusted levels since December 1990. And that more than 200 of them were refusing pay while the government was closed.

Our ruling

A viral message claims congressional lawmakers earn their salaries "FOR LIFE," which for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi would add up to "$803,700 Dollars a year for LIFE including FREE medical."

Lawmakers don’t earn a salary after their terms end. They may earn pensions based on years of service, but those don’t start until retirement. They don’t get "free medical."

It might feel good to click Forward. But it wouldn’t make this claim any less Pants on Fire.
Here....let me post the rest of the chain mail BS ... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 24, 2014 08:18:31   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
They need to start cutting somewhere no matter how small. Pensions are earned even thought the Feds and states have jacked them to high but that comes back to unions.



lpnmajor wrote:
Considering that these numbers are 11% of the budget, it is obvious that OTHER areas need more attention, such as federal pensions, which is 24% of the budget. These pensioners are also doing nothing, for a whole lot more money. Some common sense is in order but in very short supply. Especially around here.

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Mar 24, 2014 09:41:35   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
just chris wrote:
The hike minimum wage preposed 10.10 hour not 15.00 but don't let a little thing like facts get in the way


Actually this is partially true:
Obama is wanting all contractors who hire workers to pay $15.00 a hour minimum for government contracts. Which would be huge amount of people considering military contracts and other government building. But don't worry it won't cost Obama anything ! I not sure about the proposed $10.10 rate as to who this came from . They are probably just trying to equalize the pay between welfare people and workers, by boosting the workers pay up.

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Mar 24, 2014 10:04:41   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Tipping is taxed the same as wages. In fact, the IRS declares that tips are wages, and taxes accordingly.


Yes and servers are automatically taxed, as if they received a tip on every bill, even if in fact they did not!

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Mar 24, 2014 10:07:33   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
just chris wrote:
It's still only $10.10 for federal contracts goggle it, and try to keep up it's not that hard


Read my post it said: "Obama IS WANTING TO " , it didn't say he already had !
Try to read the articles not add something that's not there.

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Mar 24, 2014 10:08:54   #
Kenneth Biggs Loc: Nashville,Tennessee
 
bmac32, I DON'T SEE TENNESSEE ON YOUR LIST,THAT IS BECAUSE TENNESSEE IS THE THIRD LOWEST PAYING STATE IN THE UNITED STATES!, GOVERNMENT BENIFITS, MINNIMUM WAGES, WAGES PERIOD!, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE OF SOME SORT!?, MAY GOD ,BLESS AND KEEP US ALL, KENNETH BIGGS.

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Mar 24, 2014 10:15:33   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
just chris wrote:
We were talking about welfare benifits that a single person can collect not congress


Believe it or not Chris there are other people on this site besides you! And sometimes the main subject wanders a bit.

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Mar 24, 2014 10:32:12   #
Kenneth Biggs Loc: Nashville,Tennessee
 
Bigmac495, THIS IS ONLY ONE, PERSON, !, IT,S FUNNY THE WAY YOU GUYS,ALL TRY TO ,BUNCH US ALL,''GOVERNMENT BENIFIT RECIPIENTS'', INTO ONE TIDY LITTLE PACKAGE, FOR YOUR INFORMATION, WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME, WE DO NOT ALL RECIEVE OVER $1200 PER MONTH IN BENIFITS, IN NASHVILLE,TENNESSEE ,I RECIEVE ,ONLY $720 PER MONTH SOCIAL SECURITY TO LIVE ON!, THANK YOU,KENNETH BIGGS.

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Mar 24, 2014 10:36:22   #
Kenneth Biggs Loc: Nashville,Tennessee
 
Kenneth Biggs wrote:
bmac32, I DON'T SEE TENNESSEE ON YOUR LIST,THAT IS BECAUSE TENNESSEE IS THE THIRD LOWEST PAYING STATE IN THE UNITED STATES!, GOVERNMENT BENIFITS, MINNIMUM WAGES, WAGES PERIOD!, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE OF SOME SORT!?, MAY GOD ,BLESS AND KEEP US ALL, KENNETH BIGGS.

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Mar 24, 2014 12:02:22   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
Kenneth Biggs wrote:
Bigmac495, THIS IS ONLY ONE, PERSON, !, IT,S FUNNY THE WAY YOU GUYS,ALL TRY TO ,BUNCH US ALL,''GOVERNMENT BENIFIT RECIPIENTS'', INTO ONE TIDY LITTLE PACKAGE, FOR YOUR INFORMATION, WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME, WE DO NOT ALL RECIEVE OVER $1200 PER MONTH IN BENIFITS, IN NASHVILLE,TENNESSEE ,I RECIEVE ,ONLY $720 PER MONTH SOCIAL SECURITY TO LIVE ON!, THANK YOU,KENNETH BIGGS.


I agree there is many variables that determine what welfare and S/S pays. One size will not fit all! I don't remember saying anything about S/S on this site. As far as I'm concerned S/S is not welfare , it was and is being paid for by deductions of peoples pay just for Social Security. But don't forget most of the time we are only quoting from a source for your information we don't make the news .
PS; When you post in Capitals people think you are really mad! Is this true ? Are you really that mad ?

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Mar 24, 2014 12:06:50   #
Onelittlevoice
 
Thanks for answering my question about how long someone must serve to receive that kind of pension. It's frustrating sometimes when you don't get the whole truth about an issue. But, I guess that's the purpose of "inflamatory rhetoric". It's designed to upset people. Upset people don't often think clearly. We need more clear thinking.

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Mar 24, 2014 12:48:31   #
SeniorVerdad
 
bmac32 wrote:
THE WORK ETHIC WE INHERITED GROWING UP HAS FALLEN PREY TO THE 'WELFARE' SYSTEM


The Cato Institute released an updated 2013 study (original study in 1955) showing that welfare benefits pay more than a minimum wage job in 33 states and the District of Columbia. Even worse, welfare pays more than $15 per hour in 13 states. According to the study, welfare benefits have increased faster than minimum wage. It’s now more profitable to sit at home than it is to earn an honest day’s pay.

Hawaii is the biggest offender, where welfare recipients earn $29.13 per hour, or a $60,590 yearly salary, all for doing nothing.

Here is the list of the states where the pre-tax equivalent “salary” that welfare recipients receive is higher than having a job:

1. Hawaii : $60,590

2. District of Columbia : $50,820

3. Massachusetts : $50,540

4. Connecticut : $44,370

5. New York : $43,700

6. New Jersey : $43,450

7. Rhode Island : $43,330

8. Vermont : $42,350

9. New Hampshire : $39,750

10. Maryland : $38,160

11. California : $37,160

12. Oregon : $34,300

13. Wyoming : $32,620

14. Nevada : $29,820

15. Minnesota : $29,350

16. Delaware : $29,220

17. Washington : $28,840

18. North Dakota : $28,830

19. Pennsylvania : $28,670

20. New Mexico : $27,900

21. Montana : $26,930

22. South Dakota : $26,610

23. Kansas : $26,490

24. Michigan : $26,430

25. Alaska : $26,400

26. Ohio : $26,200

27. North Carolina : $25,760

28. West Virginia : $24,900

29. Alabama : $23,310

30. Indiana : $22,900

31. Missouri : $22,800

32. Oklahoma : $22,480

33. Louisiana : $22,250

34. South Carolina : $21,910



As a point of reference the average Middle Class annual income today is $50,000, down from $54,000 at the beginning of the Great Recession. Hawaii, DC, and Massachusetts pay more in welfare than the average working folks earn there. Is it any wonder that they stay home rather than look for a job. Time for a drastic change. America is virtually bankrupt.

Are we Nuts or what? How do we un-do this type of stupidity on the part of Americans?
This is crazy!

Salary of retired US Presidents
$180,000 FOR LIFE

Salary of House/Senate....$174,000 FOR LIFE
This is stupid.

Salary of Speaker of the House ....$223,500
FOR LIFE!
This is really stupid.

Salary of Majority/Minority Leader $193,400
FOR LIFE!
Ditto last line.

Average Salary of a teacher .. $40,065

Average Salary of Soldier DEPLOYED IN
AFGHANISTAN .. $38,000

Think about this.

Nancy Pelosi will retire as a Congress Person
at $174,000 Dollars a year for LIFE.
She has retired as SPEAKER at $223,500
a year.

PLUS she will receive an additional $193,400 a
year as Minority Leader.

That's
$803,700

Dollars a year for LIFE including FREE medical
which is not available to us .... the taxpayers

She is just one of the hundreds of Senators
and Congress that float in and out every
year!

I think we found where the cuts should be made!
THE WORK ETHIC WE INHERITED GROWING UP HAS FALLEN ... (show quote)


No wonder so many people want to get into politics, especially running for congress and the senate. For Nancy Pelosi to be able to tripple-dip on her retirement is obscene. I can see her getting the higher salaries for her leadership roles but not one salary as leader and one as congresswoman on top of each other. This is sure a good arguement for term limits along with the temptation towards greed and graft that assault even an honest person's character.

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