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Feb 24, 2019 14:49:35   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Sent me your last name and I'll send PP a donation in your name.

Oh? How much?

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Feb 24, 2019 15:09:40   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Oh? How much?


$100

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Feb 24, 2019 17:29:58   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Bad Bob wrote:
$100

Add a few zeroes and I might consider it. If you're going to finance evil, you need to go all out, you should know that already. And add in a few pints of blood, your own blood, I might have a use for it.

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Feb 24, 2019 18:18:40   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Add a few zeroes and I might consider it. If you're going to finance evil, you need to go all out, you should know that already. And add in a few pints of blood, your own blood, I might have a use for it.


I've made monthly donations for about 50 years and I add extra for Byron AH.

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Feb 24, 2019 18:28:40   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Bad Bob wrote:
I've made monthly donations for about 50 years and I add extra for Byron AH.

You must be very proud of all the lives you've helped to end before they even had a chance to begin. By the way, how many were your own children?

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Feb 24, 2019 18:30:57   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Bad Bob wrote:
I've made monthly donations for about 50 years and I add extra for Byron AH.

oh! Now I get it! It's all about #Resistance!

https://1600daily.com/2019/02/22/president-trump-takes-bold-steps-fight-unborn/

What a homicidal fool.

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Feb 24, 2019 19:16:19   #
woodguru
 
ACP45 wrote:
The Senate will vote Monday on Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse’s Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act – a bill that would protect babies born alive following failed abortions from infanticide.

The bill states:

(1) If an abortion results in the live birth of an infant, the infant is a legal person for all purposes under the laws of the United States, and entitled to all the protections of such laws.

(2) Any infant born alive after an abortion or within a hospital, clinic, or other facility has the same claim to the protection of the law that would arise for any newborn, or for any person who comes to a hospital, clinic, or other facility for screening and treatment or otherwise becomes a patient within its care.

Nearly three weeks ago, Senate Democrats – led by Washington Sen. Patty Murray – blocked the Born-Alive bill. Sasse had introduced the legislation and went to the floor of the Senate to ask his colleagues to pass the bill by unanimous consent, but Democrats objected.

Question: What politicians are willing to go on record in signifying their belief that a living born baby's right to life is less important than a woman's right to choose?

Next Question: How many voters in the next election will vote for any politician who espouses that viewpoint?
The Senate will vote Monday on Nebraska Sen. Ben S... (show quote)


And where did this ridiculous grandstanding idea come from? Everyone knows when a baby is ripped out it's dead, what are the chances of a fetus being born alive? Come on...really?

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Feb 24, 2019 19:19:23   #
woodguru
 
ACP45 wrote:
Then let them go on record and justify their decision to the electorate in the next election. Let's hope enough of the population still has a properly functioning moral compass and recollection of their vote.


I think it would disturb you to know how many people on the right don't "believe" in abortion but don't think it is the government's position to tell a person what they do in that regard...where's the party of less government?

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Feb 24, 2019 19:34:03   #
vernon
 
woodguru wrote:
And where did this ridiculous grandstanding idea come from? Everyone knows when a baby is ripped out it's dead, what are the chances of a fetus being born alive? Come on...really?


Really, What was the name of that doctor in Pennsylvania you is serving time for killing babies after a partial birth abortion he was convicted of murdering 3 babies.

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Feb 24, 2019 20:40:57   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Bad Bob wrote:
NADLER'S STATEMENT TO H.R. 4712, THE “BORN-ALIVE ABORTION SURVIVORS PROTECTION ACT”
Jan 19, 2018
Today, House Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Jerrold Nadler (D-NY.) delivered the following remarks on the House Floor during the debate of “H.R 4712, the “Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act.”
I rise in strong opposition to H.R. 4712, the so-called “Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act.” Despite what its supporters would have us believe, this legislation would do nothing to enhance protections, or the quality of health care, if an infant is born after an attempted abortion. What it woulddo, however, is directly interfere with a doctor’s medical judgement and dictate a medical standard of care that may not be appropriate in all circumstances, which could, in fact, put infants’ lives at greater risk.

Let me say at the outset of this debate, very clearly: It has always been the law that health care providers cannot deliberately harm newborn infants, and that they must exercise reasonable care in their treatment of such infants. The bill’s implication that providers who perform abortions routinely act in a callous or criminal manner that would result in an infant’s death, or that a provider who performs an abortion somehow cannot be trusted to take adequate measures to save a living baby’s life, is insulting and untrue.

In opposing this bill, I do not oppose, in any way, proper medical treatment for newborn infants, whatever the circumstances of their birth. But determining the proper treatment is for medical professionals to decide, not politicians in Congress.

When I supported the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in 2002, my reasoning, and the reasoning of my pro-choice colleagues, was simple: killing an infant who was born alive, either by an act of omission or commission, is infanticide. It was, is, and always should be, against the law, and we saw no harm in reaffirming that fact. That law passed Congress with bipartisan support precisely because it was harmless – even if it was also useless since it did not change the pre-existing law in any way. The bill specifically just reiterated existing law in florid language and did nothing to interfere with doctors’ medical judgment or cause needless harm.

Unfortunately, the bill before us today puts children’s lives and health at risk. It requires doctors to immediately ensure transportation and admission of the infant to a hospital in all cases, with no regard as to whether doing so is in the best interest of the child’s health and well-being. This mandate effectively overrides the careful, case-by-case exercise of professional medical judgment by health care providers, and replaces it with a blanket rule enforceable with criminal penalties.

Such a ham-fisted approach fails to consider the fact that in many cases, it may be safer, and more conducive to the infant’s health, to care for the infant where it was born, rather than transporting it many miles away. But this bill assumes that Congress knows better, and it imposes a new obligation on providers that, rather than saving lives, puts infants at risk.

I am sure that such a result is not what the bill’s supporters intend, but all too often this is what happens when Members of Congress try to dictate a physician’s exercise of professional medical judgment. Perhaps if this bill had gone through regular order we could have avoided this unfortunate situation. But there has never been a Committee markup or a hearing on this bill. I would have welcomed the opportunity to hear from expert witnesses on best practices and standards of care for infants. Members could have offered amendments and perfected the bill to ensure that it achieves our common goal of providing the best, most medically-appropriate care to infants and their mothers.

I am disappointed, but not surprised, that my colleagues rushed this bill to the floor when there is no evidence at all that doctors currently are failing to provide an appropriate level of care and a chorus of provider groups oppose the bill. This is clearly an effort to have this vote coincide with the presence of many anti-choice demonstrators in Washington. Sadly, rather than protecting infants, my Republican colleagues are putting them at greater risk in the service of politics.

I cannot support H.R. 4712 because it mandates a particular course of treatment – immediate transport to a hospital – which may not be appropriate and may be medically dangerous in certain cases. It abandons the practice of considering the best medical interests of infants and their mothers. I urge my colleagues to reject this ill-conceived legislation, and I reserve the balance of my time.

https://judiciary.house.gov/news/press-releases/nadlers-statement-hr-4712-born-alive-abortion-survivors-protection-act
NADLER'S STATEMENT TO H.R. 4712, THE “BORN-ALIVE A... (show quote)



Darn good post bob... I was looking for this same information.. I am glad you beat me to it..

the nut cases will never see the proposed law for what it truly is..

they will pile not now for at least the beginning of the orange con and his manipulation by Kim for NK..

that is coming this week I think..



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Feb 24, 2019 20:47:06   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Is there anyone out there who reads that and doesn't suffer some kind of seizure in their brain's reasoning circuits? Those who perform abortions do routinely act in a callous and criminal manner that does result in an infant’s death. That's the whole point of having an abortion, to kill the baby! An abortion provider who performs an abortion most certainly cannot be trusted to "take adequate measures to save a living baby’s life", he/she is trying to take the child's life, not save it! This fool sees these points as being insulting and untrue. Insulting to who? The baby killer? I'm so glad they're forcing these macabre so-called 'representatives' to go on the record over this so the American people know what they're being asked to vote for.
Is there anyone out there who reads that and doesn... (show quote)




It is such a problem with the anti-chose people that they see every abortion as featuring a full term baby.

The truth is that over 90% of abortions involve nothing but the removal of some tissue.

Many times this tissue simply falls in the toilet during a trip to the bathroom..

Some women never realize that they were pregnant at that time..



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Feb 25, 2019 05:46:22   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
You must be very proud of all the lives you've helped to end before they even had a chance to begin. By the way, how many were your own children?


0---- All children should be planned.

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Feb 25, 2019 05:55:45   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
woodguru wrote:
And where did this ridiculous grandstanding idea come from? Everyone knows when a baby is ripped out it's dead, what are the chances of a fetus being born alive? Come on...really?


Fanatics

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Feb 25, 2019 05:59:19   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Is there anyone out there who reads that and doesn't suffer some kind of seizure in their brain's reasoning circuits? Those who perform abortions do routinely act in a callous and criminal manner that does result in an infant’s death. That's the whole point of having an abortion, to kill the baby! An abortion provider who performs an abortion most certainly cannot be trusted to "take adequate measures to save a living baby’s life", he/she is trying to take the child's life, not save it! This fool sees these points as being insulting and untrue. Insulting to who? The baby killer? I'm so glad they're forcing these macabre so-called 'representatives' to go on the record over this so the American people know what they're being asked to vote for.
Is there anyone out there who reads that and doesn... (show quote)


I could not have said it any better.

Focus on his reasoning for opposing this bill:
"It requires doctors to immediately ensure transportation and admission of the infant to a hospital in all cases, with no regard as to whether doing so is in the best interest of the child’s health and well-being."

What is his definition of "the best interest of the child's health and well-being", being butchered into little pieces and the parts being sold for cash?

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Feb 25, 2019 06:02:10   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
oh! Now I get it! It's all about #Resistance!

https://1600daily.com/2019/02/22/president-trump-takes-bold-steps-fight-unborn/

What a homicidal fool.


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