Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Just bear in mind that as a Christian, you accept that these deviants of the products of creation, just like the rest of us. Their lifestyle is described as an 'abomination' in the bible, but they are still the product of a Higher Being who in all likelihood knowingly allowed them to come about. I expect Jesus would embrace them as He does all of us, and would likely forgive them their sins if they accept Him as their Savior.

As for Jesus being a 'Conservative', I see Him as being far more on the side of anarchy than any form of government, but then I'm no theologian.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

He would of course forgive any if their heart was true. Remember he said go forth and sin no more. Jesus actually wanted one to respect govt. give unto Cesar what is Cesar’s.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

That was in response to a trick question. They were trying to make Him say something against the Roman occupiers so they would have something to 'pin' him with. His answer was to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to give unto God what is God's. Foiled again...

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Of course.

https://bibleforums.org/showthread.php/209503-What-Did-Jesus-Say-About-Christians-and-Government

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

I think this sums it up quite nicely:

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Perfect.

Tug484

The left has coerced Roberts into moving left.
They must have more on him than illegal adoption.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

If you think about it.....Sodam and Gomorrah fits the bill pretty good. God sent the two angels to witness the iniquity and to testify the wickedness back to Him. When the cities men tried to have sex with them, they were blinded and the angels took Lot and his family to safety. God passed judgement on the two cities based on eye witness testimony, even though he already knew the cities were ridden with sin. That is why the Bible says that when we are judged, books will be opened that bear records of all mankind. Judgement comes from proof.
As for judges.....
I'm just a dumb cluck and yet I know that state law supersedes local law, and Federal law supersedes state law.
How on earth can ANYBODY who has made it to the position of judge (in ANY court) just ignore the constitutional rights of freedom of speech AND religion? Of course we know that all of these lawsuits are well planned out way before the actor's ever enter the business to conduct an attack. It's all a big setup from the gay couple to the judge, meant to do away with Christianity. No Muslims, no Buddhists, none of the Indian religions are targeted, no Mormon's.........it's only the Christian faith that is being torn apart by judges who are sworn to uphold the constitution.
God won't do mass destruction as he did back then, but when those books I mentioned are opened, then I DON'T want to be one of those judges, lawyers, or anyone else that is making Christianity a bad name. No judge can overrule God. No lawyer can double talk him or trick him. Gay rights cannot preclude His precepts. The day of judgement is coming. Some don't believe it....doesn't matter. When that day comes, they'll believe it well enough.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Your first statement is true. All will be saved who accept Jesus' sacrifice as sufficient for their sin debt. The Bible plainly says that.

But Jesus was no anarchist. He clearly meant to give to Caesar what is owed to Caesar. He also said plainly that He was not here to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. Jesus told a parable about a poor man named Lazarus, who begged for crumbs from a rich man's table. His condition was so bad that the dogs licked his sores. Jesus called the rich man a "certain" man, meaning that he was talking about only ONE man, whom he didn't name. It was not acceptable in Israeli history at that time to openly bad mouth the ruling classes. Yet Jesus described him so well that we can identify him today. He was clothed in purple and dined very well indeed. He died! He lifted up his eyes in hell and could see Lazarus in Abraham's bosom. He asked for water, and Abraham didn't refuse to give it, but he said there is a great gulf between us that cannot be crossed. So he asked for Lazarus to go back to warn his 5 brothers.
I said all that to say this. The high priest wore purple. Priests were wealthy so they ate very well. The high priest at that time was Caiaphas and he had 5 brothers. The rich man in the parable was Caiaphas and there can be no doubt of it.
Point being that Jesus obeyed the laws and customs of the time, even to the paying of taxes owed to a conquering dictator. Jesus was a perfect Jew. Jesus was not here to create anarchy, of ANY kind, he was here to save the Jews...He came unto his own and his own received him not. I could go on for hours...like how Jesus was actually crucified on Wednesday, NOT Friday, and that a sacrifice was made on that day every year since the Israelis were slaves in Egypt ( it was a high sabbath called Passover), or that we, the gentiles, had the gift of salvation ONLY after his own people rejected him.
It's understandable for you to say Jesus was given to anarchy if you didn't know the things I just gave you, and I hope you can see now that there was NO rebellion in him, only fulfillment. If you need more to convince you, just let me know as I can give you so much more!
You were also correct that they asked him this question in an attempt to trap him, and thereby kill him. More than once, Jesus had to disappear into the crowd to keep from being killed before his time. His time was Wednesday of the week we call Easter. He had to be dead before sundown, when the Passover sabbath started.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Just read a scientific article that states scientist have proven the area of Sodam and Gomorrah was destroyed by a meteor explosion in the past.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Interesting. I read up on the 2 cities and archeologists say they have been located and identified. Ruins remain, covered with a 0.4 M layer of burned material. Had they been destroyed by a meteor, the devastation would have looked like the photo below, I believe. Can you find the article again and post a link? I would like to read it. Look at the photo...there are 3 craters. The big one is Meteor Crater in Arizona, a smaller one 1/3 the size, and a little one just 1/10 the size of the original. I put them all in 1 photo for comparison. Since the original meteor was estimated to be 33 feet in diameter, the little one would be only 3.3 feet in diameter. Since the real crater is 1 mile in diameter, this would make the little crater 528 feet across. I'm just guessing but if a meteor did it, I think 3.3 feet would be the smallest meteor that could wipe out 2 cities, so if ruins are still visible, then there should be a sizable crater too. What do you think?

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I will look.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Thank you...I'll give it a look.