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The war on Christmas reached new heights
Dec 14, 2018 11:17:29 #
kemmer wrote:
Who says I practice such things "deserving of death"?!...
You're a practicing, and proud of it, homosexual.
Dec 14, 2018 11:37:31 #
padremike
Loc: Phenix City, Al
kemmer wrote:
Oh puuullleeease!
It was a legitimate question. You tend to deligitimize many issues with a simple minded snarky remark. But that's a personality/prideful issue isn't it? Are you ready for round 2 or shall we leave it be?
Dec 14, 2018 11:47:04 #
mwdegutis wrote:
Of course your reprobate mind wouldn't understand. I was speaking of eternal death, not physical death.
Like hell you were.
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Dec 14, 2018 11:48:11 #
Dec 14, 2018 11:54:37 #
padremike wrote:
It was a legitimate question. You tend to deligitimize many issues with a simple minded snarky remark. But that's a personality/prideful issue isn't it? Are you ready for round 2 or shall we leave it be?
“Round 2” or “leave it be”. With you I don’t see a difference, and I don’t particularly care.
Dec 14, 2018 12:11:23 #
padremike
Loc: Phenix City, Al
kemmer wrote:
“Round 2” or “leave it be”. With you I don’t see a difference, and I don’t particularly care.
Since you don't care very much about yourself I don't expect you have reason to care much about anyone else so I'll pass.
Dec 14, 2018 13:59:40 #
kemmer wrote:
Practice makes perfect.
Read Romans 1:18-32. Describes you PERFECTLY.
Dec 14, 2018 14:26:33 #
padremike wrote:
Since you don't care very much about yourself...
Is that your idea of an opening statement? That’s your best shot?
Dec 14, 2018 14:29:33 #
padremike
Loc: Phenix City, Al
kemmer wrote:
Is that your idea of an opening statement? That’s your best shot?
Your grasp of the obvious is getting better.
Dec 14, 2018 17:43:59 #
Morgan wrote:
"Christian based"??? What exactly does that mean? Either you are a Christian or you are not.quote: "Here's the bottom line: The godless r... (show quote)
CAN BAN Christianity entirely . . . " As in a theoretical or general possibility. We do not usually use "can" to say that something will actually happen or has happened. The statement is based on real world evidence that anti-Christian forces are at work, this includes atheists, godless reprobates, and Islamic fundamentalists, whose objective is to eliminate Christianity, to eradicate Christians or at least bring them under the yoke of oppression where they can no longer function.
My point is that no matter what happens "they will never remove the Spirit of God from our souls and our love of Jesus from our hearts."
Dec 14, 2018 17:54:48 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
"Christian based"??? What exactly does t... (show quote)
Sounds like you are describing Obama.
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Dec 15, 2018 01:03:46 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
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I don't have any idea where these batshit crazy loonies get the idea the Christianity is in the slightest danger of being banned or eliminated!
Dec 15, 2018 01:13:00 #
kemmer wrote:
I don't have any idea where these batshit crazy loonies get the idea the Christianity is in the slightest danger of being banned or eliminated!
And you can keep your health insurance.
Dec 15, 2018 01:30:46 #
padremike
Loc: Phenix City, Al
kemmer wrote:
I don't have any idea where these batshit crazy loonies get the idea the Christianity is in the slightest danger of being banned or eliminated!
I agree. You have no idea.
Dec 15, 2018 03:05:12 #
kemmer wrote:
It isn't possible for you to have any idea where these batshit crazy loonies get the idea that Christianity is in the slightest danger of being banned or eliminated, you're not fully awake yet. Your world history began the day you were born. I don't have any idea where these batshit crazy loonies get the idea the Christianity is in the slightest danger of being banned or eliminated!
Islam declared war on Christianity, Judaism, and western civilization 1400 years ago. Islam is intolerant of all other religions including atheism. Islam is particularly pissed off at Christians for accepting Jesus Christ as the Son of God, they feel this is a blasphemous insult to Allah. Christians living in the Islamic world are in mortal danger. Islam is also very intolerant of unnatural lifestyles. When you finally awaken completely, maybe you can take an honest and objective look at the real world.
Islam has been at war with Christianity for a thousand years
September 4, 2018 (Turning Point Project) – At a time when Catholic youth are taught that Islam means peace, pilgrimage and prayer, and Catholic adults are under the impression that Muslims are a misunderstood minority who only want to share their values and their baba ghanoush, it's refreshing to occasionally make contact with reality.
I mean "refreshing" here in the sense that a dive into chilly waters is refreshing. I just finished reading Raymond Ibrahim's Sword and Scimitar, a history of fourteen centuries of war between Islam and the West, and the effect is similar to the shocked-awake effect of a plunge into cold water.
Not that I didn't have a general acquaintance with the history, but one tends to forget the details, and the devil, as they say, is in the details. Ibrahim supplies plenty of those. Moreover, the details are so shocking that one is inclined to think that the devil was intimately involved in the centuries-long jihad against Christendom.
Indeed, that's exactly what many Christians of those times did think. Muhammad and Islam were frequently referred to by popes and peasants alike as "demonic," "diabolic," and "satanic." For their part, Muslims had a particular hatred of Christians. They considered the Christian belief in Christ's divinity to be a great sin against Allah. Wherever Muslim armies went they desecrated and destroyed churches, broke crosses and statues, and made a particular point of violating nuns and torturing priests and monks.
In short, the violent conflicts between Muslims and Christians were primarily religious wars, not, as many modern historians suggest, wars for resources or national interests. Some historians, it seems, are less interested in past events than in finding ways to fit those events into contemporary narratives. Their primary source is their own subjective "modern" outlook. By contrast, Ibrahim, who reads both Arabic and Greek, lets the Muslim and Christian witnesses to past events speak for themselves. Thus, when speaking of the Janissaries – Christian boys who were snatched from their parents and forced to become soldiers of Islam – Ibrahim, relying on centuries-old manuscripts, recounts the horror of the abductions, the abuse of the boys, and their transformation into Islamic true believers who were then turned loose against their former kin. By contrast, according to modern academics, the indoctrination of the Janissaries was "the equivalent of sending a child away for a prestigious education and training for a lucrative career."
Despite the passage of more than a thousand years, the Muslim-Christian conflict was marked by certain constants. There is a remarkable continuity of belief and behavior – especially on the part of the Muslims.
One of the recurring themes is that of world conquest commanded by Allah. Muslims justified all of their wars and depredations during this immense stretch of history by referring to the Koran and to the words and deeds of Muhammad. Muslim leaders did not look upon their conquests as simply local affairs, but as stepping stones to subjugating the earth. Thus, two common refrains across the centuries were "we will stable our horses in Constantinople" and "we will stable our horses in Rome" – and this from warlords who may have been more than a thousand miles distant from either Rome or Constantinople. When, in 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams inquired of Tripoli's ambassador to Britain why the Barbary States preyed on American shipping, they were informed that according to the laws of their prophet, Muslims had a "right and duty" to make war on all nations that did not acknowledge their authority.
Another constant over the centuries is what Ibrahim calls the "win-win" bargain. Whether a Muslim lived or died in battle, he was guaranteed a reward either way. If he survived a raid or battle he would be rewarded with plunder, slaves, and concubines. If he died, all his sins would be forgiven by Allah, and he would be saved from the tortures of hell. In addition, he would be rewarded in paradise with food, drink, and seventy-two "eternally young" virgins (houris). Indeed, Muslim officers and preachers would circulate among the troops before battle, reassuring them of their immortal rewards should they die in battle. Many early chronicles attributed Muslim zeal and fanaticism in battle to the "win-win" incentive.
Still another constant was slavery. One modern historian observes that "the Islamic jihad looks uncomfortably like a giant slave trade." The number of the enslaved was astronomical. It was not unusual for a campaign to result in the enslavement of 100,000 people. Between 1530 and 1780, the Barbary Coast Muslims enslaved at least a million Europeans. Some three million Slavs – Poles, Lithuanians, Russians, and Ukrainians – were enslaved between 1450 and 1783. Millions more were taken captive by the Muslim conquerors of Spain. One caliph, Abd al-Rahman III, had 3,750 slaves and 6,300 concubines.
Slaving raids were also carried out in Ireland, England, Denmark, and as far away as Iceland and Scandinavia. Slaves were used for labor, as soldiers, and as concubines. White slaves were highly prized, especially blonde and red-headed girls and women. Black slaves were routinely castrated. Although few Americans are aware of the fact, the Arab and Ottoman slave trade lasted far longer than the Atlantic slave trade and resulted in the loss of many more lives.
Even America did not escape the reach of Islamic jihad. In its formative years, as Ibrahim points out, America was forced to make jizya payments – amounting to 16 percent of the federal budget – to Algeria for the release of captured American sailors. Indeed, America's first war as a nation was a war against Islam. Over a period of thirty-two years, the American navy fought an intermittent war to put an end to the Barbary States' attacks on American shipping. That is what is referred to by the "shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Corps hymn.
Sword and Scimitar puts to rest several important myths. One of these myths is that Christians were the aggressors in this long and bloody conflict. This is decidedly not the case. For example, the modern idea that "the crusades were unprovoked wars of conquest" is demonstrably false. As Ibrahim points out, the crusades were a very belated response to 400 years of Muslim conquest. Two-thirds of the Christian world had already been devoured by Muslim armies before Pope Urban II made his appeal to the knights of Christendom. Many regions which are now solidly Muslim were once Christian. All of the twenty-two nations which now comprise the "Arab world" in the Middle East and North Africa were Christian. The same is true of Turkey, whose capital, Constantinople, was once the center of Christendom.
Perhaps the major lesson of Ibrahim's timely book is that little has changed over the centuries. One of the misleading myths of our time is that al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, and other major terrorist groups have perverted the meaning of Islam. They are variously described as having "hijacked," "distorted," or "misunderstood" the true message of Islam. History says otherwise. According to Ibrahim, "this book…records a variety of Muslims across time and space behaving exactly like the Islamic State and for the same reasons." "Muslim hostility to the West," he observes, "is not an aberration but a continuation of Islamic history." Against today's wishful thinking about Islam's peaceful intentions, Sword and Scimitar documents "what Muslims have actually done to and in the West for centuries."
The historical record also reveals two perennial weaknesses of the Western response to Islam. One is disunity. There were several cases of Christians failing to come to the aid of other Christians. And there were even cases of Christians taking the side of Islam. Protestant Queen Elizabeth I formed an alliance with the Barbary pirates against Catholic Spain, and Protestant Count Tholky of Hungary actually marched with the Turks against Catholic Vienna. Likewise, some Catholic rulers had more interest in fighting other Christians than in fighting the Turks. According to one historian, King Charles V "would spend more time, money, and energy fighting the French and the Protestants than he ever devoted to the war with Suleiman." More shamefully, Louis XIV supported the Ottoman siege of Vienna with men, money, and engineers. When Jan Sobieski's victorious army inspected the field of battle, "a great many French" bodies were found alongside the Turks.
A second Western weakness was indifference. Many Western leaders took little notice of approaching threats until Muslim armies were on their doorstep. As Pope Sixtus IV warned European rulers:
Let them not think that they are protected against invasion, those who are at a distance from the theatre of war! They, too, will bow the neck beneath the yoke…unless they come forward to meet the invader.
Even though the distance between peoples as measured by days and weeks has shrunk drastically, many in the West today still maintain an attitude of indifference toward the threat from Islam. They think that the persecution of Christians in the Middle East and Africa can't happen to them. And many in America are unaware of the accelerating Islamization of Europe. They would do well to heed Pope Sixtus IV's words: "Let them not think that they are protected against invasion."
Can't happen in the here and now? As Sword and Scimitar ably demonstrates, what has happened over and over in the past is very likely to happen again.
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