rumitoid

You are almost correct. Customs and Border Protection agents used tear gas 1.3 times per month on average between 2012 and 2016, the final five years of Barack Obama's tenure as president. Or about 60xs. Figures are not available for the first few years of Obama's tenure as president, from 2009 to 2011. I found this shocking and yet another reason that I think Obama should be tried for war crimes. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-tear-gas-border-migrants/

I cannot find whether the McCarren Wharter Act clearly overides our Asylum Laws. If you have any precedents, I would appreciate it.

Seth

"Criminals will not get through the process."

That's a joke, right?

For several years' working for an employer in Reno, among my responsibilities was arresting a variety of criminals, often involving such offenses as felony theft, strongarm robbery, fraud and battery. Among those were more than a few who carried green cards who were mostly from places "south of here."

Now, I wonder how these criminals made it "through the process."

It's so revealing when, having been up to ones neck in a given reality, one reads the "expert" opinion of some clueless leftie who has never had any first hand experience with the subject on which he expounds, but purports to know anything about it.

That is the hallmark of a "progressive," like the "environmentalist" or "animal rights" activist who's never been in the woods or a loud advocate of bringing in floods of "refugees" from terrorism exporting countries without having been to any and seeing exactly what you want to invite in.

Leftism is s cancer on this country.

Gatsby

Because they are coming here to colonize, not to assimilate.

rumitoid

A variety of criminals PREVIOUSLY CONVICTED and given green cards, or presently arrested for crimes here? It is statistically provable that immigrants commit less crime than US citizens. Bad apples? They are everywhere. Our mass murders are done by American citizens. You appear to want to make the case that our screening process is bogus, a rubber stamp. You equate a compassion for immigrants, the environment, and animal rights as clueless "progressive" nonsense because they have never been "in the woods."

Seth

It's our government's job to look out for the security of Americans first, and not to gamble with that security for political gain, as leftists and other Democrats are so fond of doing.

The rest is true as well.

I recently posted in the course of a thread about my own observations, on having hiked through forests all over California, on my own observations as to why fires spread so quickly and devastating there, and was immediately condemned by armchair liberals because they know better.

It's the same across the spectrum. No matter what you say from a position of experience, an inexperienced, never been there "progressive" will always know better.

Once, speaking to a liberal who had "studied" Ukrainian history of the early 20th century, I related some things my grandfather, who had been there at the time, had told me of.

But this liberal, who knew better because she had "studied" the subject, tried to tell me my grandfather didn't know what he was talking about.

That's as good a way to sum up useful idiots and their "good intentions." If y'all would do your homework, travel a bit, you know, strive to gain first hand knowledge before trying to force something on the rest of us that we'll all be stuck in once you succeed, it would be better for everyone.

But given the nature of a "progressive," I don't see that happening any time soon, since even after disaster strikes, the lefties who caused it STILL won't admit they'd goofed.

rumitoid

What you say of progressives, they say of you.

I am not saying that your and your grandfather's personal observations are wrong, but it is possible. Have you studied the question as she was purported to do? "First hand knowledge" needs a structural and cohesive set of principles and parameters. Have you ever been wrong about a person or situation where you felt you were right? It happens all the time to me and most people. I am by no means saying that you and your grandfather were wrong: how could I? Besides having no background in the Ukraine, I have no idea about your observations nor how salient they may have been.

The nature is given to all of us to see what we want to see, progressives no less than Conservatives. It must be considered remarkable when we do not. To pursue truth for truth's sake, no matter the personal course, is the most noble enterprise. I don't always do that, though it is what I want myself to do. Trump gets too deep under my skin at times and I react instead of looking deeper. Other topics may also get that shoddy response out of an emotional connection.

What I am trying to say is that neither you nor I can weigh the truth of anything by what someone says but only by what we earnestly and diligently research with an open mind.

Seth

Unfortunately, by the nature of some of my professional pursuits, and some of my leisure activities, I tend to come into personal contact with in-your-face experience that unequivocally contradicts what pass for what "progressives" consider to be their certain knowledge.

When you've been there and done that where a given issue is concerned, and along comes a "progressive" telling you what you know to be false, based on some leftie propaganda publication no less, or CNN, take your pick, even trying to defend their position and calling you an idiot to boot, it's really, really hard to take that person seriously.

In such cases I find that what Reagan said was absolutely true:

"It's not that liberals are dumb, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Red Onion Rip Loc: Oklahoma

And, according to the McCarran-Walter Act, ANYONE who practices polygamy (i.e. Muslims) is forbidden entry based on that one fact, let alone the fact that they want to overthrow our government.

Seth

There was, if I recall, quite a bit of to-do in that regard because the Mormons, who were already Americans, practiced polygamy, and they were warned that continuing the practice would result in criminal prosecution.

Given that, it would be ludicrous to admit foreign nationals into whose very culture polygamy was embedded, as immigrants.

kankune Loc: Iowa

It's Wed. He has to hit his quota of lies so he can get paid on Friday.

rumitoid

Fine. Keep your prejudice and your own mind as arbiter of all facts.

Seth

Rumitoid, have you actually paid close attention to, maybe watched video, of the fiasco that is trying to penetrate our borders?

Or are you getting your information from these liberal hacks whose research is all being done from behind their desks?

Auntie Lulu

Thank you for the voice of reason. You are absolutely correct. These folks were offered asylum in Mexico . . . . BUT NO, they want to come to the USA, so they can get all the freebies. You and I as citizens of this country will become poorer, and have a veritable millstone hung around our necks in paying for all these "freebies" for these supposed asylum seekers. As far as I am concerned, the rate at which we return those who have no legal right to reside in this nation--the better. These individuals also bring with them the lawlessness that is pervasive in their home countries--so that becomes our problem.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

Your goose is cooked.

To another poster, Jeff Smith, who pointed out that some migrants were returning home,you wrote:

“What conspiracy site do you get this crap from?”

These are comments you made attempting to support your whole argument that these caravaners are legitimate asylum seekers.

Of course, you haven’t proven that. In typical liberal fashion, you apply double standards. You claim right-wingers fake up the news by making false accusations against the caravaners. You say that without realizing, or accepting responsibility, that you are the one falsely accusing our president of denying asylum seekers when really he is doing his job: safeguarding our country from an invasion of illegals under false pretenses.

Do a simple google search: “migrants return to honduras” you will see that even your lame stream media is reporting this: CNN, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, AP News, Reuter’s, New York Post, Miami Herald.

In fact, they’ve been reporting of returns, in the thousands, since October 20th. How many Jews do you think Hitler offered jobs to if they returned home to Germany... and they took him up on it?

https://www.cnn.com/americas/live-news/migrant-caravan-mexico-guatemala/h_a33b33c6bee21142bd38a17812002db1

Your whole basis for your original post is fake news and you can’t accept the truth.

You have been lied to that the caravaners were legitimate asylum seekers. And your hatred for our president, instilled in you by that same media who falsely accuses Trump and has trained you to do likewise, has blinded you to the truth.

So, thanks for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt my original point about you: “Boy are you an indoctrinated liberal sucker for fake news”.

Seth

I'll give you something else to think about, which would occur to someone who's been in my trade right off the bat.

A thief (crook) is a thief (crook).

Most of the criminals that emigrate from other countries and commit certain types of crimes didn't just have a light bulb come on over their heads and rush out to commit a crime.

You believe that these people are well vetted before they're given their green cards.

Most criminals, by the time they are in their late twenties, even in the worst pockets of poverty in the world, have police records with convictions in them. If they were vetting these immigration applicants properly, the applicants would have to possess enough valid documents to prove who they are and where they are from. A criminal record check should be included in the "vetting.'

It is not, obviously, done all the time, because if it was, more police records would be found and criminals would not be allowed in.

When you assume that the grade of workers found in many government departments is as alert, sharp and thorough as their equivalents in the private sector, "assume" has made an ass of "u m e."

In short, the biggest problems you have when you post about stuff are a lack of real research beyond what you want to believe and complete lack of first hand knowledge of anything at all.

You function purely on opinion without the facts needed to draw any kind of VALID opinion, and when confronted with facts, you treat them as opinions.

You seem like the kind of person who would go to a gun fight without any bullets.