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Oct 5, 2018 11:26:30   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
Oj, was found guilty in a civil suit. not another criminal case.. a 2nd criminal case can not happen due to the double jeopardy rule..

My statement was poor, the upcoming case is about the presidents pardon affecting both federal and state law.. nothing about the power of the court..

while my opposition would be firm on any judge nominated by trump or even only a conservative president, after all a conservative court gave us "citizen united" basis for the horrible condition of our politics.


My comments have been about this...

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/10/charles-schumer/trumps-supreme-court-pick-said-presidents-shouldnt/
Minnesota Law Review article
The statement by Kavanaugh stems from his 2009 article in the Minnesota Law Review about the separation of powers.

his passage by Kavanaugh:

"Even the lesser burdens of a criminal investigation — including preparing for questioning by criminal investigators — are time-consuming and distracting. Like civil suits, criminal investigations take the president’s focus away from his or her responsibilities to the people. And a president who is concerned about an ongoing criminal investigation is almost inevitably going to do a worse job as president."

Kavanaugh also wrote that the Constitution already provides a check on executive power, because an impeached president is then subject to criminal prosecution.

"In short, the Constitution establishes a clear mechanism to deter executive malfeasance; we should not burden a sitting president with civil suits, criminal investigations, or criminal prosecutions. The president’s job is difficult enough as is. And the country loses when the president’s focus is distracted by the burdens of civil litigation or criminal investigation and possible prosecution."

In a footnote, Kavanaugh wrote that the independent counsel statute, which was used by Kenneth Starr to investigate Clinton, "was a major mistake."
Oj, was found guilty in a civil suit. not another ... (show quote)


Sounds like good reasons to confirm.

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Oct 5, 2018 11:38:59   #
CarryOn
 
JFlorio wrote:
Just in; 10% upswing in Republican enthusiasm going into the midterms. Why is this important? Generally most midterms are notoriously bad elections for the people in power. We won, so we become complacent. It is the number one driving force in mid term turnout. The Republican voters, for various reasons have not been thrilled with having to go back and put a group of "milk toast" politicians back in power. The only reason they've been willing at all IMO is the Democrats are pseudo communists, unhinged lying American disparaging pigs. Still Republican enthusiasm was not high; until this public lynching of the Kavanaugh family. Just today it was announced by the New York Times that the Serial rapist Judge Kavanaugh threw ice in college at a bar. Oh the humanity. The FBI has tried to uncover evidence (the Ice) of this terrorist act but the evidence, according to Democrats mysteriously disappeared.
Just in; 10% upswing in Republican enthusiasm goin... (show quote)


Great post! The dems have shot themselves in the foot "big league." And we don't need to gather in large numbers to protest and "get in people's faces" in an attempt to intimidate, bully, and drown out anyone who dares to express an opposing opinion, which seems to be their strategy. All we have to do is get to the polls in large numbers. They'll never know what hit 'em. Just like in November 2016.

And that "ice" charge is hilarious. I was curious about that, too, because I thought Judge K liked beer .... no ice served with that in a bar ....

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Oct 5, 2018 13:52:41   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
Unmodified Man and Women.
I don't oppose a mechanism to give homosexuals the same rights as married people, however it should not be called marriage.
This was pushed forward as another way to divide the US.
How is it logical to piss off at least half of the people for a special interest group that comprises only 2% of the US population?

Morgan wrote:
How do you define marriage?

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Oct 5, 2018 14:51:36   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
old marine wrote:
I don't invest in the stock market, or other gambling games.

The only investments I invest in is expansions of my operations and people.

So far I haven't lost a dime. That is because I am a careful conservative not a stupid liberal investor.


Just how should one look at taking good care of your people.
I would hate to say that looking after the well being of others is for the most part a rather liberal out look.
Am I far wrong in thinking that a conservative might do well to have a liberal side?

That there might be some thing more important than the bottom line & profits?
That your people could actually partake in the gains from the value they add?

Wow I am impressed.

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Oct 5, 2018 17:08:12   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
permafrost wrote:
I know that I should not even comment... If Kav does not get approved today, I will not like the next candidate at all, so the whole thing is pointless for me..

Ah,,, Indian summer, you lucky dog you... We got a trace of real snow last night.. not even covered the green grass and all gone now..

But I would very much like much more of that darn Indian summer.. the last of my tomatoes are no doubt gone now.. but we sure had a fine yearly..


I just want judges to protect my Bill of Rights and stop infringing on all of us in the name of the billionaire globalist technocrats who wish for absolute power through a one world all powerful government.

Unbelievable on your show. Winter is coming to you early. Sorry about your tomatoes. Our Hanover tomatoes were phenomenal this year.

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Oct 5, 2018 17:09:30   #
JoyV
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Just how should one look at taking good care of your people.
I would hate to say that looking after the well being of others is for the most part a rather liberal out look.
Am I far wrong in thinking that a conservative might do well to have a liberal side?

That there might be some thing more important than the bottom line & profits?
That your people could actually partake in the gains from the value they add?

Wow I am impressed.


Have you ever run a business let alone owned one with employees? It is not a liberal trait to see to the well being of your employees, especially in a small business. But conservatives tend more to taking a personal interest instead of the impersonal rules which sound good paper but may do little to actually help and may actually harm. That approach treats people as so many cogs with no regard for differing needs. A small business where every employee is known to the owner often acts like a team to improve the business. If the business does well, the employees benefit. If the owner sees to their well being, they can do a better job of making the business prosper. All benefit from this circular action and reaction. When either the economy, regulations, or taxes cut into the business' operations, all suffer. Especially if the business must downsize or fold.

I am not talking theory here. Many in my family have had or do own small businesses. One of my brothers has a security business. During the Obama years he went from having 7 trucks and 30+ employees to 1 truck and a handful of employees. He tried very hard to hold on to as many employees as long as he could despite stripping himself of assets to do so. The business teetered on the edge of collapse. Since Trump has come in office, he is up to 5 trucks (and could have had more but decided that size worked best) and many of his former employees were rehired. Some had moved on or had other reasons not to come back to work for him.

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Oct 5, 2018 21:16:40   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
as the orange people always do, you are mixing quarterly figures with annual figures..

Now GDP is 4.1 This in a quarterly rate, President Obama had higher rate a number of times.

The highest GDP growth of Obama's presidency was during the third quarter of 2014, when it hit 5.2 percent.

The first reading of real growth domestic product for the fourth quarter of 2017 was published Friday by the government's Bureau of Economic Analysis, and it shows an increase of only 2.6%. For the whole year, the

increase in real GDP is 2.3%. That's better than the 1.5% growth rate in 2016, the last year of Barack Obama's second term, but only a tiny hair better than the average over Obama's full second term.
as the orange people always do, you are mixing qua... (show quote)


Well according to MY ACCOUNTANT under the Obama administration stupid rules & regulations, export permits, transportation permits. The GDP was more like 1.3%.

Starting in January 2016 stupid rules, regulations, export permits and transportation permits were removed and MY GDP increased to around 4.0%.

Now after 20 months of President Trump my bottom line after wages, social security taxes, income taxes was almost the same as 8 years of Obama's depressed economy.

That shows the difference between a Proven buisman and a community organizer.

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Oct 5, 2018 21:26:19   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
The rules and removal of rules for the housing crash were before Obama time. The crash itself was before Obama.

A simple look at the dates of collapse shows the recession can not be his fault.

The slow recovery was in part because of republican obstruction. They even refused to approve ideas which were oringinally GOP when the same thing was part of Obama plan..


The GOP plans/ideas were 8 years old and everything Obama did was unconstitutional like the requirement buy the Obama care or pay a fine.

Selling guns to the Mexican drug cartel.

Refusing to enforce laws they didn't like or agree with.

The GOP OBSTRUCTION was in the second term of Obama to stop stupid rules.

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Oct 5, 2018 21:54:18   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
FBI finished early... report is in govt hands...

I would say the early end means Kav will be approved early Friday morning..

Greater woe for our nation and our descendants..


For once I agree with you.

Just hope and pray (if you are a Christian) that the Socialites Democrats bull$hit they put Brett Kavanaugh through with the paid witnesses dosen't come back and bite them in the a$$. If a case comes before the SCOTUS.

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Oct 5, 2018 22:04:18   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
byronglimish wrote:
What do you say will be the three greatest woes?


1. Stupid Socialist Democrats.

2. Brainwashed Socialist Democrats.

3. Misled Socialest Democrats

🤔🤗😊😉😀😎

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Oct 5, 2018 22:13:31   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
old marine wrote:
1. Stupid Socialist Democrats.

2. Brainwashed Socialist Democrats.

3. Misled Socialest Democrats

🤔🤗😊😉😀😎


Don't forget

4. Criminally corrupt Socialist Democrats.
5. Morally corrupt Socialist Democrats.

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Oct 5, 2018 22:14:44   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
permafrost wrote:
Your attempted point is without any focus..

President Obama had to deal with the worst recession in 70 years, plus the obstruction of the republican party determined to undermine his adminestration even at the cost of damage to our nation..

The orange putz basks in the work done by President Obama and his administration..


The worst recession in 70 years was caused by Obama's economic collapse in his first four years.

For his second four years there was little change no matter how hard the Community organize tried. Lack of buisness experience was his biggest failure.

You don't send a boy to do a man's job.

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Oct 5, 2018 22:24:46   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
vettelover wrote:
You are doing fine Perm! I hope you and Mrs. Perm are thoroughly enjoying your new deck as autumn sets in.

Dont be sucked into the right left thing. I am now convinced more than ever after witnessing that giant shit show last week, we are being played for suckers!


More and more people are beginning to realize that.

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Oct 5, 2018 22:32:05   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
JoyV wrote:
You stated that he believes the double jeopardy rule would prevent states from prosecuting someone pardoned at the federal level, then say he would fully pardon all the people guilty of covering for trump. Your statements are problematic on multiple levels.

1) A judge (even of the Supreme Court) does not have the power to pardon someone convicted of a crime. A new ruling can be made under appeal which would change a verdict. But this is NOT a pardon. A pardon is not granted by the judicial branch but by the executive branch. It is an acknowledgement of guilt, but then forgives the guilt. While a change of verdict is done by the judicial branch and does not acknowledge and forgive guilt but instead changed a verdict from guilty to not guilty.

2) What convictions are you referring to? In fact what crime?
You stated that he believes the double jeopardy ru... (show quote)


If the SCOTUS rules a trial is in error, the courts can retry the case and it's not double jeopardy.

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Oct 5, 2018 22:59:19   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
old marine wrote:
1. Stupid Socialist Democrats.

2. Brainwashed Socialist Democrats.

3. Misled Socialest Democrats

🤔🤗😊😉😀😎


Old Marine, when it's all said and done, may the Lord have mercy on their souls...and ours too.

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