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Sep 18, 2018 13:10:27   #
EmilyD
 
Lonewolf wrote:
They should both take a lie detector test ill bet he would step down before doing that

So you would risk ruining a man's career and life with the results of a lie detector test? There's a reason those tests are not used as evidence in court - they are unreliable. The results are dependent on the person administering the test and the questions they present. Who would that administrator be? What are their political beliefs? Do they hate Trump? Like him?

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Sep 18, 2018 13:20:11   #
bahmer
 
EmilyD wrote:
So you would risk ruining a man's career and life with the results of a lie detector test? There's a reason those tests are not used as evidence in court - they are unreliable. The results are dependent on the person administering the test and the questions they present. Who would that administrator be? What are their political beliefs? Do they hate Trump? Like him?


Amen and Amen

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Sep 18, 2018 13:34:57   #
Lonewolf
 
It would be the same person for each test he has already lied to congress so a few more won't hurt him!
Why was it he immediately had a list of women who say he was a prince did he cary that around with him?

EmilyD wrote:
So you would risk ruining a man's career and life with the results of a lie detector test? There's a reason those tests are not used as evidence in court - they are unreliable. The results are dependent on the person administering the test and the questions they present. Who would that administrator be? What are their political beliefs? Do they hate Trump? Like him?

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Sep 18, 2018 13:37:16   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
The point is to delay his confirmation until after the election. Then if Democrats can take both houses then they can pull a Merrick Garland on any candidate thereafter--the reason being Trump too mentally incompetent to be allowed to pick a Supreme Court Justice.

It's called playing politics and we learned it all too well from you cons...


So you're good with destroying people's careers, and lives for your political party, eh, Pete?

Yet you always claim the high ground when it comes to decency, and rail against Trump lying.

Interesting...........

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Sep 18, 2018 13:38:45   #
bahmer
 
Lonewolf wrote:
It would be the same person for each test he has already lied to congress so a few more won't hurt him!
Why was it he immediately had a list of women who say he was a prince did he cary that around with him?


What wacky doodle TV channels do you watch anyway?

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Sep 18, 2018 13:44:14   #
woodguru
 
mwdegutis wrote:
1. Why Didn’t Feinstein Come Forward Earlier? Feinstein had every opportunity to ask Kavanaugh about the allegations. She didn’t. She didn’t even share the letter, which she had for weeks, with her Democratic colleagues. Instead, she waited until days before the vote to dump the allegations publicly, and did so without revealing the name, choosing to release this absurd statement:

"I have received information from an individual concerning the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court,” she wrote. “That individual strongly requested confidentiality, declined to come forward or press the matter further, and I have honored that decision. I have, however, referred the matter to federal investigative authorities."

Furthermore, she referred the matter to the FBI only at that point. All of this looks heavily political – in the interests of justice, she should have come forward earlier.

2. Why Isn’t The FBI Investigating? Feinstein passed along the charges to the FBI. The FBI immediately passed the charges on to the White House instead of investigating. Why? Perhaps it's because the charges are four decades old, non-specific, and impossible to verify.

3. Why Didn’t Ford Tell Anybody About This Incident Until 2012? In many cases of accused sexual assault, accusers told their friends, family, or medical workers about the accusations at the time. This at least time-stamps the accusations. That didn’t happen here: the accuser says she first told no one for three decades. That makes it questionable as to when this even happened, and difficult to track down.

4. Why Do Her Therapist’s Notes Conflict With Her Account? Ford showed her therapist’s notes to The Washington Post. Those notes conflict with her account. The notes don’t include names, instead stating that the alleged perpetrators were “from an elitist boys’ school,” and had since become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.” The notes also state that four boys were involved, not two; she says her therapist got it wrong, and that there were four boys at the party but only two boys involved. Another therapy session the following year includes the charge that Ford underwent a “rape attempt” in “her late teens,” but she was allegedly 15 – not late teens – when this incident occurred. Her husband, who was present for the first therapy session, said Kavanaugh’s name was raised, but the Post account doesn’t say that Kavanaugh was called the alleged perpetrator.

5. She Doesn’t Remember Key Details. According to the Post, she doesn’t remember key details.
She said she believes it occurred in the summer of 1982, when she was 15, around the end of her sophomore year at the all-girls Holton-Arms School in Bethesda. Kavanaugh would have been 17 at the end of his junior year at Georgetown Prep….Ford said she does not remember how the gathering came together the night of the incident. She said she often spent time in the summer at the Columbia Country Club pool in Chevy Chase, where in those pre-cellphone days, teenagers learned about gatherings via word of mouth. She also doesn’t recall who owned the house or how she got there. Ford said she remembers that it was in Montgomery County, not far from the country club, and that no parents were home at the time. Ford named two other teenagers who she said were at the party. Those individuals did not respond to messages on Sunday morning.

6. Why Aren’t Any Other Women Coming Forward? In other cases, many women come forward. In fact, it’s difficult to think of another high-profile #MeToo case without multiple accusers. In this case, it’s one woman making an unsubstantiated three-decade-old allegation – the ultimate he-said, she-said. In this case, of course, it’s actually a he-said-he-said-she-said, since there were two men accused of involvement.

You don't have to believe that Ford is lying to believe that these allegations require more substantiation. Thirty-year-old events are difficult to reconstruct; memories change over time. Witness testimony is notoriously unreliable in many cases. And she could be telling the absolute objective truth, of course.

With all of that said, it’s not out-of-bounds for Republicans to call Ford to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee – we need to know more about these allegations. It’s also not inappropriate to delay the vote on Kavanaugh until after such a hearing, or at least until Ford has turned down such an invite. Kavanaugh has already offered to come back and testify on this matter. But allegations alone, without further supporting evidence – even contemporaneous accounts, witness accounts, or corroborating details – should not destroy someone’s life. Kavanaugh deserves more, and so does the appointments process.
b 1. Why Didn’t Feinstein Come Forward Earlier? /... (show quote)


All completely irrelevant questions...

She already submitted to a lie detector test and passed that. How about if Kavenaugh goes ahead and does the same thing?

This is not going to destroy Kavenaugh's life, anyone in his life is okay with who he is and isn't going to be worried about what he did in high school. That said there are a dozen other reasons he is not fit to be on the SCOTUS. He has perjured himself and the proof is there from his last confirmation. You can't be found to have lied there and go on to be on the supreme court. Not only that he has a history that proves a long line of partisan positions not suited to the highest court in the land. His position on abortion was made clear recently in the case with the 17 year old who was raped and wanted an abortion when he was going to delay and block her from getting one.

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Sep 18, 2018 13:56:48   #
bahmer
 
woodguru wrote:
All completely irrelevant questions...

She already submitted to a lie detector test and passed that. How about if Kavenaugh goes ahead and does the same thing?

This is not going to destroy Kavenaugh's life, anyone in his life is okay with who he is and isn't going to be worried about what he did in high school. That said there are a dozen other reasons he is not fit to be on the SCOTUS. He has perjured himself and the proof is there from his last confirmation. You can't be found to have lied there and go on to be on the supreme court. Not only that he has a history that proves a long line of partisan positions not suited to the highest court in the land. His position on abortion was made clear recently in the case with the 17 year old who was raped and wanted an abortion when he was going to delay and block her from getting one.
All completely irrelevant questions... br br She ... (show quote)


I have not heard about her ever submitting to aa lie detector test at all where did you get that story from?

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Sep 18, 2018 14:03:35   #
EmilyD
 
Lonewolf wrote:
It would be the same person for each test he has already lied to congress so a few more won't hurt him!
Why was it he immediately had a list of women who say he was a prince did he cary that around with him?

Still the administrator would be skewed for or against one of them
He didn't carry around a list of women. 65 women who knew him when he was in high school wrote their own letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley and Ranking Member Dianne Feinstein backing his character.

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Sep 18, 2018 16:54:45   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Lonewolf wrote:
It would be the same person for each test he has already lied to congress so a few more won't hurt him!
Why was it he immediately had a list of women who say he was a prince did he cary that around with him?


You keep saying that he lied, but you are awfully hard to pin down when it comes to specifics of when, and what.

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Sep 18, 2018 16:55:48   #
Red Onion Rip Loc: Oklahoma
 
mwdegutis wrote:
1. Why Didn’t Feinstein Come Forward Earlier? Feinstein had every opportunity to ask Kavanaugh about the allegations. She didn’t. She didn’t even share the letter, which she had for weeks, with her Democratic colleagues. Instead, she waited until days before the vote to dump the allegations publicly, and did so without revealing the name, choosing to release this absurd statement:

"I have received information from an individual concerning the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court,” she wrote. “That individual strongly requested confidentiality, declined to come forward or press the matter further, and I have honored that decision. I have, however, referred the matter to federal investigative authorities."

Furthermore, she referred the matter to the FBI only at that point. All of this looks heavily political – in the interests of justice, she should have come forward earlier.

2. Why Isn’t The FBI Investigating? Feinstein passed along the charges to the FBI. The FBI immediately passed the charges on to the White House instead of investigating. Why? Perhaps it's because the charges are four decades old, non-specific, and impossible to verify.

3. Why Didn’t Ford Tell Anybody About This Incident Until 2012? In many cases of accused sexual assault, accusers told their friends, family, or medical workers about the accusations at the time. This at least time-stamps the accusations. That didn’t happen here: the accuser says she first told no one for three decades. That makes it questionable as to when this even happened, and difficult to track down.

4. Why Do Her Therapist’s Notes Conflict With Her Account? Ford showed her therapist’s notes to The Washington Post. Those notes conflict with her account. The notes don’t include names, instead stating that the alleged perpetrators were “from an elitist boys’ school,” and had since become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.” The notes also state that four boys were involved, not two; she says her therapist got it wrong, and that there were four boys at the party but only two boys involved. Another therapy session the following year includes the charge that Ford underwent a “rape attempt” in “her late teens,” but she was allegedly 15 – not late teens – when this incident occurred. Her husband, who was present for the first therapy session, said Kavanaugh’s name was raised, but the Post account doesn’t say that Kavanaugh was called the alleged perpetrator.

5. She Doesn’t Remember Key Details. According to the Post, she doesn’t remember key details.
She said she believes it occurred in the summer of 1982, when she was 15, around the end of her sophomore year at the all-girls Holton-Arms School in Bethesda. Kavanaugh would have been 17 at the end of his junior year at Georgetown Prep….Ford said she does not remember how the gathering came together the night of the incident. She said she often spent time in the summer at the Columbia Country Club pool in Chevy Chase, where in those pre-cellphone days, teenagers learned about gatherings via word of mouth. She also doesn’t recall who owned the house or how she got there. Ford said she remembers that it was in Montgomery County, not far from the country club, and that no parents were home at the time. Ford named two other teenagers who she said were at the party. Those individuals did not respond to messages on Sunday morning.

6. Why Aren’t Any Other Women Coming Forward? In other cases, many women come forward. In fact, it’s difficult to think of another high-profile #MeToo case without multiple accusers. In this case, it’s one woman making an unsubstantiated three-decade-old allegation – the ultimate he-said, she-said. In this case, of course, it’s actually a he-said-he-said-she-said, since there were two men accused of involvement.

You don't have to believe that Ford is lying to believe that these allegations require more substantiation. Thirty-year-old events are difficult to reconstruct; memories change over time. Witness testimony is notoriously unreliable in many cases. And she could be telling the absolute objective truth, of course.

With all of that said, it’s not out-of-bounds for Republicans to call Ford to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee – we need to know more about these allegations. It’s also not inappropriate to delay the vote on Kavanaugh until after such a hearing, or at least until Ford has turned down such an invite. Kavanaugh has already offered to come back and testify on this matter. But allegations alone, without further supporting evidence – even contemporaneous accounts, witness accounts, or corroborating details – should not destroy someone’s life. Kavanaugh deserves more, and so does the appointments process.
b 1. Why Didn’t Feinstein Come Forward Earlier? /... (show quote)



Answer to question 2. According to the DOJ it is not within the FBIs purview to investigate this type of case. They didn't investigate the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas thing because it wasn't part of their job. If it were to be investigated, it would have to be the state of Maryland where it supposedly took place since they don't have a statute of limitations on sexual assault.
Rip

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Sep 18, 2018 16:56:26   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Lonewolf wrote:
did he grab her crotch as trump does


Make him guilty Wolfee. See how U are. Are U deplorable and irredeemable? It seems to me that U are not American. It appears that U love the "guilty until proven not guilty." U are morality incorrect and unfair with your innuendos.

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Sep 18, 2018 17:07:00   #
JoyV
 
bahmer wrote:
I have not heard about her ever submitting to aa lie detector test at all where did you get that story from?


Her lawyer claims an ex FBI agent gave her a lie detector test, which the lawyer says she passed.

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Sep 18, 2018 17:07:59   #
JoyV
 
woodguru wrote:
All completely irrelevant questions...

She already submitted to a lie detector test and passed that. How about if Kavenaugh goes ahead and does the same thing?

This is not going to destroy Kavenaugh's life, anyone in his life is okay with who he is and isn't going to be worried about what he did in high school. That said there are a dozen other reasons he is not fit to be on the SCOTUS. He has perjured himself and the proof is there from his last confirmation. You can't be found to have lied there and go on to be on the supreme court. Not only that he has a history that proves a long line of partisan positions not suited to the highest court in the land. His position on abortion was made clear recently in the case with the 17 year old who was raped and wanted an abortion when he was going to delay and block her from getting one.
All completely irrelevant questions... br br She ... (show quote)


So what did he lie about?

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Sep 18, 2018 17:15:48   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Comment wrote:
Make him guilty Wolfee. See how U are. Are U deplorable and irredeemable? It seems to me that U are not American. It appears that U love the "guilty until proven not guilty." U are morality incorrect and unfair with your innuendos.

Lonewolf is a bit delusional about Trump. He repeatedly calls Trump a "crotch grabber;" when in fact what Trump actually did was to say in a private conversation many years ago that celebrities could grab a woman's crotch and get away with it. He never said that he did, and no one has accused him of doing so, except for reality challenged individuals who insist that their fantasies are real.

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Sep 19, 2018 11:30:22   #
1ProudAmerican
 
6. Why Aren’t Any Other Women Coming Forward?

The DOMONcRATS are already taking up collections if this "case" doesn't fly...they probably have enough for 4-6 more.

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