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Sep 13, 2018 03:25:15   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
straightUp wrote:
What you witnessed at the school board and city hall meetings according to your description is NOT civil disobedience... it would be better described as compliant proceedings. You DO know what "disobedience" means, right? Now, you may never have experienced a situation where compliant proceedings threaten your freedom or your life (cities and schools rarely have that power) but state and federal proceedings sometimes do and this is where non-violent civil disobedience comes into the picture. If THAT doesn't work, violent rebellion is the next step to take (if the issue is worth the chaos). It's fortunate for us that civil disobedience is part of the American tradition and is in fact the reason for almost all the civil rights we have today. In many places like China and North Korea compliant proceedings are the final stand and civil disobedience will land you in prison.

Saul Alinski's book is a primer on civil disobedience and it's a mistake to write it off as an association with any specific party or movement. Rules for Radicals is universal, much like the Art of War. In fact it was the Tea Party (the first ever conservative movement with the balls to oppose the establishment) that brought the book out of obscurity. Unfortunately for them they didn't seem to have the fortitude to use it effectively.

I would advise you to read it, instead of using it as a rhetorical prop.
What you witnessed at the school board and city ha... (show quote)


Civil disobedience is not part of the American tradition. It is the behavior of spoiled brats. Martin Luther King's non-violent resistance and marches were within our Bill of Rights to petition our government to redress our grievances. The Weathermen Underground were terrorists. And your "hero" Saul Alinsky was Al Capone's accountant and Hillary Clintons mentor. This reflects the character of a den of thieves, not civil rights advocates. Let's look at all the gold siphoned out of Fort Knox by your Progressive disobedients that funded the Bolshevik Revolution and the Rise of the 3rd Reich. Nothing but a club of state sanctioned pickpockets.

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Sep 13, 2018 06:36:05   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
straightUp wrote:
That's very commendable.

It's a tradition started by my ancestors after WW-1 and continued today. There are close to 100 ex-military buried in the family cemetery along with my ancestors which go back to 1810.

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Sep 13, 2018 06:43:25   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
straightUp wrote:
First of all, I'm not a Democrat, so your barking up the wrong tree here, but more than that... the REASON why I am not a Democrat is because I am driven by ideas not identity politics. What troubles me is how people who ARE driven by identity politics spend so much time stressing the history of political parties that they forget to pay attention to the ideas that are making or breaking the republic right now.

Same here the only "Party" I belong to is the LOYAL AMERICAN PATRIOT PARTY.

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Sep 13, 2018 06:46:37   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
". Secondly, there is no way for anyone to KNOW who else has had multiple IDs, not even the admin"

That proves my point. How could you know that!? Lol!

Gotcha!

Adm could find out simply by cross checking E-MAIL ADDRESSES. Nothing is hid with today's technology.

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Sep 13, 2018 07:00:38   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
straightUp wrote:
What you witnessed at the school board and city hall meetings according to your description is NOT civil disobedience... it would be better described as compliant proceedings. You DO know what "disobedience" means, right? Now, you may never have experienced a situation where compliant proceedings threaten your freedom or your life (cities and schools rarely have that power) but state and federal proceedings sometimes do and this is where non-violent civil disobedience comes into the picture. If THAT doesn't work, violent rebellion is the next step to take (if the issue is worth the chaos). It's fortunate for us that civil disobedience is part of the American tradition and is in fact the reason for almost all the civil rights we have today. In many places like China and North Korea compliant proceedings are the final stand and civil disobedience will land you in prison.

Saul Alinski's book is a primer on civil disobedience and it's a mistake to write it off as an association with any specific party or movement. Rules for Radicals is universal, much like the Art of War. In fact it was the Tea Party (the first ever conservative movement with the balls to oppose the establishment) that brought the book out of obscurity. Unfortunately for them they didn't seem to have the fortitude to use it effectively.

I would advise you to read it, instead of using it as a rhetorical prop.
What you witnessed at the school board and city ha... (show quote)

Just a comment on taxes to support schools.

I have long disagreed with taxing property owners to support schools. The majority of property have few or no children in school.

Most parents with school aged children do not even own property. School taxes should be collected on something most school age parents use most all the time.

All tobacco products, beer, whiskey, all alcoholic beverages and things parents buy every day. That way they are paying for their children's education.

This way even the illegal aliens will be helping pay for their children's education.
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Sep 13, 2018 07:10:48   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
straightUp wrote:
You're going to love this one then... If you value your freedom, thank a liberal.

I know this is where I piss a lot of people off, but if you're thinking we owe our freedom to soldiers, you're wrong. There is not a soldier alive today that has fought for our freedom. We owe it all to progressives, good lawyers and the idealism of our founding fathers.

If you disagree, feel free to counter but be prepared - this will not be the first time I've had this argument.

You have been drinking way too much of that swamp/sewer water koolaid. It's affected your thought system (Brain).

Without the military (all branches) there would be no America or freedoms. You would be slaves under a dictator.

Progressives and good lawyers are like leaches the live off of the blood of their victims (we the people).

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Sep 13, 2018 07:18:14   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
straightUp wrote:
Unless you're going to vote against Trump, we don't need your "help".

Socialist Democrats ARE BEYOND HELP. They are like retarded people extremely slow to lesrn.

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Sep 13, 2018 07:20:05   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Who is your "we?"

Apparently he feels he represents the retarded Socialist Democrats.

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Sep 13, 2018 07:35:49   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
nwtk2007, you write: "There is not a soldier alive today that has fought for our freedom. We owe it all to progressives, good lawyers and the idealism of our founding fathers."

The Progressives of Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Delano Roosevelt did everything in their power to advance the alliance of Kaiser Wilhelm with the Bolsheviks and Stalin with Hitler. thank God we have a Congress. And yes, there are soldiers alive today who fought bravely in the World Wars, the Korean War, the Cold War, the Vietnam War, Desert Storm and Iraq to spare us the advances of communism, fascism and despotism of madmen and a takeover of international energy reserves.

The depth of your historical ignorance is shining through tonight - or are you attributing this statement above to StrightUp?
nwtk2007, you write: "There is not a soldier ... (show quote)


What a bucket of horse manure.

Progressives and lawyers are blood suckers living off the blood of their victims.

The Germans and Russians were bitter enemies and Germany invaded Russia in an attempt to destroy them. Only a bitter winter stopped them in time for America to send desperately needed supplies to beat the Germans.

Congress fought tooth and nail to keep President Roosevelt in the dark about things.

Without the blood shed and lives lost by our military there would be no America or freedoms.

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Sep 13, 2018 08:18:18   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
straightUp wrote:
Unless you're going to vote against Trump, we don't need your "help".


You're cracking me up sU.

Here's your mindset....

Breaking news!!! Trump demands Florence reduce from 4 to a category 2. Democrats go crazy saying Trump is a sexist and should allow Florence to be anything she wants!!!!



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Sep 13, 2018 12:43:18   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
old marine wrote:
Adm could find out simply by cross checking E-MAIL ADDRESSES.

Not if the person is using multiple e-mail addresses.

old marine wrote:

Nothing is hid with today's technology.

That depends on how deep the chase goes. It's not that hard to hide things from website masters because it's typically not worth it for them to spend the effort to reveal a hidden identity. It's a different story for government agencies like the FBI and the NSA. A person would have to go much deeper into the technical options to remain elusive but it *IS* possible. The hackers are always one step ahead.

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Sep 13, 2018 13:20:17   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Civil disobedience is not part of the American tradition.

Yes, it is.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

It is the behavior of spoiled brats.

That's a matter of perspective. Civil disobedience always looks unruly to those who stand on the side of established power. I'm sure the businessmen and investors of the British East India Company thought the Son's of Liberty were being spoiled brats when they dumped private property they didn't own into the Boston Harbor. Not only was that disobedient (there were laws against destroying other people's property) it was a case of vandalism that goes beyond civil disobedience. And yet, as Americans we celebrate that event and the Son's of Liberty as heroes.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

Martin Luther King's non-violent resistance and marches were within our Bill of Rights to petition our government to redress our grievances.

MLK also advocated civil disobedience which led to many arrests during his marches. Civil disobedience *is* non-violent. Once you commit to violence or the destruction of property, you are no longer practicing civil disobedience or anything Alinsky recommends.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

The Weathermen Underground were terrorists.

Some of the activists involved with the Weather Underground were vandals, yes. But the people you are calling spoiled brats today are not committing any acts of violence or vandalism.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

And your "hero" Saul Alinsky was Al Capone's accountant and Hillary Clintons mentor. This reflects the character of a den of thieves, not civil rights advocates.

Alinsky was doing a his doctoral dissertation in the 1930s on the Al Capone mob, and decided to do it as β€œan inside job.” In any case, as I said before I am driven by ideas not associations; there is no reason why a man can't study the power structure of a mob from the inside AND have good ideas about political techniques. As for Hillary, there's nothing more "criminal" about her than any other politician. You're just a sucker for BS.

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

Let's look at all the gold siphoned out of Fort Knox by your Progressive disobedients that funded the Bolshevik Revolution and the Rise of the 3rd Reich. Nothing but a club of state sanctioned pickpockets.

Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and argue with your bounty of baseless conspiracy theories.

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Sep 13, 2018 13:28:18   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
old marine wrote:
Same here the only "Party" I belong to is the LOYAL AMERICAN PATRIOT PARTY.

I'll have to look into the American Patriot Party. I don't know THAT much about it yet.

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Sep 13, 2018 13:51:09   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
straightUp wrote:
That depends on how deep the chase goes. It's not that hard to hide things from website masters because it's typically not worth it for them to spend the effort to reveal a hidden identity. It's a different story for government agencies like the FBI and the NSA. A person would have to go much deeper into the technical options to remain elusive but it *IS* possible. The hackers are always one step ahead.

That is the point. It's not that important or worth the time find out.

The point was IT COULD BE DONE.

I have done it several times on my own trolling web site on "Go Daddy" (where you can lease a site). I even located names, addresses, city, state and telephone numbers.

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Sep 13, 2018 13:52:25   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
old marine wrote:
Just a comment on taxes to support schools.

I have long disagreed with taxing property owners to support schools. The majority of property have few or no children in school.

That's why I say I have a problem with the way property tax is leveraged. It would be better if all property tax allocated to education was pooled at the state level and distributed evenly. If that's to tall an order, then I guess income tax would be better, simply because it's already pooled at the state (and federal) level.

old marine wrote:

Most parents with school aged children do not even own property.

I guess I don't always think about that... I've been a property owner since I was 24, but you're probably right.

old marine wrote:

School taxes should be collected on something most school age parents use most all the time.

I disagree with that qualification. I think schools should be funded by everyone whether they have kids in school or not. The reason I say this is because education is an investment into a better functioning and more capable society. Even people who have never had kids still depend on younger generations for critical services, especially when they get older.

old marine wrote:

All tobacco products, beer, whiskey, all alcoholic beverages and things parents buy every day. That way they are paying for their children's education.

What about the millions of parents that don't smoke and don't drink?

old marine wrote:

This way even the illegal aliens will be helping pay for their children's education.
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Well... those that drink and smoke, I suppose.

I agree with luxury tax in general because these items are not critical for survival like food and water and medical care. So, I have no problem taxing tobacco products and booze, but there's something "off" about making schools dependent on alcoholism and addiction.

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