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Sep 2, 2018 19:31:57   #
Carol Kelly
 
Super Dave wrote:
You never miss a chance to suck-up to terrorists, do you?

The Palestinian people are suffering because they are ruled by terrorists, not because American taxpayers quit subsidising them.

What about all the whining about the deficit I hear every time Americans get a tax cut? What about all of that crying about our grandchildren paying off the debt? I guess you think terrorists getting paid is more important than tax cuts.


Democrats think all tax cuts are to benefit the very rich. They need a new drumbeat.
Illegal refugees and Muslims dead set against us are far more important than ordinary American citizens. The Palestinian people have not suffered enough yet and we certainly don’t need to help the financially or any other way,

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Sep 2, 2018 19:42:55   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Iran cancelled the order in 1979. The arms, planes, etc. were contracted and breach of contract by Iran did not absolve our government from needing to pay the contractors for the arms. (A good portion of which had already been delivered, and others which were geared to Iran's specific requirements such as the destroyers made to their specifications.) Some of the arms were able to be sold elsewhere to offset Iran's debt to us. Some money we took out of what was being held for payment by Iran. Most the taxpayers ate. After the hostage crisis, Carter froze Iran's assets. Iran demanded all funds be returned AND all weapons ordered be sent as well. Carter secretly negotiated giving in to them. They received more of the weapons. After the hostages were released, Hezbollah took hostages (for Iran) which Iran guaranteed they could get released if they were given the rest of the arms. Reagan negotiated including unfreezing much of the assets and agreed to provide the arms but was stymied by international sanctions. So the Iran/Contra affair was initiated to get them the arms in a round about fashion. Much arms were delivered, and some of the hostages were released, before the news broke of the deal. Some of the hostages were killed, some disappeared, and Hezbollah took more hostages but from European countries.

Here is the law under which the arms contract was made,
************
"The Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2762) permits
foreign governments to purchase Defense articles and services
provided that they agree to pay the full amount of all
contracts entered into on their behalf. Further, foreign
governments must agree to make funds available to meet progress
payments required by the contractor and to cover any
damages and costs arising from the cancellation of any contract
entered into for them. The law also requires that
foreign customer funds be available in advance of when such
payments, damages, and costs are due. The Department of Defense
standard contract for foreign military sales requires
foreign governments to deposit funds with the United States
90 days in advance of when such amounts are needed to make
payments. "
*************
Then Iran had the gall to claim WE owed THEM!

https://www.iranwatch.org/sites/default/files/gao-irancancelledarmssales-072579.pdf

Oh. The rest of the money in question was a personal $500 million loan made by Rockefeller to the Shah. When he died, our government froze his bank account with Chase Manhattan Bank. It still had more than half the loan money in the account.

As for the international court, who was the "we" who agreed to abide by their decision? Certainly not the American people. The law was clearly on our side per the signed contract. The international court was suppose to be unbiased, but ignored the contract, the details on what had already been deliverd, that some of the largest most expensive items were not simply things which could be put on a shelf for a future buyer, that much of the assets had been unfrozen, AND the duress in agreeing to certain demands due to hostage taking. They were political, not unbiased.
Iran cancelled the order in 1979. The arms, plane... (show quote)




You have no choice, can not help but try and justifie the lies that you and dave are championing.

Go back and read my posts on this thread, follow the links the arms deal and money is explained very well and very clear.. even a junior high kid could understand..

I also had nothing to do with a personal loan to the Shah from Rockefeller...

No such thing ever happened..

try to stay in the real world..



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Sep 2, 2018 19:55:57   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
"$12 billion in Iranian assets held on our shores"

But about $6 billion of that was for arms already delivered! The rest was in accordance with the contract Iran had signed. Iran felt they shouldn't have to abide by a contract made by Shah Pahlavi, yet that we should give them back their money AND provide the arms contracted for which had yet to be delivered.

Obama had no authority to make such a deal for the US. Someone at some point in his presidency should have given him a copy of the US Constitution to read. According to the constitution, congress must approve and vote for any deals involving taxpayers money. Congress controls the purse strings Article I, Section 9, Clause 7, and Article I, Section 8, Clause 1. So the deal Obama made was unconstitutional.

"Two years later, the Iran deal is a success. The U.S. and the rest of the P5+1 advanced the cause of nonproliferation and greatly reduced the risk of war with Iran over its nuclear program, and Iran has been and continues to be in compliance with the terms of the deal."

When Iran can not only demand a three week advance notice, AND where and IF inspectors can inspect; how can anyone know whether they are in compliance? Here is a left wing media article regarding Iran's compliance with the treaty.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/majid-rafizadeh/iran-breached-the-nuclear_b_9977768.html
"$12 billion in Iranian assets held on our sh... (show quote)




As it was not taxpayer money that is out..

As President Obama once taught the subject of constitutional law, I am sure he knew what he was doing.


According to the Congressional Research Service, different definitions for 'treaty' are used in international law and in domestic U.S. law. Under the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties "The term “treaty” has a broader meaning under international law than under domestic law. Under international law, “treaty” refers to any binding international agreement. Vienna Convention, art. 1(a). Under domestic law, “treaty” signifies only those binding international agreements that have received the advice and consent of the Senate.

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Sep 2, 2018 20:01:29   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
International cooperation does not supersede the US Constitution for Americans or America. No matter if every other nation in the world agrees to abide by something counter to our constitution, our president CANNOT agree!!!!




See one of my other posts.. i show what was used to put the agreement into practice.. International law and the UN support..

And how about, it was working until it got all orange..

One more time.. this thread is about funds for Palestinian refugees, in camp in the ME,,



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Sep 2, 2018 20:04:38   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
No, that is not what I said... stop making my post match you wishes and dreams.. they are not even close..

pay attention and stay awake..

the finding of a court... do you see it as an order, an obligation, or an agree upon solution?? Stop twisting words to try and cover you own inability to understand the obvious..

If you look back at my posts, you will see the name, the date formed, the favorable decision that we were given and the full description of event covering the money..

with even a small effort you can very easily also find the full terms of both the cash turnover and the agreement on arms.. No problem finding this information..

As a reminder, who are those that maintain the agreement was working? All the other 6 countries in the agreement, the US State Department, the CIA, the full Intelligent community of the US and most of the orange fools
advisers...
No, that is not what I said... stop making my post... (show quote)
So you're going with lie #1. An non-American court ruled that they could set American foreign policy and demanded that Obama funnel $Billions thru Iran to support terrorism. And in response Obama bent over, grabbed his ankles, and took it right up the Hershey Highway.

Well, I can't say that's any better than lie #2.

One problem with that lie is that if Obama really did think that international courts have supremacy over the Constitution and the powers the Constitution gives POTUS, then there was no reason to do it in secret. He could have informed everyone that terrorists were about to get a large cash infusion.

Oh... BTW... Did the foreign court make Obama risk American servicemen's lives by sending cash, or was that Obama's idea of "icing on the cake" for his Mullah/terrorist buddies?

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Sep 2, 2018 20:10:45   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Democrats think all tax cuts are to benefit the very rich. They need a new drumbeat.
Illegal refugees and Muslims dead set against us are far more important than ordinary American citizens. The Palestinian people have not suffered enough yet and we certainly don’t need to help the financially or any other way,




What are you trying to say?

tax.... have you prepared for when you part of the tax bill expires? What will you do at tax time? any idea at all..You will have none of the write offs you have this year..

You also will not have any of the deductions which were used for decades.. what will you do?


when will the Palistinian people have suffered enough??? and for what??

Those poeple in the refugee camps are not there because they are Muslim, or Hindi or Christian,, they are there because a war has destroyed all they had..

But never fear, by comments were not meant to say we should keep supporting the UN program or saving anyone..

I wanted to know the details of trump claim about graft in the organization.. Could very well be true..

But yet again, he ran his mouth with out any proof... but you accept his word dont you.. is that because he is such an honest man??

I have to concede I do not think he is honest.. in fact I fully believe a Porn star before i believe his story of what he had for dinner..



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Sep 2, 2018 20:32:26   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
So you're going with lie #1. An non-American court ruled that they could set American foreign policy and demanded that Obama funnel $Billions thru Iran to support terrorism. And in response Obama bent over, grabbed his ankles, and took it right up the Hershey Highway.

Well, I can't say that's any better than lie #2.

One problem with that lie is that if Obama really did think that international courts have supremacy over the Constitution and the powers the Constitution gives POTUS, then there was no reason to do it in secret. He could have informed everyone that terrorists were about to get a large cash infusion.

Oh... BTW... Did the foreign court make Obama risk American servicemen's lives by sending cash, or was that Obama's idea of "icing on the cake" for his Mullah/terrorist buddies?
So you're going with lie #1. An non-American court... (show quote)




My gosh dave, you seem so lost..

The American policy was decided when the nation in 1978 (?) agreed to have this body arbitrate the amount of money we owed Iran..

and as was clear in my post, we got a good deal in the amount of money...

You seem to think the INtl court was start up and then demanded the US obey...

No, that was not how it worked,, back in the 70s the US and Iran, maybe some others also, agreed to form the court/arbitration to settle the matter between the two nations..

If you do the math, President Obama was not in office when that was worked out..

so the outcome was very good for the US and only acceptable for Iran.. we won in the court/arbitration..

I know it is hard to work it out,, but think for a while, you will see the working mechanism..

getting late, reading time is close..
getting late, reading time is close.....

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Sep 2, 2018 21:55:14   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
My gosh dave, you seem so lost..

The American policy was decided when the nation in 1978 (?) agreed to have this body arbitrate the amount of money we owed Iran..

and as was clear in my post, we got a good deal in the amount of money...

You seem to think the INtl court was start up and then demanded the US obey...

No, that was not how it worked,, back in the 70s the US and Iran, maybe some others also, agreed to form the court/arbitration to settle the matter between the two nations..

If you do the math, President Obama was not in office when that was worked out..

so the outcome was very good for the US and only acceptable for Iran.. we won in the court/arbitration..

I know it is hard to work it out,, but think for a while, you will see the working mechanism..
My gosh dave, you seem so lost.. br br The Ameri... (show quote)
Obama risks American servicemen's lives sending $Billions in cash to fund terrorism...

And you say "We won..."

I guess you just told everyone who's side you're on.... Because America lost. The terrorists are the only people that got cash.

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Sep 3, 2018 08:49:46   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
Obama risks American servicemen's lives sending $Billions in cash to fund terrorism...

And you say "We won..."

I guess you just told everyone who's side you're on.... Because America lost. The terrorists are the only people that got cash.




do you read what other posters respond to your about?

Risk lives of servicemen.. you have tossed out this dead fish in the past..

worried the plain could crash? Or maybe the Iranians would shoot it down and scatter that cash on the people heads..

Servicemen risk their lives,, that is what they do.. that is why we got paid the big bucks..

I will watch for you explanation of the how a serviceman was at risk on any flight in the Mideast..



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Sep 3, 2018 09:50:32   #
Davelaw
 
permafrost wrote:
do you read what other posters respond to your about?

Risk lives of servicemen.. you have tossed out this dead fish in the past..

worried the plain could crash? Or maybe the Iranians would shoot it down and scatter that cash on the people heads..

Servicemen risk their lives,, that is what they do.. that is why we got paid the big bucks..

I will watch for you explanation of the how a serviceman was at risk on any flight in the Mideast..


yeah , he sank the country into $11 TRILLION more debt more than all previous presidents combined ! LOL !

No wonder with nuts like you the First Muslim jihadi president got elected twice ! LOL !

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Sep 3, 2018 10:17:02   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
perma, to post that picture of the worst deceiver ever to hold the post of President just goes to support the need for more mental institutions.
It along with your “laddie hiLIARy” may never go to jail where they belong but at least when they join jonny mcstains it will be forever.

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Sep 3, 2018 13:16:42   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
do you read what other posters respond to your about?

Risk lives of servicemen.. you have tossed out this dead fish in the past..

worried the plain could crash? Or maybe the Iranians would shoot it down and scatter that cash on the people heads..

Servicemen risk their lives,, that is what they do.. that is why we got paid the big bucks..

I will watch for you explanation of the how a serviceman was at risk on any flight in the Mideast..
Are you dumb as dirt or just pretending?

We sent an aircraft full of cash into a terrorist hotbed and told a group of corrupt terrorists that were chanting "Death to America" when & where to find them.

If you're too dense to see the danger in that you need to take a laxative and clear your mind out.

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Sep 3, 2018 13:20:41   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Davelaw wrote:
yeah , he sank the country into $11 TRILLION more debt more than all previous presidents combined ! LOL !

No wonder with nuts like you the First Muslim jihadi president got elected twice ! LOL !



Jeez,,, how many times must we point out the unfunded plan D, two wars on the crdit card, the huge tax cuts for the rich,(sound familar) oh and a world wide recession that only great leadership prevented from
becoming a recession...

If only the law had not kept him from that 3rd term... Darn it..



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Sep 3, 2018 13:22:53   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Justsss wrote:
perma, to post that picture of the worst deceiver ever to hold the post of President just goes to support the need for more mental institutions.
It along with your “laddie hiLIARy” may never go to jail where they belong but at least when they join jonny mcstains it will be forever.
perma, to post that picture of the worst deceiver ... (show quote)




What?? Don`t you like pictures of trump??

You want more mental institutions?? You have to talk to Ronnie Raygun about that.. do it ASAP..



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Sep 3, 2018 13:23:55   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Davelaw wrote:
yeah , he sank the country into $11 TRILLION more debt more than all previous presidents combined ! LOL !

No wonder with nuts like you the First Muslim jihadi president got elected twice ! LOL !


Hot damn you said a mouth ful!!!!!
And he left 20 million richer too...

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