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Aug 14, 2018 12:49:17   #
Cripple
 
Perjury argument. Listen-up, there is no such thing as a real perjury trap. I'll give you an example strong in my memory. This is not a law court-room, but in-front of an Arbitrator (I did this quite a few times with wins & loses) that uses much the same as a courtroom.

You know a witness is coming, called by the opposing advocate. You get a lot of research from credible areas. You ask the question of the witness while pulling out your credible (NOTE the word credible) research. IF that person tells the truth then all your research is not needed. IF that witness lies then you have all sorts of evidence to present to prove that particular witness has no credibility. BINGO, you get it? Expecting a person to lie then prove them wrong is the perjury trap, otherwise if the person tells the truth then you don't really have a perjury trap. In this instance with Trump you present evidence, credible evidence, that he said/did something else prior to that day, then force him to respond (the Judge will help you ensure the witness responds) asking was that prior conduct a lie? You got him. He either says he is telling the truth now and was lying then or he can say he has learned different since so he wasn't lying at the time. You have to be ready for that answer.

This lawyer stuff people are so confused about. In court don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to (the courtroom is not the place for you to learn about the case). This is why you see all of this "Deposition" stuff prior to the case being presented.
The lawyer is NOT sworn to credibility, honesty. Have you ever noticed that? Only the witness is sworn-in.
No surprises in the courtroom! If there is a surprise regarding evidence then you are a poor lawyer.
You don't win your case in cross-examination. Cross-examination is for ruining the credibility of the witness. Do lawyers have credibility? A good example is Giuliani (a lawyer for Trump). Talking outside a courtroom you can lie like anyone else can say whatever they want. In-court a lawyer had better be credible because if the Judge or jury catches the lawyer not being credible, then everything he/she presents in their case, people don't believe. You won't be hired by anyone, you loose your case not due to evidence but due to YOUR LACK of credibility. The judge will remember and hold such against you forever. A lawyer better be credible in the courtroom. Maybe he/she has no intention of ever being an advocate in any case in a courtroom in the future. I wonder how a Judge/Jury would react to a lawyer caught not being credible?
If you are NOT a lawyer and find yourself presenting a case before a Judge the Judge will help you along BUT you are expected to conduct yourself as-if you graduated from Law-School.
Lawyers have no "Ethics". Yes, there are more jokes about lawyers & the law you find in law-school than anywhere else.
Is the Supreme Court political? Come-on, get real, SCOTUS means Supreme Court of the United States, they are appointed by a political President and approved by a political Senate. Voters hold this SCOTUS appointments strongly political chatting about the political positions of those SCOTUS candidates. YES ALL THOSE ON SCOTUS ARE POLITICAL ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER!

Can we talk about a topic we don't believe in, meaning talking with someone who believes different than you. The inability to converse with someone who holds an opposing position than you do is considered stupid. Words to that effect came from Aristotle B.C. times ancient Greeks.



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Aug 14, 2018 13:55:20   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Cripple wrote:
Perjury argument. Listen-up, there is no such thing as a real perjury trap. I'll give you an example strong in my memory. This is not a law court-room, but in-front of an Arbitrator (I did this quite a few times with wins & loses) that uses much the same as a courtroom.

You know a witness is coming, called by the opposing advocate. You get a lot of research from credible areas. You ask the question of the witness while pulling out your credible (NOTE the word credible) research. IF that person tells the truth then all your research is not needed. IF that witness lies then you have all sorts of evidence to present to prove that particular witness has no credibility. BINGO, you get it? Expecting a person to lie then prove them wrong is the perjury trap, otherwise if the person tells the truth then you don't really have a perjury trap. In this instance with Trump you present evidence, credible evidence, that he said/did something else prior to that day, then force him to respond (the Judge will help you ensure the witness responds) asking was that prior conduct a lie? You got him. He either says he is telling the truth now and was lying then or he can say he has learned different since so he wasn't lying at the time. You have to be ready for that answer.

This lawyer stuff people are so confused about. In court don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to (the courtroom is not the place for you to learn about the case). This is why you see all of this "Deposition" stuff prior to the case being presented.
The lawyer is NOT sworn to credibility, honesty. Have you ever noticed that? Only the witness is sworn-in.
No surprises in the courtroom! If there is a surprise regarding evidence then you are a poor lawyer.
You don't win your case in cross-examination. Cross-examination is for ruining the credibility of the witness. Do lawyers have credibility? A good example is Giuliani (a lawyer for Trump). Talking outside a courtroom you can lie like anyone else can say whatever they want. In-court a lawyer had better be credible because if the Judge or jury catches the lawyer not being credible, then everything he/she presents in their case, people don't believe. You won't be hired by anyone, you loose your case not due to evidence but due to YOUR LACK of credibility. The judge will remember and hold such against you forever. A lawyer better be credible in the courtroom. Maybe he/she has no intention of ever being an advocate in any case in a courtroom in the future. I wonder how a Judge/Jury would react to a lawyer caught not being credible?
If you are NOT a lawyer and find yourself presenting a case before a Judge the Judge will help you along BUT you are expected to conduct yourself as-if you graduated from Law-School.
Lawyers have no "Ethics". Yes, there are more jokes about lawyers & the law you find in law-school than anywhere else.
Is the Supreme Court political? Come-on, get real, SCOTUS means Supreme Court of the United States, they are appointed by a political President and approved by a political Senate. Voters hold this SCOTUS appointments strongly political chatting about the political positions of those SCOTUS candidates. YES ALL THOSE ON SCOTUS ARE POLITICAL ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER!

Can we talk about a topic we don't believe in, meaning talking with someone who believes different than you. The inability to converse with someone who holds an opposing position than you do is considered stupid. Words to that effect came from Aristotle B.C. times ancient Greeks.
Perjury argument. Listen-up, there is no such thin... (show quote)


Some good insight.

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Aug 14, 2018 14:16:11   #
Lonewolf
 
Cripple wrote:
Perjury argument. Listen-up, there is no such thing as a real perjury trap. I'll give you an example strong in my memory. This is not a law court-room, but in-front of an Arbitrator (I did this quite a few times with wins & loses) that uses much the same as a courtroom.

You know a witness is coming, called by the opposing advocate. You get a lot of research from credible areas. You ask the question of the witness while pulling out your credible (NOTE the word credible) research. IF that person tells the truth then all your research is not needed. IF that witness lies then you have all sorts of evidence to present to prove that particular witness has no credibility. BINGO, you get it? Expecting a person to lie then prove them wrong is the perjury trap, otherwise if the person tells the truth then you don't really have a perjury trap. In this instance with Trump you present evidence, credible evidence, that he said/did something else prior to that day, then force him to respond (the Judge will help you ensure the witness responds) asking was that prior conduct a lie? You got him. He either says he is telling the truth now and was lying then or he can say he has learned different since so he wasn't lying at the time. You have to be ready for that answer.

This lawyer stuff people are so confused about. In court don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to (the courtroom is not the place for you to learn about the case). This is why you see all of this "Deposition" stuff prior to the case being presented.
The lawyer is NOT sworn to credibility, honesty. Have you ever noticed that? Only the witness is sworn-in.
No surprises in the courtroom! If there is a surprise regarding evidence then you are a poor lawyer.
You don't win your case in cross-examination. Cross-examination is for ruining the credibility of the witness. Do lawyers have credibility? A good example is Giuliani (a lawyer for Trump). Talking outside a courtroom you can lie like anyone else can say whatever they want. In-court a lawyer had better be credible because if the Judge or jury catches the lawyer not being credible, then everything he/she presents in their case, people don't believe. You won't be hired by anyone, you loose your case not due to evidence but due to YOUR LACK of credibility. The judge will remember and hold such against you forever. A lawyer better be credible in the courtroom. Maybe he/she has no intention of ever being an advocate in any case in a courtroom in the future. I wonder how a Judge/Jury would react to a lawyer caught not being credible?
If you are NOT a lawyer and find yourself presenting a case before a Judge the Judge will help you along BUT you are expected to conduct yourself as-if you graduated from Law-School.
Lawyers have no "Ethics". Yes, there are more jokes about lawyers & the law you find in law-school than anywhere else.
Is the Supreme Court political? Come-on, get real, SCOTUS means Supreme Court of the United States, they are appointed by a political President and approved by a political Senate. Voters hold this SCOTUS appointments strongly political chatting about the political positions of those SCOTUS candidates. YES ALL THOSE ON SCOTUS ARE POLITICAL ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER!

Can we talk about a topic we don't believe in, meaning talking with someone who believes different than you. The inability to converse with someone who holds an opposing position than you do is considered stupid. Words to that effect came from Aristotle B.C. times ancient Greeks.
Perjury argument. Listen-up, there is no such thin... (show quote)



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Aug 17, 2018 12:35:20   #
Cripple
 
Thank you!
Floyd Brown wrote:
Some good insight.

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Aug 17, 2018 12:35:41   #
Cripple
 
Thank you!
Lonewolf wrote:

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Aug 17, 2018 13:26:17   #
woodguru
 
Cripple wrote:

Is the Supreme Court political? Come-on, get real, SCOTUS means Supreme Court of the United States, they are appointed by a political President and approved by a political Senate. Voters hold this SCOTUS appointments strongly political chatting about the political positions of those SCOTUS candidates. YES ALL THOSE ON SCOTUS ARE POLITICAL ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER!

Can we talk about a topic we don't believe in, meaning talking with someone who believes different than you. The inability to converse with someone who holds an opposing position than you do is considered stupid. Words to that effect came from Aristotle B.C. times ancient Greeks.
br Is the Supreme Court political? Come-on, get r... (show quote)


You are incorrect using the term "all are political". Judges are rather easily scored as to their political lean, a good judge that scores to the center of the scale might hold distinctly political personal views, but they do not bring them to the bench, they hold with precedent and the law regardless of how they feel personally. Every time a judge rules to one side or the other against established legal precedents and laws, his score is going to reflect that he actively brings his or her political beliefs and bias to his decisions regardless of what the law or constitution says in the case of the supreme court.

Merrick Garland was as close to the center as can be expected, he is a republican, and he had just enough of a right lean that the left was a bit unhappy with him. That said he was infinitely better than a hard right leaning judge like Gorsuch, and an even more radically right judge like Kavanaugh. Had Garland been confirmed it could not be said that Obama put a left biased judge on the bench, that would not have been true. What a centrist judge that puts the rule of law ahead of party positions brings to the bench is a sense of fairness whether you happen to agree with decisions or not, they are done with the constitution or rule of law as a first priority. That is what the supreme court needs, is judges that can put the rule of law and constitution first.

A conservative court like we have now rarely surprises anyone that they will be taking politically conservative positions taken to a degree where they are ruling from the bench. A centrist court would never overturn Roe V Wade, that is political activism and hard biased beliefs that will go there. Upholding Roe V Wade is not a liberal position, it's the centrist one.

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Aug 24, 2018 13:13:08   #
Cripple
 
News to whoever chats or follows Paul or Cripple2001 on this site. Paul passed away last Saturday night 8/18. I doubt you will ever see me on this site ever again. The Best Man Ever!

Tears have been flowing around here and the memories abound.

We were married just before Paul got out of the Marines back from Vietnam. Huge amount of hours, many months to try to accomplish what he said “rejoin humanity” from those terrible days. My husband didn’t like officers saying he saw so many who acted like they were the enemy. The scar on his butt is almost gone, he kept the Purple Heart he called “tin” and the Silver Star that was really never awarded to him. He said he was on the boat (he liked calling ships boats just to get the Navy guys) and while he watched them push a helicopter off the side of the boat several Army guys came to him and handed him the Silver Star Paul carried with him all these years later. They said they would all be dead if it wasn’t for him. He was a real good shot with his rifle in those days.

So many people don’t have a clue what it’s like to be married to a combat Marine Veteran. How many nights I woke with him tearing the sheets and pillow case into strips claiming he was making boobie-traps. How many times he literally kicked me out of the bed with a quiet whisper the V.C. were close. So many other things he never got over. In those days what Paul had was not called PTSD in fact they had nothing to help him.

Paul often said the world is full of people who sacrifice their “Ethics” on a daily basis. He was once a Democrat and a Campaign Manager for a man locally who was elected to the Arizona Legislature. All he kept saying was if he could help U.S. society to just follow the top 3 or 5 issues they see as “Ethics” meaning no deceit, he would be happy. He use to say “Morals” but claimed he tired of all the religious discussions he got into using that word but say “Ethics” and such is a better conversation.

Paul switched and became a Republican after a big fight with Arizona Democrats on the one word deceit. He stayed a Republican years when he worked with the Steelworkers and worked at an underground mine. So many arguments he had while with the unions. He just had to be involved with the union when he was a Letter Carrier for the Post Office and became President for some 14 years. He was elected as the State Union President for 4 years, the union actually created a position for him to be elected as a Union Lobbyist to D.C. for 4 years and he was good, real good. He said so many times he liked working in the West Wing of the White House though he was the voice of conservatives with Pres. Bill Clinton he was really outspoken against Bill Clinton, didn’t like him and didn’t have to resign. He said one day we was sitting in a room in the West Wing waiting for a meeting to happen when he met eyes with the National Union President whose ego was damaged and the next election Paul would not be elected. Paul was so tired of 90+ hour weeks and flying home on weekends and soon after he went back to being a Letter Carrier on his way to work some criminal woman rear-ended him while he was at a stoplight pushing him into a real busy street. Regardless his spine was severely damaged and the rest of his life he was in a wheelchair. He warned people about insurance and crooks who make the laws certainly don’t support their constituents, you loose so much of everything after you’re disabled. I still remember many times Paul said if this is the Karma (being in a wheelchair) from the days of Vietnam he’s getting off easy. He still had nights he rolled over in bed putting his hand over my mouth whispering to me to be quiet the V.C. is here.

It was Trump that really set Paul off on his issues of Ethics and deceit. He felt so bad he supported Trump then one day Paul started researching and discovered Trump lied to everyone. Paul switched to being an Independent in his political activities that were important to him. Paul often said Aristotle (ancient Greek philosopher) said something that a person is “stupid” or “ignorant” when they cannot have a discussion with someone who saw things differently or a different opinion.

One day Paul went to a local bank sitting with his wheelchair and his favorite service dog taking pictures with his camera of all the people who violated handicap parking as-if they don’t care. Paul argued too many “sheep” in our society that believe so many lies in our political arena. He often said “Is that who you are?”

With labored breath he spoke on his death bed that he would never fall for a “Gulf of Tonkin” ever again claiming U.S. Navy boats attacked, people killed, U.S. men killed pushing the U.S. into thousands, tens of thousands of military people to Vietnam, ALL A LIE! The government said, the media didn’t do what we rely upon them to do and investigate to find the truth and over 58,000+ U.S. people died. How our priorities are so messed-up. We live in a country where we settled with at least 60,000 people a year die in auto accidents. He said “think about it” 58,000+ died in years involved in Vietnam who ripped this country apart while we ignored 60,000+ U.S. people die in auto accidents every year.

He first came up with the “sheep” argument (describing people) involving Pres. Bill Clinton people saying they don’t care about his sex-life that’s not what they want him as President. So “that’s who you are” he said so many times and hears all the same arguments today involving Trump. Paul never cheated on me our 53 years of marriage. He smiled and almost laughed with his trouble breathing Evangelicals who now have a real “Ethics” problem. They support “Adultery” by supporting Trump who was acting like a 15 year old boy with beautiful women. Paul laughed we now have a President who has less credibility than a “porn star” or “centerfold”. So much of U.S. society supporting (encouraging & rewarding) a man who falls into a lower standard than they place upon themselves. One rationalized excuse after another when it boils down to they (U.S. society) don’t practice Ethics what they say is so important to them.

Before he passed, Paul was still sad about all the “terrible things” (according to him) he did in Vietnam. He felt bad that this Trump is President (he supported) and a whole society who refuse to take the blame for voting him into political office. He said he may have failed to find someone who will carry the “Ethics” he was pushing so hard. He did say there was a man on this site who wants to push the “Ethics” banner for him after he’s gone. He never said the name but if you are reading this Paul felt fond about you.

It helps to write this down for him. Sorry it’s so long. Paul said that if you can’t say it with many words you’re just not trying hard enough (that he said as a joke). I’ll see you soon honey.


woodguru wrote:
You are incorrect using the term "all are political". Judges are rather easily scored as to their political lean, a good judge that scores to the center of the scale might hold distinctly political personal views, but they do not bring them to the bench, they hold with precedent and the law regardless of how they feel personally. Every time a judge rules to one side or the other against established legal precedents and laws, his score is going to reflect that he actively brings his or her political beliefs and bias to his decisions regardless of what the law or constitution says in the case of the supreme court.

Merrick Garland was as close to the center as can be expected, he is a republican, and he had just enough of a right lean that the left was a bit unhappy with him. That said he was infinitely better than a hard right leaning judge like Gorsuch, and an even more radically right judge like Kavanaugh. Had Garland been confirmed it could not be said that Obama put a left biased judge on the bench, that would not have been true. What a centrist judge that puts the rule of law ahead of party positions brings to the bench is a sense of fairness whether you happen to agree with decisions or not, they are done with the constitution or rule of law as a first priority. That is what the supreme court needs, is judges that can put the rule of law and constitution first.

A conservative court like we have now rarely surprises anyone that they will be taking politically conservative positions taken to a degree where they are ruling from the bench. A centrist court would never overturn Roe V Wade, that is political activism and hard biased beliefs that will go there. Upholding Roe V Wade is not a liberal position, it's the centrist one.
You are incorrect using the term "all are pol... (show quote)

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Aug 24, 2018 13:13:52   #
Cripple
 
News to whoever chats or follows Paul or Cripple2001 on this site. Paul passed away last Saturday night 8/18. I doubt you will ever see me on this site ever again. The Best Man Ever!

Tears have been flowing around here and the memories abound.

We were married just before Paul got out of the Marines back from Vietnam. Huge amount of hours, many months to try to accomplish what he said “rejoin humanity” from those terrible days. My husband didn’t like officers saying he saw so many who acted like they were the enemy. The scar on his butt is almost gone, he kept the Purple Heart he called “tin” and the Silver Star that was really never awarded to him. He said he was on the boat (he liked calling ships boats just to get the Navy guys) and while he watched them push a helicopter off the side of the boat several Army guys came to him and handed him the Silver Star Paul carried with him all these years later. They said they would all be dead if it wasn’t for him. He was a real good shot with his rifle in those days.

So many people don’t have a clue what it’s like to be married to a combat Marine Veteran. How many nights I woke with him tearing the sheets and pillow case into strips claiming he was making boobie-traps. How many times he literally kicked me out of the bed with a quiet whisper the V.C. were close. So many other things he never got over. In those days what Paul had was not called PTSD in fact they had nothing to help him.

Paul often said the world is full of people who sacrifice their “Ethics” on a daily basis. He was once a Democrat and a Campaign Manager for a man locally who was elected to the Arizona Legislature. All he kept saying was if he could help U.S. society to just follow the top 3 or 5 issues they see as “Ethics” meaning no deceit, he would be happy. He use to say “Morals” but claimed he tired of all the religious discussions he got into using that word but say “Ethics” and such is a better conversation.

Paul switched and became a Republican after a big fight with Arizona Democrats on the one word deceit. He stayed a Republican years when he worked with the Steelworkers and worked at an underground mine. So many arguments he had while with the unions. He just had to be involved with the union when he was a Letter Carrier for the Post Office and became President for some 14 years. He was elected as the State Union President for 4 years, the union actually created a position for him to be elected as a Union Lobbyist to D.C. for 4 years and he was good, real good. He said so many times he liked working in the West Wing of the White House though he was the voice of conservatives with Pres. Bill Clinton he was really outspoken against Bill Clinton, didn’t like him and didn’t have to resign. He said one day we was sitting in a room in the West Wing waiting for a meeting to happen when he met eyes with the National Union President whose ego was damaged and the next election Paul would not be elected. Paul was so tired of 90+ hour weeks and flying home on weekends and soon after he went back to being a Letter Carrier on his way to work some criminal woman rear-ended him while he was at a stoplight pushing him into a real busy street. Regardless his spine was severely damaged and the rest of his life he was in a wheelchair. He warned people about insurance and crooks who make the laws certainly don’t support their constituents, you loose so much of everything after you’re disabled. I still remember many times Paul said if this is the Karma (being in a wheelchair) from the days of Vietnam he’s getting off easy. He still had nights he rolled over in bed putting his hand over my mouth whispering to me to be quiet the V.C. is here.

It was Trump that really set Paul off on his issues of Ethics and deceit. He felt so bad he supported Trump then one day Paul started researching and discovered Trump lied to everyone. Paul switched to being an Independent in his political activities that were important to him. Paul often said Aristotle (ancient Greek philosopher) said something that a person is “stupid” or “ignorant” when they cannot have a discussion with someone who saw things differently or a different opinion.

One day Paul went to a local bank sitting with his wheelchair and his favorite service dog taking pictures with his camera of all the people who violated handicap parking as-if they don’t care. Paul argued too many “sheep” in our society that believe so many lies in our political arena. He often said “Is that who you are?”

With labored breath he spoke on his death bed that he would never fall for a “Gulf of Tonkin” ever again claiming U.S. Navy boats attacked, people killed, U.S. men killed pushing the U.S. into thousands, tens of thousands of military people to Vietnam, ALL A LIE! The government said, the media didn’t do what we rely upon them to do and investigate to find the truth and over 58,000+ U.S. people died. How our priorities are so messed-up. We live in a country where we settled with at least 60,000 people a year die in auto accidents. He said “think about it” 58,000+ died in years involved in Vietnam who ripped this country apart while we ignored 60,000+ U.S. people die in auto accidents every year.

He first came up with the “sheep” argument (describing people) involving Pres. Bill Clinton people saying they don’t care about his sex-life that’s not what they want him as President. So “that’s who you are” he said so many times and hears all the same arguments today involving Trump. Paul never cheated on me our 53 years of marriage. He smiled and almost laughed with his trouble breathing Evangelicals who now have a real “Ethics” problem. They support “Adultery” by supporting Trump who was acting like a 15 year old boy with beautiful women. Paul laughed we now have a President who has less credibility than a “porn star” or “centerfold”. So much of U.S. society supporting (encouraging & rewarding) a man who falls into a lower standard than they place upon themselves. One rationalized excuse after another when it boils down to they (U.S. society) don’t practice Ethics what they say is so important to them.

Before he passed, Paul was still sad about all the “terrible things” (according to him) he did in Vietnam. He felt bad that this Trump is President (he supported) and a whole society who refuse to take the blame for voting him into political office. He said he may have failed to find someone who will carry the “Ethics” he was pushing so hard. He did say there was a man on this site who wants to push the “Ethics” banner for him after he’s gone. He never said the name but if you are reading this Paul felt fond about you.

It helps to write this down for him. Sorry it’s so long. Paul said that if you can’t say it with many words you’re just not trying hard enough (that he said as a joke). I’ll see you soon honey.


Floyd Brown wrote:
Some good insight.

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Aug 24, 2018 13:14:50   #
Cripple
 
News to whoever chats or follows Paul or Cripple2001 on this site. Paul passed away last Saturday night 8/18. I doubt you will ever see me on this site ever again. The Best Man Ever!

Tears have been flowing around here and the memories abound.

We were married just before Paul got out of the Marines back from Vietnam. Huge amount of hours, many months to try to accomplish what he said “rejoin humanity” from those terrible days. My husband didn’t like officers saying he saw so many who acted like they were the enemy. The scar on his butt is almost gone, he kept the Purple Heart he called “tin” and the Silver Star that was really never awarded to him. He said he was on the boat (he liked calling ships boats just to get the Navy guys) and while he watched them push a helicopter off the side of the boat several Army guys came to him and handed him the Silver Star Paul carried with him all these years later. They said they would all be dead if it wasn’t for him. He was a real good shot with his rifle in those days.

So many people don’t have a clue what it’s like to be married to a combat Marine Veteran. How many nights I woke with him tearing the sheets and pillow case into strips claiming he was making boobie-traps. How many times he literally kicked me out of the bed with a quiet whisper the V.C. were close. So many other things he never got over. In those days what Paul had was not called PTSD in fact they had nothing to help him.

Paul often said the world is full of people who sacrifice their “Ethics” on a daily basis. He was once a Democrat and a Campaign Manager for a man locally who was elected to the Arizona Legislature. All he kept saying was if he could help U.S. society to just follow the top 3 or 5 issues they see as “Ethics” meaning no deceit, he would be happy. He use to say “Morals” but claimed he tired of all the religious discussions he got into using that word but say “Ethics” and such is a better conversation.

Paul switched and became a Republican after a big fight with Arizona Democrats on the one word deceit. He stayed a Republican years when he worked with the Steelworkers and worked at an underground mine. So many arguments he had while with the unions. He just had to be involved with the union when he was a Letter Carrier for the Post Office and became President for some 14 years. He was elected as the State Union President for 4 years, the union actually created a position for him to be elected as a Union Lobbyist to D.C. for 4 years and he was good, real good. He said so many times he liked working in the West Wing of the White House though he was the voice of conservatives with Pres. Bill Clinton he was really outspoken against Bill Clinton, didn’t like him and didn’t have to resign. He said one day we was sitting in a room in the West Wing waiting for a meeting to happen when he met eyes with the National Union President whose ego was damaged and the next election Paul would not be elected. Paul was so tired of 90+ hour weeks and flying home on weekends and soon after he went back to being a Letter Carrier on his way to work some criminal woman rear-ended him while he was at a stoplight pushing him into a real busy street. Regardless his spine was severely damaged and the rest of his life he was in a wheelchair. He warned people about insurance and crooks who make the laws certainly don’t support their constituents, you loose so much of everything after you’re disabled. I still remember many times Paul said if this is the Karma (being in a wheelchair) from the days of Vietnam he’s getting off easy. He still had nights he rolled over in bed putting his hand over my mouth whispering to me to be quiet the V.C. is here.

It was Trump that really set Paul off on his issues of Ethics and deceit. He felt so bad he supported Trump then one day Paul started researching and discovered Trump lied to everyone. Paul switched to being an Independent in his political activities that were important to him. Paul often said Aristotle (ancient Greek philosopher) said something that a person is “stupid” or “ignorant” when they cannot have a discussion with someone who saw things differently or a different opinion.

One day Paul went to a local bank sitting with his wheelchair and his favorite service dog taking pictures with his camera of all the people who violated handicap parking as-if they don’t care. Paul argued too many “sheep” in our society that believe so many lies in our political arena. He often said “Is that who you are?”

With labored breath he spoke on his death bed that he would never fall for a “Gulf of Tonkin” ever again claiming U.S. Navy boats attacked, people killed, U.S. men killed pushing the U.S. into thousands, tens of thousands of military people to Vietnam, ALL A LIE! The government said, the media didn’t do what we rely upon them to do and investigate to find the truth and over 58,000+ U.S. people died. How our priorities are so messed-up. We live in a country where we settled with at least 60,000 people a year die in auto accidents. He said “think about it” 58,000+ died in years involved in Vietnam who ripped this country apart while we ignored 60,000+ U.S. people die in auto accidents every year.

He first came up with the “sheep” argument (describing people) involving Pres. Bill Clinton people saying they don’t care about his sex-life that’s not what they want him as President. So “that’s who you are” he said so many times and hears all the same arguments today involving Trump. Paul never cheated on me our 53 years of marriage. He smiled and almost laughed with his trouble breathing Evangelicals who now have a real “Ethics” problem. They support “Adultery” by supporting Trump who was acting like a 15 year old boy with beautiful women. Paul laughed we now have a President who has less credibility than a “porn star” or “centerfold”. So much of U.S. society supporting (encouraging & rewarding) a man who falls into a lower standard than they place upon themselves. One rationalized excuse after another when it boils down to they (U.S. society) don’t practice Ethics what they say is so important to them.

Before he passed, Paul was still sad about all the “terrible things” (according to him) he did in Vietnam. He felt bad that this Trump is President (he supported) and a whole society who refuse to take the blame for voting him into political office. He said he may have failed to find someone who will carry the “Ethics” he was pushing so hard. He did say there was a man on this site who wants to push the “Ethics” banner for him after he’s gone. He never said the name but if you are reading this Paul felt fond about you.

It helps to write this down for him. Sorry it’s so long. Paul said that if you can’t say it with many words you’re just not trying hard enough (that he said as a joke). I’ll see you soon honey.


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Aug 24, 2018 13:15:15   #
Cripple
 
News to whoever chats or follows Paul or Cripple2001 on this site. Paul passed away last Saturday night 8/18. I doubt you will ever see me on this site ever again. The Best Man Ever!

Tears have been flowing around here and the memories abound.

We were married just before Paul got out of the Marines back from Vietnam. Huge amount of hours, many months to try to accomplish what he said “rejoin humanity” from those terrible days. My husband didn’t like officers saying he saw so many who acted like they were the enemy. The scar on his butt is almost gone, he kept the Purple Heart he called “tin” and the Silver Star that was really never awarded to him. He said he was on the boat (he liked calling ships boats just to get the Navy guys) and while he watched them push a helicopter off the side of the boat several Army guys came to him and handed him the Silver Star Paul carried with him all these years later. They said they would all be dead if it wasn’t for him. He was a real good shot with his rifle in those days.

So many people don’t have a clue what it’s like to be married to a combat Marine Veteran. How many nights I woke with him tearing the sheets and pillow case into strips claiming he was making boobie-traps. How many times he literally kicked me out of the bed with a quiet whisper the V.C. were close. So many other things he never got over. In those days what Paul had was not called PTSD in fact they had nothing to help him.

Paul often said the world is full of people who sacrifice their “Ethics” on a daily basis. He was once a Democrat and a Campaign Manager for a man locally who was elected to the Arizona Legislature. All he kept saying was if he could help U.S. society to just follow the top 3 or 5 issues they see as “Ethics” meaning no deceit, he would be happy. He use to say “Morals” but claimed he tired of all the religious discussions he got into using that word but say “Ethics” and such is a better conversation.

Paul switched and became a Republican after a big fight with Arizona Democrats on the one word deceit. He stayed a Republican years when he worked with the Steelworkers and worked at an underground mine. So many arguments he had while with the unions. He just had to be involved with the union when he was a Letter Carrier for the Post Office and became President for some 14 years. He was elected as the State Union President for 4 years, the union actually created a position for him to be elected as a Union Lobbyist to D.C. for 4 years and he was good, real good. He said so many times he liked working in the West Wing of the White House though he was the voice of conservatives with Pres. Bill Clinton he was really outspoken against Bill Clinton, didn’t like him and didn’t have to resign. He said one day we was sitting in a room in the West Wing waiting for a meeting to happen when he met eyes with the National Union President whose ego was damaged and the next election Paul would not be elected. Paul was so tired of 90+ hour weeks and flying home on weekends and soon after he went back to being a Letter Carrier on his way to work some criminal woman rear-ended him while he was at a stoplight pushing him into a real busy street. Regardless his spine was severely damaged and the rest of his life he was in a wheelchair. He warned people about insurance and crooks who make the laws certainly don’t support their constituents, you loose so much of everything after you’re disabled. I still remember many times Paul said if this is the Karma (being in a wheelchair) from the days of Vietnam he’s getting off easy. He still had nights he rolled over in bed putting his hand over my mouth whispering to me to be quiet the V.C. is here.

It was Trump that really set Paul off on his issues of Ethics and deceit. He felt so bad he supported Trump then one day Paul started researching and discovered Trump lied to everyone. Paul switched to being an Independent in his political activities that were important to him. Paul often said Aristotle (ancient Greek philosopher) said something that a person is “stupid” or “ignorant” when they cannot have a discussion with someone who saw things differently or a different opinion.

One day Paul went to a local bank sitting with his wheelchair and his favorite service dog taking pictures with his camera of all the people who violated handicap parking as-if they don’t care. Paul argued too many “sheep” in our society that believe so many lies in our political arena. He often said “Is that who you are?”

With labored breath he spoke on his death bed that he would never fall for a “Gulf of Tonkin” ever again claiming U.S. Navy boats attacked, people killed, U.S. men killed pushing the U.S. into thousands, tens of thousands of military people to Vietnam, ALL A LIE! The government said, the media didn’t do what we rely upon them to do and investigate to find the truth and over 58,000+ U.S. people died. How our priorities are so messed-up. We live in a country where we settled with at least 60,000 people a year die in auto accidents. He said “think about it” 58,000+ died in years involved in Vietnam who ripped this country apart while we ignored 60,000+ U.S. people die in auto accidents every year.

He first came up with the “sheep” argument (describing people) involving Pres. Bill Clinton people saying they don’t care about his sex-life that’s not what they want him as President. So “that’s who you are” he said so many times and hears all the same arguments today involving Trump. Paul never cheated on me our 53 years of marriage. He smiled and almost laughed with his trouble breathing Evangelicals who now have a real “Ethics” problem. They support “Adultery” by supporting Trump who was acting like a 15 year old boy with beautiful women. Paul laughed we now have a President who has less credibility than a “porn star” or “centerfold”. So much of U.S. society supporting (encouraging & rewarding) a man who falls into a lower standard than they place upon themselves. One rationalized excuse after another when it boils down to they (U.S. society) don’t practice Ethics what they say is so important to them.

Before he passed, Paul was still sad about all the “terrible things” (according to him) he did in Vietnam. He felt bad that this Trump is President (he supported) and a whole society who refuse to take the blame for voting him into political office. He said he may have failed to find someone who will carry the “Ethics” he was pushing so hard. He did say there was a man on this site who wants to push the “Ethics” banner for him after he’s gone. He never said the name but if you are reading this Paul felt fond about you.

It helps to write this down for him. Sorry it’s so long. Paul said that if you can’t say it with many words you’re just not trying hard enough (that he said as a joke). I’ll see you soon honey.


Cripple wrote:
Thank you!

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Aug 24, 2018 14:13:51   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Cripple wrote:
News to whoever chats or follows Paul or Cripple2001 on this site. Paul passed away last Saturday night 8/18. I doubt you will ever see me on this site ever again. The Best Man Ever!

Tears have been flowing around here and the memories abound.

We were married just before Paul got out of the Marines back from Vietnam. Huge amount of hours, many months to try to accomplish what he said “rejoin humanity” from those terrible days. My husband didn’t like officers saying he saw so many who acted like they were the enemy. The scar on his butt is almost gone, he kept the Purple Heart he called “tin” and the Silver Star that was really never awarded to him. He said he was on the boat (he liked calling ships boats just to get the Navy guys) and while he watched them push a helicopter off the side of the boat several Army guys came to him and handed him the Silver Star Paul carried with him all these years later. They said they would all be dead if it wasn’t for him. He was a real good shot with his rifle in those days.

So many people don’t have a clue what it’s like to be married to a combat Marine Veteran. How many nights I woke with him tearing the sheets and pillow case into strips claiming he was making boobie-traps. How many times he literally kicked me out of the bed with a quiet whisper the V.C. were close. So many other things he never got over. In those days what Paul had was not called PTSD in fact they had nothing to help him.

Paul often said the world is full of people who sacrifice their “Ethics” on a daily basis. He was once a Democrat and a Campaign Manager for a man locally who was elected to the Arizona Legislature. All he kept saying was if he could help U.S. society to just follow the top 3 or 5 issues they see as “Ethics” meaning no deceit, he would be happy. He use to say “Morals” but claimed he tired of all the religious discussions he got into using that word but say “Ethics” and such is a better conversation.

Paul switched and became a Republican after a big fight with Arizona Democrats on the one word deceit. He stayed a Republican years when he worked with the Steelworkers and worked at an underground mine. So many arguments he had while with the unions. He just had to be involved with the union when he was a Letter Carrier for the Post Office and became President for some 14 years. He was elected as the State Union President for 4 years, the union actually created a position for him to be elected as a Union Lobbyist to D.C. for 4 years and he was good, real good. He said so many times he liked working in the West Wing of the White House though he was the voice of conservatives with Pres. Bill Clinton he was really outspoken against Bill Clinton, didn’t like him and didn’t have to resign. He said one day we was sitting in a room in the West Wing waiting for a meeting to happen when he met eyes with the National Union President whose ego was damaged and the next election Paul would not be elected. Paul was so tired of 90+ hour weeks and flying home on weekends and soon after he went back to being a Letter Carrier on his way to work some criminal woman rear-ended him while he was at a stoplight pushing him into a real busy street. Regardless his spine was severely damaged and the rest of his life he was in a wheelchair. He warned people about insurance and crooks who make the laws certainly don’t support their constituents, you loose so much of everything after you’re disabled. I still remember many times Paul said if this is the Karma (being in a wheelchair) from the days of Vietnam he’s getting off easy. He still had nights he rolled over in bed putting his hand over my mouth whispering to me to be quiet the V.C. is here.

It was Trump that really set Paul off on his issues of Ethics and deceit. He felt so bad he supported Trump then one day Paul started researching and discovered Trump lied to everyone. Paul switched to being an Independent in his political activities that were important to him. Paul often said Aristotle (ancient Greek philosopher) said something that a person is “stupid” or “ignorant” when they cannot have a discussion with someone who saw things differently or a different opinion.

One day Paul went to a local bank sitting with his wheelchair and his favorite service dog taking pictures with his camera of all the people who violated handicap parking as-if they don’t care. Paul argued too many “sheep” in our society that believe so many lies in our political arena. He often said “Is that who you are?”

With labored breath he spoke on his death bed that he would never fall for a “Gulf of Tonkin” ever again claiming U.S. Navy boats attacked, people killed, U.S. men killed pushing the U.S. into thousands, tens of thousands of military people to Vietnam, ALL A LIE! The government said, the media didn’t do what we rely upon them to do and investigate to find the truth and over 58,000+ U.S. people died. How our priorities are so messed-up. We live in a country where we settled with at least 60,000 people a year die in auto accidents. He said “think about it” 58,000+ died in years involved in Vietnam who ripped this country apart while we ignored 60,000+ U.S. people die in auto accidents every year.

He first came up with the “sheep” argument (describing people) involving Pres. Bill Clinton people saying they don’t care about his sex-life that’s not what they want him as President. So “that’s who you are” he said so many times and hears all the same arguments today involving Trump. Paul never cheated on me our 53 years of marriage. He smiled and almost laughed with his trouble breathing Evangelicals who now have a real “Ethics” problem. They support “Adultery” by supporting Trump who was acting like a 15 year old boy with beautiful women. Paul laughed we now have a President who has less credibility than a “porn star” or “centerfold”. So much of U.S. society supporting (encouraging & rewarding) a man who falls into a lower standard than they place upon themselves. One rationalized excuse after another when it boils down to they (U.S. society) don’t practice Ethics what they say is so important to them.

Before he passed, Paul was still sad about all the “terrible things” (according to him) he did in Vietnam. He felt bad that this Trump is President (he supported) and a whole society who refuse to take the blame for voting him into political office. He said he may have failed to find someone who will carry the “Ethics” he was pushing so hard. He did say there was a man on this site who wants to push the “Ethics” banner for him after he’s gone. He never said the name but if you are reading this Paul felt fond about you.

It helps to write this down for him. Sorry it’s so long. Paul said that if you can’t say it with many words you’re just not trying hard enough (that he said as a joke). I’ll see you soon honey.
News to whoever chats or follows Paul or Cripple20... (show quote)


For all Paul faced in life:
To have had some one like you at his side must have been of great thank fulness.
I will miss reading what he had to say.
He had seen so much & sharing it with us was rewarding for me.
I will miss him.

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