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Aug 3, 2018 23:13:09   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
How do I explain a lie? The Right's need to maintain the violence in America on order to de-stablize the Federal government, push it toward an autocracy. Eight out of the Ten of the Most Lenient Gun Law States have the highest gun violence. Prove me wrong. Look at Louisiana and Alaska. Lenient gun laws are consistent with greater gun violence. Not more bad guys being killed by good guys just more senseless carnage and crime. Loki, find a site to support your erroneous claims. You never do, but maybe just this once.
How do I explain a lie? The Right's need to mainta... (show quote)


No gun zone's have the highest level of violence...like the city of Chicago,
look that one up sunshine...your leftist list of todays talkin points 'holds no water'

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Aug 3, 2018 23:19:16   #
rumitoid
 
Crayons wrote:
No gun zone's have the highest level of violence...like the city of Chicago,
look that one up sunshine...your leftist list of todays talkin points 'holds no water'


You are very ill-informed. A shame you make no effort to know the truth.

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Aug 3, 2018 23:57:00   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
You are very ill-informed. A shame you make no effort to know the truth.

Sounds like somethin chicago's resident terrorist billy ayers would say

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Aug 4, 2018 02:32:09   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
The National Rifle Association (NRA) has said it’s suffering from substantial financial issues that could cause the organisation to "be unable to exist".

In a recent court filing, the powerful organisation that lobbies on behalf of gun makers, owners and campaigns against almost all gun regulations, said it had lost its media insurance coverage due to an aggressive campaign brought on by New York’s Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo. The campaign encouraged companies to cut ties with the gun lobbying group. A lack of liability insurance threatens to shut down the group’s multi-million dollar media entities, including NRATV, its own streaming channel.

"The NRA's inability to obtain insurance in connection with media liability raises risks that are especially acute; if insurers remain afraid to transact with the NRA, there is a substantial risk that NRATV will be forced to cease operating," the group wrote in its complaint, filed in New York’s northern district court 20 July. ”Defendants’ concerted efforts to stifle the NRA’s freedom of speech and to retaliate against the NRA based on its viewpoints are causing other insurance, banking, and financial institutions doing business with the NRA."

The complaint goes on to allege that other companies are being forced "to rethink their mutually beneficial business relationships with the NRA for fear of monetary sanctions or expensive public investigations."

The lawsuit arrives after the NRA was forced to pay a $7m fine for selling an illegally branded NRA insurance policy. That policy refunded legal costs for NRA members who fired legal guns. New York state determined the insurance was illegal, writing the group has "unlawfully provided liability insurance to gun owners for certain acts of intentional wrongdoing".

Financial regulators in New York then cracked down on the organisation, according to the NRA’s complaint, causing other financial providers to block the group’s access to necessary services.

This isn’t the first time the group has reportedly suffered from financial concerns. A ProPublica investigation found that the NRA had overspent by $46m in 2016 — a presidential campaign year in which it had spent at least $30m to help elect Donald Trump.

The NRA has demanded the court provide an immediate injunction barring New York officials from "interfering with, terminating, or diminishing any of the NRA’s contracts and/or business relationships with any organisations."

The governor's office, which did not immediately respond to requests for comment, has previously described the NRA’s court filings as “a futile and desperate attempt to advance its dangerous agenda to sell more guns.”

"In New York, we won't be intimidated by frivolous court actions from a group of lobbyists bent on chipping away at common sense gun safety laws that many responsible gun owners actually support," Mr Cuomo wrote in a statement.

"While the NRA ignores students across the nation who are saying enough is enough, New York is leading the way with the toughest and smartest gun safety laws in the country. I am proud of my 'F' rating from the NRA, and I will continue to do everything I can to keep New Yorkers safe."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-deep-financial-trouble-may-171026640.html
The National Rifle Association (NRA) has said itâ€... (show quote)



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Aug 4, 2018 02:34:31   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
ghostgotcha wrote:
Rumotoid:

NOTICE:
I RESIGN
From even considering
___________________
YOUR CONSTANT WHINING


It's OK. There are many conservative posters on here who are much smarter than you
and even if you refuse to learn from them, they will probably continue to try their best
to teach you knowledge which you are lacking. It is done because they feel sorry for you.


I don't.

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Aug 4, 2018 03:24:49   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
How do I explain a lie? The Right's need to maintain the violence in America on order to de-stablize the Federal government, push it toward an autocracy. Eight out of the Ten of the Most Lenient Gun Law States have the highest gun violence. Prove me wrong. Look at Louisiana and Alaska. Lenient gun laws are consistent with greater gun violence. Not more bad guys being killed by good guys just more senseless carnage and crime. Loki, find a site to support your erroneous claims. You never do, but maybe just this once.
How do I explain a lie? The Right's need to mainta... (show quote)
WTF are you blubbering about? Good Lord, rumi, you're becoming psychotic. Reading your gun porn tripe, you'd think that the United States was a war zone with mass killings and slaughter on every street. In fact, the rate of murder and manslaughter excluding negligence reached an apex in 1980, according to the FBI. That year, there were 10.8 willful killings per 100,000 people. Although not a perfect measure of the overall rate of gun violence, the decline in the rate of murder and manslaughter is suggestive: Two in three homicides these days are committed with guns.

In 1993, there were seven homicides by firearm for every 100,000 Americans, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. By 2013, that figure had fallen by nearly half, to 3.6 per 100,000. The number of victims of crimes involving guns that did not result in death (such as robberies) declined even more precipitously, from 725 per 100,000 people in 1993 to 175 in 2013.

Here are eight stubborn facts to keep in mind about gun violence in America:

Violent crime is down and has been on the decline for decades.
The principal public safety concerns with respect to guns are suicides and illegally owned handguns, not mass shootings.
A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide.
Gun-related murders are carried out by a predictable pool of people.
Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime.
There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.
Legally owned firearms are used for lawful purposes much more often than they are used to commit crimes or suicide.
Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.

You have a lot of gall suggesting that decent, law abiding American gun owners are complicit or responsible for gun violence. Kilo Mike Alpha.

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Aug 4, 2018 10:31:41   #
Big dog
 
rumitoid wrote:
How do I explain a lie? The Right's need to maintain the violence in America on order to de-stablize the Federal government, push it toward an autocracy. Eight out of the Ten of the Most Lenient Gun Law States have the highest gun violence. Prove me wrong. Look at Louisiana and Alaska. Lenient gun laws are consistent with greater gun violence. Not more bad guys being killed by good guys just more senseless carnage and crime. Loki, find a site to support your erroneous claims. You never do, but maybe just this once.
How do I explain a lie? The Right's need to mainta... (show quote)


Time for me to renew my membership in the NRA, the Only organization that wants our current gun laws enforced. Unlike the liberal judges that love letting criminals go free so they can kill again.

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Aug 4, 2018 11:23:29   #
rumitoid
 
ghostgotcha wrote:
Rumotoid:

NOTICE:
I RESIGN
From even considering
___________________
YOUR CONSTANT WHINING


It's OK. There are many conservative posters on here who are much smarter than you
and even if you refuse to learn from them, they will probably continue to try their best
to teach you knowledge which you are lacking. It is done because they feel sorry for you.


How very kind.

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Aug 4, 2018 11:43:49   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
YOU SAID in your title that NRA members are OK with gun violence. I'm calling that hyperbole.

You imply this is the wild west and we don't already have reasonable gun control. I'm a felon...I can't just go buy one. Not even at a gun show.

What you want is MORE gun control.

So...how much more? Just out with it and quit being coy.


As many here know, I have commented on this issue frequently and presented what I consider fair and reasonable controls. Federally universal registration. No permit until background check complete not lasting more than thirty days; after that the purchase is legal. All gun sales to be registered, including gun shows, grandfathering, and the internet. No assault-type weapons and magazines limited to ten rounds. Felons who have successfully completed their probation and have no record of violence can buy a gun. People with a record of violence that have a restraining order cannot own a gun. Mentally ill people with a record of violence cannot own a gun. An agency well-funded and well-staffed to do background checks. Local law enforcement's easy access to lodge concerns and complaints with the Federal government, with a branch of the Federal agency specifically dedicated to investigate. Any known member of a Hate Group that has made violent threats against the government or a certain group of people cannot own a gun. There is more but I am eating breakfast.

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Aug 4, 2018 11:46:05   #
rumitoid
 
Crayons wrote:
was saying "anything the criminals can get their hands on illegally, we want legally"
a little to hard fer ya ta understand?

how bout this "if a criminal can buy a .50Barrett illegally, we want one legally 'Now'
ya understand Now


You mean like Dirty Bombs and bio-chemical weapons?

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Aug 4, 2018 11:47:38   #
rumitoid
 
Cadillac wrote:
New York State is becoming Germany 1941.


Too many Jews? Germany relaxed its Gun Laws except for Jews.

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Aug 4, 2018 11:49:19   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
He's definitely pitiful and deluded.


Ow. And here I thought you were getting over using insult as argument.

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Aug 4, 2018 11:51:34   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
Rumi would fit in just fine.


I would. What Cadillac said is empty of any inference. See History of Nazi Germany.

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Aug 4, 2018 12:21:06   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
WTF are you blubbering about? Good Lord, rumi, you're becoming psychotic. Reading your gun porn tripe, you'd think that the United States was a war zone with mass killings and slaughter on every street. In fact, the rate of murder and manslaughter excluding negligence reached an apex in 1980, according to the FBI. That year, there were 10.8 willful killings per 100,000 people. Although not a perfect measure of the overall rate of gun violence, the decline in the rate of murder and manslaughter is suggestive: Two in three homicides these days are committed with guns.

In 1993, there were seven homicides by firearm for every 100,000 Americans, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. By 2013, that figure had fallen by nearly half, to 3.6 per 100,000. The number of victims of crimes involving guns that did not result in death (such as robberies) declined even more precipitously, from 725 per 100,000 people in 1993 to 175 in 2013.

Here are eight stubborn facts to keep in mind about gun violence in America:

Violent crime is down and has been on the decline for decades.
The principal public safety concerns with respect to guns are suicides and illegally owned handguns, not mass shootings.
A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide.
Gun-related murders are carried out by a predictable pool of people.
Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime.
There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.
Legally owned firearms are used for lawful purposes much more often than they are used to commit crimes or suicide.
Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.

You have a lot of gall suggesting that decent, law abiding American gun owners are complicit or responsible for gun violence. Kilo Mike Alpha.
WTF are you blubbering about? Good Lord, rumi, you... (show quote)


Have you bothered to look up our gun violence as compared to other First World countries. Do so and be appalled, well, hopefully.

"Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime." States with the lowest rates of firearm ownership (Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, California, Florida, Illinois, and Maryland) had significantly lower rates of firearm-related assault and robbery, firearm homicide, and overall homicide.

States with the highest gun-ownership levels (Wyoming, Montana, South Dakota, Arkansas, Arizona, West Virginia, North Dakota, Idaho, Mississippi, and Alabama), meanwhile, had 6.8 times the rate of firearm assaults, 2.8 times the rate of firearm homicides, and twice the rate of overall homicides than states with the lowest gun-ownership levels. https://www.thetrace.org/2015/06/new-study-is-latest-to-find-that-higher-rates-of-gun-ownership-lead-to-higher-rates-of-violent-crime/

More guns equal more death in every city and every state? That should be easy enough to fact-check. "Within the United States, a wide array of empirical evidence indicates that more guns in a community leads to more homicide," David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, wrote in Private Guns, Public Health. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/8/9870240/gun-ownership-deaths-homicides

"Violent crime is down and has been on the decline for decades." You have proven the adage, "Statistics lie, and liars use statistics." Americans are 10 times more likely to be killed by guns than people in other developed countries, a new study finds. Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-related suicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries, researchers said. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

Saying violent crime is down in America is like changing seats on the Titanic.

"The principal public safety concerns with respect to guns are suicides and illegally owned handguns, not mass shootings." Where did you get that? I feel fairly certain that students and their parents across America are far more concerned about mass shootings.

"A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide." Lol, what? Makes no sense. Unless that "small number of factors" means being Black in a ghetto, or something like that.

"Gun-related murders are carried out by a predictable pool of people." Again, lol, what on earth does that have to do with anything. Marriages are carried out by a predictable pool of people. And....?

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Aug 4, 2018 12:23:38   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
rumitoid wrote:
As many here know, I have commented on this issue frequently and presented what I consider fair and reasonable controls. Federally universal registration. No permit until background check complete not lasting more than thirty days; after that the purchase is legal. All gun sales to be registered, including gun shows, grandfathering, and the internet. No assault-type weapons and magazines limited to ten rounds. Felons who have successfully completed their probation and have no record of violence can buy a gun. People with a record of violence that have a restraining order cannot own a gun. Mentally ill people with a record of violence cannot own a gun. An agency well-funded and well-staffed to do background checks. Local law enforcement's easy access to lodge concerns and complaints with the Federal government, with a branch of the Federal agency specifically dedicated to investigate. Any known member of a Hate Group that has made violent threats against the government or a certain group of people cannot own a gun. There is more but I am eating breakfast.
As many here know, I have commented on this issue ... (show quote)


How did you prepare your morning chickenshit?

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