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Jul 30, 2018 13:56:57   #
Richard94611
 
Nonsense. We've been through this before and you know better.

Blade_Runner wrote:
"Devastation"???

The only repeat ONLY man made global warming that is even possible is a global nuclear war. Should that happen, then you'll see some real heat and devastation.

The only repeat ONLY devastation possible due to the global warming scam is the economic consequences of wealth redistribution

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Jul 30, 2018 13:58:19   #
Richard94611
 
Blade Runner, even this is a mistatement. Religion is the biggest fraud in human history.

Blade_Runner wrote:
Make no mistake about it, global warming is the biggest scientific fraud in history.

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Jul 30, 2018 14:10:16   #
boofhead
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Permafrost, thanks for the heads up about the special issue of the New York Times Magazine. I will be sure to get and read it.

RE Blade Runner. He is a troll who enjoys irritating people. It may well be that he doesn't believe any of the nonsense he spouts, but don't think you will get a logical, informed and reasoned response from him. His favorite tactic is what I call "Argument by Inundation," in which he lists dozens of websites and articles denying climate change. He has been known to post things without reading them carefully, and then discovering that they support his adversary's side of the discussion. He has also written falsehoods a few times. He and I have been sparring for years now. I know him well. You won't get a reasoned response from him.
b Permafrost, thanks for the heads up about the s... (show quote)


I remain a skeptic. I am not convinced by you in fact I see hysteria in your posts. I have done my own research, including downloading temperatures from towns I am familiar with around the world and have not identified any increases or trends supporting increases. In addition to other parameters that are available such as sea levels and upper atmosphere readings, none of this supports your position. You can preach all you will but without facts you do not have me as a follower. I would imagine that the only way to determine if global warming is a threat, or happening outside of normal variations due to the many natural influences, would be to wait a hundred years or so and look at it again. I promise you that if, after that time, you are proved to be right, I will bow down and genuflect myself to you and admit publicly that you are a true seer and sage.

There, make you feel better?

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Jul 30, 2018 14:29:12   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
blade,

You are beyond redemption...

the world is fighting the battle without the United States.. but the republicans and the right wing orange, refuse to believe fact that are right in front of them..

Try and follow the upcoming NYT article, it should be interesting to say the least.. Don`t miss it..


This coming week, The New York Times Magazine will devote an entire publication of the Sunday magazine to the issue of climate change. The single-themed edition called "Losing Earth," will look at scientific discoveries and decisions made on climate change from 1979 to 1989 through the story of a former NASA scientist. Nathaniel Rich, who authored the edition, joins Hari Sreenivasan for more.

This coming week, The New York Times, in partnership with the Pulitzer Center, will publish “Losing Earth.” a single-themed issue of its Sunday magazine. The topic is climate change and the scientific discoveries and decisions made in the decade between 1979 and 1989. Writer-at-Large Nathaniel Rich centers his story on two men Rafe Pomerance, an environmental activist, and former NASA scientist James Hansen, one of the first to warn the world about greenhouse gases and global warming.

It was remarkably different, and in many ways, remarkably the same. By 1979, there was a strong consensus within the scientific community about the nature of the problem. The fundamental science hasn’t really evolved since then. It’s only been refined really. There was no politicization of the issue throughout the decade. A number of prominent Republicans were leading the charge to insist on a major climate policy, and industry, which we now blame for much of our paralysis, had not turned against science or truth and if anything, especially in the early part of the decade, was engaged in trying to understand the problem and determine solutions. Over the course of the decade, the issue rose to major national attention and a process for a global treaty was in hand. We failed at the end of that to sign a binding agreement.

You write at one point that the American Petroleum Institute in the late 50s and 60s, they were conducting their own research and coming to the same conclusions that the scientists were. And you also point out that even the CIA in 1974 had written a report looking at climate change basically as a national security threat or a global security threat.
blade, br br You are beyond redemption... br b... (show quote)
The New York Times???? Go figure.

Biggest Fraud In Science History

NASA Doubling Warming Since 2001

NASA has massively altered their global temperature data over the past 15 years, to double global warming.

NASA Hiding The Decline

NASA Hiding The Decline In Sea Level And Temperature

NASA Sea Level Fraud

NASA/CRU Southern Hemisphere Temperature Fraud

The Corruption Of NASA Temperature History

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Jul 30, 2018 14:46:50   #
Richard94611
 
Good. Skepticism is at least a sign of an open mind. The data is in, and there are numerous locations across the globe where record highs have been reached in the last few months. Try examining information from places you are not personally acquainted with. If you want to confuse weather with climate, fine. I'm not preaching. I am just putting out the facts that about 97% of scientists specializing in the study of climate and climate change agree with. And I am certainly NOT hunting for "followers." Any hysteria you see in my posts comes not from me, but from your own inner feelings.



boofhead wrote:
I remain a skeptic. I am not convinced by you in fact I see hysteria in your posts. I have done my own research, including downloading temperatures from towns I am familiar with around the world and have not identified any increases or trends supporting increases. In addition to other parameters that are available such as sea levels and upper atmosphere readings, none of this supports your position. You can preach all you will but without facts you do not have me as a follower. I would imagine that the only way to determine if global warming is a threat, or happening outside of normal variations due to the many natural influences, would be to wait a hundred years or so and look at it again. I promise you that if, after that time, you are proved to be right, I will bow down and genuflect myself to you and admit publicly that you are a true seer and sage.

There, make you feel better?
I remain a skeptic. I am not convinced by you in ... (show quote)

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Jul 30, 2018 14:49:01   #
Richard94611
 
Blade Runner, it isn't surprising that NASA has doubled their figures and estimates. As more research goes on, more data is uncovered, and more is known about climate change and its effects. That's how science is, dummy.



Blade_Runner wrote:
The New York Times???? Go figure. br br url=htt... (show quote)

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Jul 30, 2018 15:00:21   #
boofhead
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Good. Skepticism is at least a sign of an open mind. The data is in, and there are numerous locations across the globe where record highs have been reached in the last few months. Try examining information from places you are not personally acquainted with. If you want to confuse weather with climate, fine. I'm not preaching. I am just putting out the facts that about 97% of scientists specializing in the study of climate and climate change agree with. And I am certainly NOT hunting for "followers." Any hysteria you see in my posts comes not from me, but from your own inner feelings.
Good. Skepticism is at least a sign of an open min... (show quote)


"Good. Skepticism is at least a sign of an open mind. The data is in, and there are numerous locations across the globe where record highs have been reached in the last few months. Try examining information from places you are not personally acquainted with. If you want to confuse weather with climate, fine. I'm not preaching. I am just putting out the facts that about 97% of scientists specializing in the study of climate and climate change agree with. And I am certainly NOT hunting for "followers." Any hysteria you see in my posts comes not from me, but from your own inner feelings."

You say I confuse weather with climate yet you claim that there have been record highs in a few locations in the last few months. Who is confused?
If you say 97 percent of climate scientists agree you are not up-to-date with studies that show perhaps the opposite is true. To continue to base your case on lies or fallacies is more a sign of religious fervor than anything I have posted.
Repeating the falsehoods and rabid opinions as you do almost on a daily basis must have a reason and it is logical to assume that attracting followers is precisely what you are doing.

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Jul 30, 2018 15:10:44   #
Richard94611
 
boofhead wrote:
Good. Skepticism is at least a sign of an open mind. The data is in, and there are numerous locations across the globe where record highs have been reached in the last few months. Try examining information from places you are not personally acquainted with. If you want to confuse weather with climate, fine. I'm not preaching. I am just putting out the facts that about 97% of scientists specializing in the study of climate and climate change agree with. And I am certainly NOT hunting for "followers." Any hysteria you see in my posts comes not from me, but from your own inner feelings.

You say I confuse weather with climate yet you claim that there have been record highs in a few locations in the last few months. Who is confused?

No, boofhead, I did not say there have been record highs in a "few" locations in the last few months. There have been MANY record highs across the world in the last few months. Don't try to minimize important facts. Go do some research. There are no studies that show that 97% or even any appreciable number of scientists now claiming that climate change and global warming are not due primarily to man's activities. I am a lot more up-to-date than you evidently think.. But I am really curious about where you got information about the 97% reversal in beliefs about climate change. Let's see your source for this one ! The only religious fervor I have is that I hate to see science misrepresented.

If you say 97 percent of climate scientists agree you are not up-to-date with studies that show perhaps the opposite is true. To continue to base your case on lies or fallacies is more a sign of religious fervor than anything I have posted.
Repeating the falsehoods and rabid opinions as you do almost on a daily basis must have a reason and it is logical to assume that attracting followers is precisely what you are doing.
Good. Skepticism is at least a sign of an open min... (show quote)

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Jul 30, 2018 15:11:35   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
"Devastation"???

The only repeat ONLY man made global warming that is even possible is a global nuclear war. Should that happen, then you'll see some real heat and devastation.

The only repeat ONLY devastation possible due to the global warming scam is the economic consequences of wealth redistribution


I wonder how many of our "real believers" read your suggested source. I am certainly a denier and in reading it I had to wonder where we would be right now if Hillary had been elected to keep on with Obama's redistribution of wealth. I didn't believe in that when he spread the word but now that I see that he did want to redistribute our wealth to the rest of the world I refuse to accept it. Good article but I doubt that many, if any, of our socialist types read that article.

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Jul 30, 2018 15:14:30   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Blade Runner, even this is a mistatement. Religion is the biggest fraud in human history.
Says who?

84% of the world population are religious. One third are Christians, 25% are Muslims, 20% are Jews. These are the only monotheistic religions. 15% are Hindus and 7% are Buddhists. These are examples of polytheistic religions. There are many lesser religions, most of which are localized, dysfunctional or otherwise stagnated.

There is one religion, however, that is a particularly bizarre polytheistic faith. Its gods are ethereal, mystical and atmospheric, no one knows how many deities the faithful worship or what they actually pray for. It was founded and is expounded by false prophets and corrupt clergy, they write their own gospels on a contingency basis, the scripture is fluid and ever-changing. It builds gaseous cathedrals and airy churches. The high priests preach fire and brimstone to an extraordinarily zealous and gullible congregation. For lack of creativity and divine inspiration, this religion goes by the mundane title of Anthropogenic Global Warming Alarmism.

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Jul 30, 2018 15:26:03   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
permafrost wrote:
blade,

You are beyond redemption...

the world is fighting the battle without the United States.. but the republicans and the right wing orange, refuse to believe fact that are right in front of them..

Try and follow the upcoming NYT article, it should be interesting to say the least.. Don`t miss it..


This coming week, The New York Times Magazine will devote an entire publication of the Sunday magazine to the issue of climate change. The single-themed edition called "Losing Earth," will look at scientific discoveries and decisions made on climate change from 1979 to 1989 through the story of a former NASA scientist. Nathaniel Rich, who authored the edition, joins Hari Sreenivasan for more.

This coming week, The New York Times, in partnership with the Pulitzer Center, will publish “Losing Earth.” a single-themed issue of its Sunday magazine. The topic is climate change and the scientific discoveries and decisions made in the decade between 1979 and 1989. Writer-at-Large Nathaniel Rich centers his story on two men Rafe Pomerance, an environmental activist, and former NASA scientist James Hansen, one of the first to warn the world about greenhouse gases and global warming.

It was remarkably different, and in many ways, remarkably the same. By 1979, there was a strong consensus within the scientific community about the nature of the problem. The fundamental science hasn’t really evolved since then. It’s only been refined really. There was no politicization of the issue throughout the decade. A number of prominent Republicans were leading the charge to insist on a major climate policy, and industry, which we now blame for much of our paralysis, had not turned against science or truth and if anything, especially in the early part of the decade, was engaged in trying to understand the problem and determine solutions. Over the course of the decade, the issue rose to major national attention and a process for a global treaty was in hand. We failed at the end of that to sign a binding agreement.

You write at one point that the American Petroleum Institute in the late 50s and 60s, they were conducting their own research and coming to the same conclusions that the scientists were. And you also point out that even the CIA in 1974 had written a report looking at climate change basically as a national security threat or a global security threat.
blade, br br You are beyond redemption... br b... (show quote)


Hey, Frosty, did you manage to read the article you quoted from Blade? I am sure you didn't but in quoting the sentence that contained it make it hard to know for sure. Read that just for kicks to see what your friends are pushing us to do.

I guess I didn't mention to you that in 1977 I took a course at a college to use to keep my teaching certificate in effect and they scared the hell out of me. That was the first I had heard about the UN's promises about the coming big freeze for the world. I was really afraid of what may happening when the big freeze hit us and then the movies about it started coming out. You know, those just the opposite of Gore's about the burning up of the Earth.

Read that article so you can see what Obama was really talking about when he made all that noise about redistribution of wealth. That crap scares me more than freezing and burning.

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Jul 30, 2018 15:42:57   #
Jean Deaux
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Permafrost, thanks for the heads up about the special issue of the New York Times Magazine. I will be sure to get and read it.

RE Blade Runner. He is a troll who enjoys irritating people. It may well be that he doesn't believe any of the nonsense he spouts, but don't think you will get a logical, informed and reasoned response from him. His favorite tactic is what I call "Argument by Inundation," in which he lists dozens of websites and articles denying climate change. He has been known to post things without reading them carefully, and then discovering that they support his adversary's side of the discussion. He has also written falsehoods a few times. He and I have been sparring for years now. I know him well. You won't get a reasoned response from him.
b Permafrost, thanks for the heads up about the s... (show quote)



To the contrary, I have found Blade Runner to have some very cogent arguments on a number of topics. I don't always agree with him but in balance I think he is an excellent source.

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Jul 30, 2018 16:00:31   #
Jean Deaux
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Says who?

84% of the world population are religious. One third are Christians, 25% are Muslims, 20% are Jews. These are the only monotheistic religions. 15% are Hindus and 7% are Buddhists. These are examples of polytheistic religions. There are many lesser religions, most of which are localized, dysfunctional or otherwise stagnated.

There is one religion, however, that is a particularly bizarre polytheistic faith. Its gods are ethereal, mystical and atmospheric, no one knows how many deities the faithful worship or what they actually pray for. It was founded and is expounded by false prophets and corrupt clergy, they write their own gospels on a contingency basis, the scripture is fluid and ever-changing. It builds gaseous cathedrals and airy churches. The high priests preach fire and brimstone to an extraordinarily zealous and gullible congregation. For lack of creativity and divine inspiration, this religion goes by the mundane title of Anthropogenic Global Warming Alarmism.
Says who? br br 84% of the world population are r... (show quote)



Well said, Blade.

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Jul 30, 2018 16:03:02   #
Richard94611
 
You are wrong. Its name is Christianity.


Blade_Runner wrote:
Says who?

84% of the world population are religious. One third are Christians, 25% are Muslims, 20% are Jews. These are the only monotheistic religions. 15% are Hindus and 7% are Buddhists. These are examples of polytheistic religions. There are many lesser religions, most of which are localized, dysfunctional or otherwise stagnated.

There is one religion, however, that is a particularly bizarre polytheistic faith. Its gods are ethereal, mystical and atmospheric, no one knows how many deities the faithful worship or what they actually pray for. It was founded and is expounded by false prophets and corrupt clergy, they write their own gospels on a contingency basis, the scripture is fluid and ever-changing. It builds gaseous cathedrals and airy churches. The high priests preach fire and brimstone to an extraordinarily zealous and gullible congregation. For lack of creativity and divine inspiration, this religion goes by the mundane title of Anthropogenic Global Warming Alarmism.
Says who? br br 84% of the world population are r... (show quote)

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Jul 30, 2018 16:04:19   #
Richard94611
 
Jean, he may be an excellent source on other subjects, but I am certain, having spent literally weeks studying climate change, that he isn't an excellent source on that subject.

Jean Deaux wrote:
To the contrary, I have found Blade Runner to have some very cogent arguments on a number of topics. I don't always agree with him but in balance I think he is an excellent source.

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