Being lied to is a fact of life, not an enjoyable or enviable fact, but a fact none the less. That doesn't excuse giving up and the accepting lies as truth, or picking which lies one likes and going with it, nor does it make lying acceptable in any way. What I meant by stating that lying is a fact, is that lying is so prevalent, that truth is a rare commodity - and requires a LOT of work to uncover.

People are essentially lazy, if their ain't no app for separating the truth from the lies, they'll just pick whatever lie fits their fancy and they're done for the day. People get highly emotional when questioned about their "beliefs", because somewhere in their minds, they know they've accepted a lie as truth - and don't want to face it. What I can't figure out is; people will expend more energy and effort trying to justify believing a lie...........................than they would have had they searched for the truth in the first place.

Don’t even waste your time arguing with a Trump supporter? Where did this come from?

My neighbor and I have many interesting debates. She is an intelligent person, though I would never tell her that. I’m all in for a good debate but this screaming upset, belittling comments, all the huff-n-puff are clear signs of some stupid people (well I think so).

I’ve already been the target of the same people I use to claim allegiance. I was called “an unnecessary financial drain on U.S. society.” due to being a former U.S. Marine in Vietnam. Yes, I was given tin, close to some fine U.S. citizens die in that godforsaken country. Now V.A. meds in the mail often and condemned to a wheelchair. So I don’t even try to explain to her how horrendous it is in actual combat. Saw some awful terrible things over-there, did some awful things there myself. Still difficult to talk about it, so I don’t. Someone said to leave people like me alone and the loud army went somewhere else.

I come from a small town in Arizona, close to the southern border. I see way too many people clueless about immigration. Politicians, even in this state, who are making hay over the border to get votes. Still clueless in their rhetoric.

I’m no longer a Trump supporter due to being lied to. I researched quite deep and went back a few times because I couldn’t believe it. I refuse to believe another “Gulf of Tonkin” (too many don’t know what I’m talking about, shame).

I don’t think we want a U.S. civil war over politics. The problem is how do WE get the truth? I remember Nixon and I do know now, Trump is “the man” now so “find” this “Deep State” and expose it. I hear talk but really don’t see anything but hype. Is there “Anyone” who thinks our Government would tell us if they knew a huge Meteor was coming? How about any other disaster? Why is the press not allowed in FEMA camps? How am I ever going to find out what’s going on there? We don’t have freedom now and that’s a big problem. So keep your “facial recognition” computer software until I find it. My loyalty is to the truth as an absolute!

"witless" & "son of witless", Thanks for bringing a smile to my face! I guess I have the same sense of humor calling myself "cripple".

No, I did not support Trump when he was part of the field, I liked Ben Carson. Then Trump won the Repb. primary I started to pay attention to him not putting much weight to the "birther" stuff. Trump announced Obama was (& has been) a U.S. citizen. That started me to think. I went ahead and voted for him but remember I live in Arizona, I could have stayed home without making any difference. I'm just not the type to stay home on voting day. If my vote counts or not I still vote.

I actually researched the easy one, the size of the crowd on his January installation. He lied the video was too easy to find. I started to research a bit deeper. I tell you it is difficult to establish credibility of whoever writes. I really stay away from the "Bob's Blog" type, a person's blog where they rant. I want to see footnotes when I research and writings today just don't do that often, rare in-fact. I do believe in this Russia compliance thing. I still don't know the difference between "fabricated" evidence and factual evidence, (Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) so I look at DECEIT and there is so much out there using Deceit. Mostly, I see "Lies of Omission" where I call them "entertainment" rather than "fake news".

So to answer your question honestly, my doubt started the day Trump made his installation speech. That is the day I stopped supporting Trump.
Remember when he said the I.G. report complete exonerates him? So I read the whole I.G. report and no such conclusion exists in that document. Want a copy? I can and will easily attach. Please keep in-mind that I had a program that allowed me to make marks on the report then one day I couldn't make any notations. You'll see the notes I was making not part of the document.

I also was not a Trump supporter in the primaries. Ted Cruz was my guy, but I realized that he was not going to win, mostly because he lacks that pretty boy face. Not that Trump is an Adonis, but looks matter. It really is part beauty contest. If you could transplant Ted's brain into Rick Perry's skull, you'd have an unstoppable candidate, but I digress.

To me this whole thing is the big picture or in other words, what are the alternatives ? Trump is President. He is doing a lot of good things. Do you really really want the alternative ? On one hand you have Trump with all of his blemishes, and on the other hand you have the Democrats. There is no third choice.

I saw the total arrogance of the Democrats when they ruled the known universe under the Great and Powerful Wizard of Odd, Barak the Obama. A return to that is too horrible to think about.

So since you have abandoned Donald Trump, what is your Plan B ?

I do understand what you are referring to. I changed my political party registration (was easier than I thought) to Independent. I did some checking and national voter rolls show there are more registered Independents than Dems & Repbs combined, WOW, something I didn't know. Now I'm courted more than before. There has to be better alternatives than not to vote for Trump automatically gets you the Democrat. At this time I don't have an answer other than I don't like what our country has turned into considering politics. It's difficult but so far reading only shows it impossible for a 3rd party to gain the electoral college vote since there are only the 2 parties represented. So I keep reading, maybe there will be an answer somewhere.

I hate to break the news to you, but in America not voting for Trump, even if you don't vote at all is a vote for Democrats. I do not mean to jump all over you, but I've seen this movie too many times before. I go back to 1992. I am still royally pissed thinking about it. By then Republicans had the White House for 12 years and unfortunately even Republican voters were ready for a change. Everybody was mad at Daddy Bush for breaking his no new taxes pledge. Yea I got it, , , BUT why do we always cut off our nose to spite our faces ? Every freaking time.

So everyone was angry at Bush. On the other side you had this hip young trombone player from Arkansas Bill Clinton, who had a philandering reputation. Then out of the blue came this little hand grenade thrower named Ross Perot. Even I liked him, but as a third party candidate he was never going to be President. I told all of my Perot cheering friends not to vote for him, but nobody listened. So in a three way race we got Bill Clinton, , , , , for 8 freakin years. Yea guys, you sure showed them Republicans, didn't you ?

And this does not just apply to Republicans. In 2000 enough environmentalist wackos thought Al Gore was not quite green wacky enough and voted for Ralph Nader. That was probably enough to throw it to Bush the Second. Back to my central point, which ever side you are on, it never pays to not vote or to vote third party. As much as we love to hate the two parties, abandoning them does not work.

Don’t even waste your time arguing with a Trump supporter? Where did this come from?

My neighbor and I have many interesting debates. She is an intelligent person, though I would never tell her that. I’m all in for a good debate but this screaming upset, belittling comments, all the huff-n-puff are clear signs of some stupid people (well I think so).

I’ve already been the target of the same people I use to claim allegiance. I was called “an unnecessary financial drain on U.S. society.” due to being a former U.S. Marine in Vietnam. Yes, I was given tin, close to some fine U.S. citizens die in that godforsaken country. Now V.A. meds in the mail often and condemned to a wheelchair. So I don’t even try to explain to her how horrendous it is in actual combat. Saw some awful terrible things over-there, did some awful things there myself. Still difficult to talk about it, so I don’t. Someone said to leave people like me alone and the loud army went somewhere else.

I come from a small town in Arizona, close to the southern border. I see way too many people clueless about immigration. Politicians, even in this state, who are making hay over the border to get votes. Still clueless in their rhetoric.

I’m no longer a Trump supporter due to being lied to. I researched quite deep and went back a few times because I couldn’t believe it. I refuse to believe another “Gulf of Tonkin” (too many don’t know what I’m talking about, shame).

I don’t think we want a U.S. civil war over politics. The problem is how do WE get the truth? I remember Nixon and I do know now, Trump is “the man” now so “find” this “Deep State” and expose it. I hear talk but really don’t see anything but hype. Is there “Anyone” who thinks our Government would tell us if they knew a huge Meteor was coming? How about any other disaster? Why is the press not allowed in FEMA camps? How am I ever going to find out what’s going on there? We don’t have freedom now and that’s a big problem. So keep your “facial recognition” computer software until I find it. My loyalty is to the truth as an absolute!

I do understand what you are referring to. I changed my political party registration (was easier than I thought) to Independent. I did some checking and national voter rolls show there are more registered Independents than Dems & Repbs combined, WOW, something I didn't know. Now I'm courted more than before. There has to be better alternatives than not to vote for Trump automatically gets you the Democrat. At this time I don't have an answer other than I don't like what our country has turned into considering politics. It's difficult but so far reading only shows it impossible for a 3rd party to gain the electoral college vote since there are only the 2 parties represented. So I keep reading, maybe there will be an answer somewhere.

I hate to break the news to you, but in America not voting for Trump, even if you don't vote at all is a vote for Democrats. I do not mean to jump all over you, but I've seen this movie too many times before. I go back to 1992. I am still royally pissed thinking about it. By then Republicans had the White House for 12 years and unfortunately even Republican voters were ready for a change. Everybody was mad at Daddy Bush for breaking his no new taxes pledge. Yea I got it, , , BUT why do we always cut off our nose to spite our faces ? Every freaking time.

So everyone was angry at Bush. On the other side you had this hip young trombone player from Arkansas Bill Clinton, who had a philandering reputation. Then out of the blue came this little hand grenade thrower named Ross Perot. Even I liked him, but as a third party candidate he was never going to be President. I told all of my Perot cheering friends not to vote for him, but nobody listened. So in a three way race we got Bill Clinton, , , , , for 8 freakin years. Yea guys, you sure showed them Republicans, didn't you ?

And this does not just apply to Republicans. In 2000 enough environmentalist wackos thought Al Gore was not quite green wacky enough and voted for Ralph Nader. That was probably enough to throw it to Bush the Second. Back to my central point, which ever side you are on, it never pays to not vote or to vote third party. As much as we love to hate the two parties, abandoning them does not work.